Do we have a CBA strife thread yet?

[tsawchuk]

i will be shocked if we see hockey played on time. both the owners and players can go fuck themselves. all a bunch of greedy bastards.

I can somewhat agree with this. I've always said.....ego drive millionaires (some) arguing with ego maniac (all) billionaires.

It's hard to garner sympathy IMHO

 

[davnlaguna]

NHL states desire to settle CBA talks by Sept. 15 - NHL.com - News

"I'm focused on making a deal," Commissioner Bettman said after a collective bargaining session with executives, legal counsel and players from the NHLPA that lasted a bit longer than two hours. "I'm not even exploring right now what we might or might not do on Sept. 15. That's not something we're focused on. We're focused on getting a deal done before the current Collective Bargaining Agreement expires."

translation: if no deal by Sept 15 expect a lockout

The law doesn't require that the industry shut down if you don't have an agreement," Fehr said. "Somebody has to choose to shut it down. At the moment I see no reason to do that on the players' side. Hopefully they won't either."

No way a deal gets done. We want to continue under the current deal and will stall as long as possible to force a lockout and make the League the bad guys.

 

[mattola]

Wyatt Arndt ‏@TheStanchion
"We're poor. Well, rich man poor. Look, you guys just wouldn't understand it. Your poor poor." - NHL owners right now

 

[mattola]

im loving twitter today

Jason Brough ‏@JasonPHT
Enjoy how Burke has essentially turned the Leafs into a small-market franchise with his unwillingness to front load deals.

 

[DChero]

im loving twitter today

Jason Brough ‏@JasonPHT
Enjoy how Burke has essentially turned the Leafs into a small-market franchise with his unwillingness to front load deals.

Just trade the roster for the Phoenix roster (with coaching staff). What would they care?

 

[puckhead]

 

[dash]

A long read, but in my opinion, well worth the time...

NHL labour dispute: A player's perspective

 

[dash]

Excellent article from James Mirtle...

Why NHL teams cry poor despite the league?s record growth - The Globe and Mail

 

[awaz]

gotta think the preds matching the weber contract is another swift kick to the go-nads of the owners argument

wild $200 mil
predators $100 mil
canes $60 mil
devils $100 mil

all small market teams, all shelling out big numbers.

but i still believe the owners are losing money. absolutely.

 

[puckhead]

pretty good read: The Atlanta Solution : Tom Benjamin's NHL Blog :: CanucksCorner.com

 

[higgyfan4]

pretty good read: The Atlanta Solution : Tom Benjamin's NHL Blog :: CanucksCorner.com

Thne team that generated the least amount of ticket revenue in 2011 was Atlanta and we know how that problem was solved. The next five teams – the Islanders, Phoenix, Tampa, Florida and Nashville totalled $94 MM in 2011. Worse, those five teams are down 20% since 2008. The gap is not getting smaller. It is getting bigger. The players can’t (and should not be asked to) solve that problem. The rich owners can’t (and should not be asked to) solve it either. Florida has to fix the Panther problem and Phoenix has to do something about the Coyotes.

If they can’t find enough people willing to pay big money to watch hockey? Too bad. The Atlanta solution works.

Amen!

 

[dash]

The players can’t (and should not be asked to) solve that problem. The rich owners can’t (and should not be asked to) solve it either. Florida has to fix the Panther problem and Phoenix has to do something about the Coyotes.

I agree with the player's bit, but somewhat disagree with the bit regarding the owners. The disparity between large and small market teams will continue to grow as long as you have a economic model that determines the salary cap (and floor) based on a percentage of league revenues. I'm not an economics guy by any stretch of the imagination, but there are currently several teams in the league that are struggling to meet the cap floor and unless some serious changes are made in the next CBA (mainly better revenue sharing), teams will have to relocate or fold (we are running out of places in North America to relocate NHL hockey teams).

 

[dash]

Oh man, David Shoalts agrees with me (this can't be good)

Is revenue sharing the NHL's only answer to avoiding lockout? - The Globe and Mail

 

[dash]

Oh boy, here we go...Donald Fehr's first salvo back at Bettman:

“We had a discussion (Tuesday) about how the players react to the proposals that would modify the terms under which players negotiate individual contracts,” Fehr said. “Things like 10-year unrestricted free agency, elimination of salary arbitration, limitation of contract length and so on. We talked about that for a while, and it will come as no surprise that the players are not enamored with those kinds of limitations.”

At this point, all the players have is dissatisfaction with the league’s initial proposal, with the only basis for comparison being the current system—one that clearly has worked for a union that is willing to continue to play under it, but not for a management side that does seem to be getting somewhat agitated by the fact as the calendar flips to August, with the CBA’s expiration set for Sept. 15, there is no ETA for the NHLPA’s CBA. It is a bitter alphabet soup.

and the reply from Herr Bettman:

“For the last seven years, they’ve been getting financial information on a regular basis, subject to verification through the agreed-upon procedures under the collective bargaining agreement,” Bettman said. “In addition, we made a substantial financial data dump five months ago, and they had, I think, auditors go in to do some procedures with at least half of the clubs over the last year. So, the union has, for quite some time, had substantial financial information. They have given us, recently, some additional financial information and other information requests, most of which we don’t understand the relevance to, but which we have been producing. Last night, we gave them the first installment, which was 76,000 pages of information, pursuant to their request.”

NHL labor talks: League gives NHLPA 76,000 pages of financial documents - NHL - Sporting News

 

[dash]

Here's a link to a video with Fehr and Bettman discussing CBA related things:

Bettman, Fehr Update CBA Negotiations 7/31 Video - NHL VideoCenter

 

[mattola]

NHL pitches new revenue sharing; "ample time" for deal

 

[dash]

Commissioner Gary Bettman made the NHL’s intent very clear, saying the league plans to lock the players out if a new collective bargaining agreement cannot be reached by September 15, when the current CBA is set to expire.

Bettman said this stance was re-iterated to the NHLPA during Thursday’s bargaining session.

“I re-confirmed something that the union has been told multiple times over the last 9 to 12 months. Namely, that the time is getting short and the owners are not prepared to operate under this collective bargaining agreement for another season so we need to get to making a deal and doing it soon. And we believe there’s ample time for the parties to get together and make a deal and that’s what we’re going to be working towards,” Bettman said outside of league offices in midtown Manhattan.

The two sides, which have been engaged in labor talks for six weeks, have five weeks to broker a new deal and a significant divide on a number of issues.

“Our efforts are going to be devoted to making a deal but as I said, the owners are not going to operate under the economics of this collective bargaining agreement,” Bettman said.

You mean the same economics that have produced record revenues for the NHL since returning from the last lockout, Gary?!? Man, you really are a piece of work.

 

[DChero]

In before the lock?

 

[dash]

In before the lock?

With today's salvo by Bettman, I think the chances of hockey in October are slim and none (and slim just left town).

 

[KennyBanyeah]

With today's salvo by Bettman, I think the chances of hockey in October are slim and none (and slim just left town).

Soon to be three work stoppages under his "stewardship" and this guy just got a raise? Does he even like watching hockey? I can state with certainty that this prissy little shit never actually played the game.

FIRE BETTMAN....








OUT OF A GODDAM CANNON!!

/I'd settle for a catapult