Difference in QB eras

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Doesn't matter what I think, my opinion doesn't compute in your eyes. I've got that figured out about you over the last several weeks.

It;s not about opinins and never has been, that is what you aren't getting. I showed you the best site on the internet that shows the diffeence n athletic performances ove the decades, you just shit on it. Dude, the sport doesn't matter, we are all evoliving. I;m 6-2 my son is 6-4. My dad was 6 foot, and so it goes.

If you have to be told that the athletes in the NFL are bigger stronger and faster today than 80 years ago, you need to forget talking sports.

I simply deal, I talked about Pete talking to Carson after reading how he wasn;t cominhg back and running backs and.....well it went down just like I said it would. What was yor take?

I have a ton of experience at this stuff and for some reason that bugs you.
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I'm not bugged at all but it does bug the shit out of you when someone challenges your opinion with a different opinion.
My take on Carson was still spot on. Like I said I would love to have him back on a 1yr prove it deal or a cheap contact and I'm fine with it considering his injury history. I didn't want an over pay cause RBs can be had in the draft but go ahead and thump that chest ego boy.
You having experience or not I honestly couldn't care.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Doesn't take a link to know athetes are bigger/faster/stronger today than they were 80 years ago, try.....common sense.

You don't even remember my point, you just keep going around in circles.

 

[RaZon]

It;s not about opinins and never has been, that is what you aren't getting. I showed you the best site on the internet that shows the diffeence n athletic performances ove the decades, you just shit on it. Dude, the sport doesn't matter, we are all evoliving. I;m 6-2 my son is 6-4. My dad was 6 foot, and so it goes.

If you have to be told that the athletes in the NFL are bigger stronger and faster today than 80 years ago, you need to forget talking sports.

I simply deal, I talked about Pete talking to Carson after reading how he wasn;t cominhg back and running backs and.....well it went down just like I said it would. What was yor take?

I have a ton of experience at this stuff and for some reason that bugs you.

I'm not bugged at all but it does bug the shit out of you when someone challenges your opinion with a different opinion.
My take on Carson was still spot on. Like I said I would love to have him back on a 1yr prove it deal or a cheap contact and I'm fine with it considering his injury history. I didn't want an over pay cause RBs can be had in the draft but go ahead and thump that chest ego boy.
You having experience or not I honestly couldn't care.
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Dude, I want others to have a different opinion that is the fun in this, thrust me.....yep RaZon you got it.......boringgggg!!!!!!! So you are wrong about that. The fun I have is proving what experience can do for ya, and it;s fun.

Been into this stuff since the late 50's, so who here has seen more football than myself? Who can talk Elbert "Golden Wheels' Dubenion, Pervis Atkins, Gloster Richardson, Nolan "Super Gnat" Smith?

Have fun with this stuff, hell....pick up a few things.

 

[RaZon]

You don't even remember my point, you just keep going around in circles.

Not no really, if you think smaller, weaker, slower athletes are putting these guys today on the bench, nope!

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I'm not bugged at all but it does bug the shit out of you when someone challenges your opinion with a different opinion.
My take on Carson was still spot on. Like I said I would love to have him back on a 1yr prove it deal or a cheap contact and I'm fine with it considering his injury history. I didn't want an over pay cause RBs can be had in the draft but go ahead and thump that chest ego boy.
You having experience or not I honestly couldn't care.

Dude, I want others to have a different opinion that is the fun in this, thrust me.....yep RaZon you got it.......boringgggg!!!!!!! So you are wrong about that. The fun I have is proving what experience can do for ya, and it;s fun.

Been into this stuff since the late 50's, so who here has seen more football than myself? Who can talk Elbert "Golden Wheels' Dubenion, Pervis Atkins, Gloster Richardson, Nolan "Super Gnat" Smith?

Have fun with this stuff, hell....pick up a few things.
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Having fun and having a condescending attitude are two totally different things and you fall on the latter side. Maybe you should get that ego checked at the door cause trying to chest thump about Chris Carson makes you look petty since I knew what it would take to bring him back to the team.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Not no really, if you think smaller, weaker, slower athletes are putting these guys today on the bench, nope!

We'll just have to agree to disagree

 

[RaZon]

Let make this clear, everyboby born in the 20;s, 30.s etc would be biggr,

Dude, I want others to have a different opinion that is the fun in this, thrust me.....yep RaZon you got it.......boringgggg!!!!!!! So you are wrong about that. The fun I have is proving what experience can do for ya, and it;s fun.

Been into this stuff since the late 50's, so who here has seen more football than myself? Who can talk Elbert "Golden Wheels' Dubenion, Pervis Atkins, Gloster Richardson, Nolan "Super Gnat" Smith?

Have fun with this stuff, hell....pick up a few things.

Having fun and having a condescending attitude are two totally different things and you fall on the latter side. Maybe you should get that ego checked at the door cause trying to chest thump about Chris Carson makes you look petty since I knew what it would take to bring him back to the team.
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Well since you weren't going to......good call on Carson, yep, you were right......hey!!!!

