Do we have a CBA strife thread yet?

[mattola]

all the media I have been reading and watching have nothing but negative feelings on this meeting today that nothing will get done.

well that does it for me. the first game will be Dec 31st

 

[dash]

all the media I have been reading and watching have nothing but negative feelings on this meeting today that nothing will get done.

well that does it for me. the first game will be Dec 31st

Tuxedo night in Winnipeg with the Habs as the visiting team?!?

 

[dash]

From Jason Kay - Editor in Chief of The Hockey News:

Hearing owners reverted to $211M make whole offer as today's starting point (plus $50M for pension). Curious.

 

[mattola]

From Jason Kay - Editor in Chief of The Hockey News:

Hearing owners reverted to $211M make whole offer as today's starting point (plus $50M for pension). Curious.

reverted? does that mean they went BACK or forward from the last meeting?

 

[mooger_35]

Wasn't it $300 million last time

 

[dash]

reverted? does that mean they went BACK or forward from the last meeting?

If memory serves, $211 million was the original make whole offer, but then the league upped it to $300 million last week. All of a sudden, the pension plan became a huge issue for players, but the league wasn't interested in funding any additional money into the plan. It looks like they may have gone back to the original make whole offer, but in exchange they're willing to pump some cash into the player's pension plan.

 

[davnlaguna]

From Jason Kay - Editor in Chief of The Hockey News:

Hearing owners reverted to $211M make whole offer as today's starting point (plus $50M for pension). Curious.

Well they took the old offer off the table.
If the PA wants the 39 mil more just agree to the contract issues

Heck the 10 year CBA works in the players favor
The 5% year to year lowers escrow
And the 5 year deals while is to protect the owners from making long term mistakes only acfew players fall into that catagory

 

[mattola]

If memory serves, $211 million was the original make whole offer, but then the league upped it to $300 million last week. All of a sudden, the pension plan became a huge issue for players, but the league wasn't interested in funding any additional money into the plan. It looks like they may have gone back to the original make whole offer, but in exchange they're willing to pump some cash into the player's pension plan.

so take $89M off the table add $50M and save $39M

 

[dash]

so take $89M off the table add $50M and save $39M

Gary Bettman, he's quite the underwear gnome.

 

[IPostedWhat]

Meh, not my best work...

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Why can't the owners just offer them the 300m, then add 50m to the pension & get a damn DEAL DONE??

AAARRRGGGHHH!!

 

[davnlaguna]

Why can't the owners just offer them the 300m, then add 50m to the pension & get a damn DEAL DONE??

AAARRRGGGHHH!!

I think they would if the players give them the contract issues.
The media is focusing on the money becuase that is easy, but the real issue is the contract stuff. The league wants to close loopholes so the teams dont do crazy stuff. By limiting deals to 5 years with 5% variance it keeps the creative GMs from making a joke of the CBA.

 

[puckhead]

European hockey teams bracing for NHL lockout to end within next week, according to agent | Puck Daddy - Yahoo! Sports

fuck off, optimism

 

[dash]

I think they would if the players give them the contract issues.
The media is focusing on the money becuase that is easy, but the real issue is the contract stuff. The league wants to close loopholes so the teams dont do crazy stuff. By limiting deals to 5 years with 5% variance it keeps the creative GMs from making a joke of the CBA.

So let's say a guy signs a 5 year deal starting at 5 million per season. If the 5% variance is applied year-to-year, the contract would look as follows:

Year 1 - 5,000,000
Year 2 - 4,750,000
Year 3 - 4,512,500
Year 4 - 4,286,875
Year 5 - 4,072,531

Would it be really so terrible to add a couple more years if it gets a CBA deal done?

 

[mooger_35]

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper
#CBA meeting over. No progress. #NHL remains firm on "take it or leave it" last offer to #NHLPA.

 

[mattola]

European hockey teams bracing for NHL lockout to end within next week, according to agent | Puck Daddy - Yahoo! Sports

fuck off, optimism

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper
#CBA meeting over. No progress. #NHL remains firm on "take it or leave it" last offer to #NHLPA.

hahahah. anyone finding the media really bush this time around. twitter really is making us dumber

 

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Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper
#CBA meeting over. No progress. #NHL remains firm on "take it or leave it" last offer to #NHLPA.

Sounds like mediation was just as successful this go-around.

 

[mattola]

Jonathan Willis ‏@JonathanWillis
An offer supposedly "off the table." MT @RealKyper: #CBA meeting over. #NHL remains firm on "take it or leave it" last offer to #NHLPA.

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC
Doesn't seem like much traction was made here...waiting to see where this goes from here.

 

[dash]

Option A: Fehr decides to keep delaying for a couple more weeks to squeeze a few more dollars out of the league.

Option B: Players go over Fehr and call for a membership vote on whether or not to accept the league's latest offer.

Option C: IPW lifts 100 lbs. over his head

 

[mattola]

they were in the same area for 6 1/2 hours today. not once were they in the same room. WTF are they doing?