Stop battling it dude, old cat here seen a TON of football, ok? Embrace it man, learn something.

 

[RaZon]

We'll just have to agree to disagree

So you really think athletes from the 30's can compete with these guys today. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me show ya something.


1 Jesse Owens USA 9.4 Chicago Jun 17, 1933
1 Ralph Metcalfe USA 9.4 Chicago Jun 17, 1933
1 George Anderson USA 9.4 Fresno May 12, 1934
4 James Johnson USA 9.5 Normal Apr 15, 1933
4 Frank Wykoff USA 9.5 Santa Barbara Apr 29, 1933
4 Paul Starr USA 9.5 Chicago Jun 17, 1933
4 Robert Kiesel USA 9.5 Fresno May 12, 1934
4 Herman Neugass USA 9.5 University Ala. Apr 6, 1935
4 Eulace Peacock USA 9.5 Villanova May 18, 1935
4 Robert Grieve USA 9.5 Ann Arbor May 25, 1935
4 Carson Shoemake USA 9.5 Seattle Jun 1, 1935
4 Sam Stoller USA 9.5 Columbus May 22, 1936

Fastest 100 yards of the 30's

60;s


Top 10 Athletes (1961-1964) 25 Best Performances (1961-1964)
1 Robert Hayes USA 9.1 St.Louis Jun 21, 1963
2 Frank Budd USA 9.2 New York Jun 24, 1961
2 Harry Jerome CAN 9.2 Vancouver Aug 25, 1962
2 Edwin Roberts TRI 9.2 Orangeburg Apr 18, 1964
2 Darel Newman USA 9.2 Fresno May 9, 1964
6 Dennis Johnson JAM 9.3 Sunnyvale May 5, 1961
6 Paul Drayton USA 9.3 New York Jun 24, 1961
6 Dave James USA 9.3 New York Jun 24, 1961
6 Stone Johnson USA 9.3 Houston May 11, 1962
6 Joseph Thornton USA 9.3 Petersburg May 19, 1962
6 Seraphino Antao KEN 9.3 Kampala Oct 6, 1962
6 Dennis Richardson USA 9.3 Abilene Mar 27, 1963
6 Gary Ray USA 9.3 Birmingham May 18, 1963
6 Henry Carr USA 9.3 Tempe May 25, 1963
6 Anthony Watson USA 9.3 Norman Apr 11, 1964
6 David Morris USA 9.3 Fresno May 9, 1964
6 Richard Stebbins USA 9.3 Houston May 9, 1964
6 Travis Williams USA 9.3 Fresno May 9, 1964
6 John Roderick USA 9.3 Lubbock May 9, 1964
6 Melvin Pender USA 9.3 Fort Campbell May 19, 1964

Notice the difference?


Can do that with every event and we;ll see a massive improvement, welll football is no different

 

[RaZon]

400m in the 30;s

1 Archibald Williams USA 46.1 * Chicago Jun 19, 1936
2 James LuValle USA 46.3 * Los Angeles Jun 27, 1936
3 Harold Smallwood USA 46.4 * Chicago Jun 19, 1936
4 Glenn Hardin USA 46.5 * Birmingham, AL May 19, 1934
4 Harold Cagle USA 46.5 * Chicago Jun 19, 1936
6 Godfrey Brown GBR 46.7 Berlin Aug 7, 1936
7 Edward O'Brien USA 46.8 * Princeton Jun 15, 1935
7 William Roberts GBR 46.8 Berlin Aug 7, 1936
7 John Woodruff USA 46.8 Oslo Aug 20, 1936
10 Ivan Fuqua USA 47.0 *e Chicago Jun 17, 1933
10 Dennis Shore RSA 47.0 *A Johannesburg Oct 7, 1935
10 Ed Duda USA 47.0 * Palo Alto Jun 13, 1936
10 Jack Weiershauser USA 47.0 * Palo Alto Jun 13, 1936
10 Albert Fitch USA 47.0 *e New York Jul 12, 1936

 

[RaZon]

60;s, notice thev huge improvement? That is every sport.

Top 10 Athletes (1961-1964) 25 Best Performances (1961-1964)
* - Converted from 440y (-0.3)
1 Adolph Plummer USA 44.6 * Tempe May 25, 1963
2 Mike Larrabee USA 44.9 Los Angeles Sep 12, 1964
3 Ulis Williams USA 45.0 Los Angeles Sep 12, 1964
4 Wendell Mottley TRI 45.2 Tokyo Oct 19, 1964
5 Henry Carr USA 45.4 Hannover Jul 31, 1963
6 Robert Brightwell GBR 45.6 * London Jul 14, 1962
6 Ollan Cassell USA 45.6 Los Angeles Sep 12, 1964
6 Andrzej Badenski POL 45.6 Tokyo Oct 19, 1964
9 Adrian Metcalfe GBR 45.7 Dortmund Sep 2, 1961
9 Peter Laeng SUI 45.7 Zürich Jul 10, 1962
9 Bob Tobler USA 45.7 * Logan May 18, 1963
9 Warren Cawley USA 45.7 *A Albuquerque Jun 14, 1963
9 Kent Bernard TRI 45.7 * Evanston May 22, 1964
9 Josef Trousil TCH 45.7 Prague Jun 26, 1964

 

[RaZon]

Cali state HS marks from recent years superior to NCAA marks from once upon a time.

 

[RaZon]

Won;t see this in the 30;s...

 

[RaZon]

Seriously doubt we saw this in the 30's

 

[RaZon]

The great Don Hutson, the real deal!

 

[RaZon]

In 1942

74receptions
1211 yards
17 TD

......in only 11 games.

Hutson was the guy who was from the future, just like Jim Brown.

Can;t foget....

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/518d37tlpXL._AC_UL600_SR399,600_.jpg

 

[batchaps4me]

So you really think athletes from the 30's can compete with these guys today. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me show ya something.


1 Jesse Owens USA 9.4 Chicago Jun 17, 1933
1 Ralph Metcalfe USA 9.4 Chicago Jun 17, 1933
1 George Anderson USA 9.4 Fresno May 12, 1934
4 James Johnson USA 9.5 Normal Apr 15, 1933
4 Frank Wykoff USA 9.5 Santa Barbara Apr 29, 1933
4 Paul Starr USA 9.5 Chicago Jun 17, 1933
4 Robert Kiesel USA 9.5 Fresno May 12, 1934
4 Herman Neugass USA 9.5 University Ala. Apr 6, 1935
4 Eulace Peacock USA 9.5 Villanova May 18, 1935
4 Robert Grieve USA 9.5 Ann Arbor May 25, 1935
4 Carson Shoemake USA 9.5 Seattle Jun 1, 1935
4 Sam Stoller USA 9.5 Columbus May 22, 1936

Fastest 100 yards of the 30's

60;s


Top 10 Athletes (1961-1964) 25 Best Performances (1961-1964)
1 Robert Hayes USA 9.1 St.Louis Jun 21, 1963
2 Frank Budd USA 9.2 New York Jun 24, 1961
2 Harry Jerome CAN 9.2 Vancouver Aug 25, 1962
2 Edwin Roberts TRI 9.2 Orangeburg Apr 18, 1964
2 Darel Newman USA 9.2 Fresno May 9, 1964
6 Dennis Johnson JAM 9.3 Sunnyvale May 5, 1961
6 Paul Drayton USA 9.3 New York Jun 24, 1961
6 Dave James USA 9.3 New York Jun 24, 1961
6 Stone Johnson USA 9.3 Houston May 11, 1962
6 Joseph Thornton USA 9.3 Petersburg May 19, 1962
6 Seraphino Antao KEN 9.3 Kampala Oct 6, 1962
6 Dennis Richardson USA 9.3 Abilene Mar 27, 1963
6 Gary Ray USA 9.3 Birmingham May 18, 1963
6 Henry Carr USA 9.3 Tempe May 25, 1963
6 Anthony Watson USA 9.3 Norman Apr 11, 1964
6 David Morris USA 9.3 Fresno May 9, 1964
6 Richard Stebbins USA 9.3 Houston May 9, 1964
6 Travis Williams USA 9.3 Fresno May 9, 1964
6 John Roderick USA 9.3 Lubbock May 9, 1964
6 Melvin Pender USA 9.3 Fort Campbell May 19, 1964

Notice the difference?


Can do that with every event and we;ll see a massive improvement, welll football is no different

As far as football goes, do you think today's athletes would still dominate under the conditions of yesteryear including the era's training, technology, nutrition, equipment and rules of the game?

 

[Wazmankg]

You don't even remember my point, you just keep going around in circles.

He's just a troll. Every one of his points has been directly and persuasively rebutted more that once in this thread. He simply ignores the replies and starts talking about something unrelated. Rinse repeat.

 

[Wazmankg]

In 1942

74receptions
1211 yards
17 TD

......in only 11 games.

Hutson was the guy who was from the future, just like Jim Brown.

Can;t foget....

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/518d37tlpXL._AC_UL600_SR399,600_.jpg

So Don Hutson who actually would have to deal with bigger stronger DBs today... guys who run 4.3-4.4 .. you think that he would be able to play today.

But Otto Graham who would basically just have to hit his targets today same as 70 years ago.. according to you he could not compete in today's NFL.


That's just ass-backwards, guy. You make no sense.

 

[RaZon]

As far as football goes, do you think today's athletes would still dominate under the conditions of yesteryear including the era's training, technology, nutrition, equipment and rules of the game?

The huge difference is back in the 30's and 40;s we didn't have the black NFLer. That is the major reason things are different know, size with speed athletes, something we didn't have way back when. Yes everyone playing today would totally rule the past.

Derrick Henry is 245 pounds and fast, that didn't exist way back when,

 

[RaZon]

He's just a troll. Every one of his points has been directly and persuasively rebutted more that once in this thread. He simply ignores the replies and starts talking about something unrelated. Rinse repeat.

Dude, nothing has been rebutted, ok?