Did you guys hear this?

[Stymietee]

If Kirk hits on 2 of the 3 TDs passes he missed with a badly thrown pass each time in the first Dallas game. The Skins probably make the playoffs. If Hopkins hits a 34 yd or so FG in OT against Cincy the Skins probqably make the playoffs.

You're on point...to an extent far as noticeable improvement from KC is some areas stat-wise. In other areas though, not so much.

In 15 he had 29 TDs/11 INTs, last year he went for 25 TDs/12 INTs. The league average for TD passes for an NFL team last year was 24.56 TDs. His 25 TD passes placed him squarely in average territory. His red zone play dipped significantly and he threw some pretty bad INTs in at least 6 games. (Pitt, 1st Dallas game, both Philly games, Ari, 2nd NYG game)

And I'm not saying every loss last year was on Kirk, that's not the case. The entire team, including coaches, the defense, Hopkins, RBs, the OL, and even the WRs (which imo was the strongest aspect of the team last year) all fucked up at critical times in games that were there to be won by the Skins. Kirk fucked up as well though.

The late season crash, going 2-4 over the last 6 weeks, didn't inspire a whole lot of confidence either, at least not for all of us. The most troubling aspect about that month and half to me was the inability of any player particularly KC to come up with a big game or a big play to ignite a spark when the rubber hit the road.

Well done...thank you

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I understand it. I just don't believe KC belongs in this category. KC is not a better Qb than Staffford.

Based on what? This was really the first year Stafford stood out as a really good QB, prior to that his numbers were skewed because Megatron helped him big time. And even with Calvin Johnson his career numbers are not as good as Kirk's.

 

[skinsdad62]

Well done...thank you

so shouldnt we put the blame on the team as a hole ? instead of just one player? we need to shore up some spots , weakening positions we dont need to doesnt make sense to me

 

[Sharkinva]

so shouldnt we put the blame on the team as a hole ? instead of just one player? we need to shore up some spots , weakening positions we dont need to doesnt make sense to me

That was the rule... until Cousins became the starter of course. Now, its all Kirk., If he cant carry the team we need to move on.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I'm still waiting for someone to disprove my claim that Kirk is by far the biggest difference between 5-11 in 2014 and division champs the following year. 2014 had the same weapons less Crowder, same crap defense with no Norman, much better running game, worse special team coverage

 

[Sharkinva]

I'm still waiting for someone to disprove my claim that Kirk is by far the biggest difference between 5-11 in 2014 and division champs the following year. 2014 had the same weapons less Crowder, same crap defense with no Norman, much better running game, worse special team coverage

This is the part where we hear about him only doing it for half a season in 2015. And 2015 is totally disregarded due to Cousins being the sole reason we didnt make the playoffs in 2016. He gets zero credit for us being in the position to win and make the playoffs in week 17, but all the blame for us NOT making the playoffs.

Did I leave anything out??

 

[Stymietee]

so shouldnt we put the blame on the team as a hole ? instead of just one player? we need to shore up some spots , weakening positions we dont need to doesnt make sense to me

Sure just as long as we do so fairly. To me that means we stop giving so much credit to QB's in general for what goes right and too much blame on everyone else when things go wrong.

I am certain that the whole debate over whether Cousins stays or goes has been beat to near death. A year ago we went through the same crap only to rehash familiar arguments again. To me it was pretty clear that the two sides weren't close. The only difference between then and now is something that should never over-rule an evaluation, and that's desperation.

I know that others don't agree with my plan, that also, IMO, improves the position in the event that Kirk ends up playing elsewhere. The funny thing about that is..... unlike most here, I do have a plan.

 

[Stymietee]

I'm still waiting for someone to disprove my claim that Kirk is by far the biggest difference between 5-11 in 2014 and division champs the following year. 2014 had the same weapons less Crowder, same crap defense with no Norman, much better running game, worse special team coverage

How would you quantify such a claim? For example, maybe it wasn't Kirk, but consistency coupled with everyone knowing their assignments better. For you to say that it was Kirk is no different than me saying that we had better production from the right side of the offensive line or more stability at center. See where I'm going with this?

 

[skinsdad62]

8 sacks, and there were games when I thought hr was the Skins best pass rusher and best defensive player. We could use a couple more players having a season like Murphy did last year and I'm hopeful Murphy builds off what he did last year as well. Looking at his track record at Stanford I think the odds are pretty decent he will do just that.[/QUOTE

]Trent Murphy

here its listed as 9

 

[skinsdad62]

Pierre Garcon 79 116 1041 13.2 3 70 15 65.1 0 0 307 52
DeSean Jackson 56 100 1005 17.9 4 80 19 67.0 0 0 283 35
Jamison Crowder 67 97 847 12.6 7 55 11 52.9 2 1 386 34
Jordan Reed 66 87 686 10.4 6 33 9 57.2 1 1 247 41
Vernon Davis 44 59 583 13.3 2 44 11 36.4 0 0 231 22
Chris Thompson 49 62 349 7.1 2 38 2 21.8 1 0 231 18

this is the ball distribution with KC . 6 people with 44 or more receptions

pretty good if you ask me . seems he can find his playmakers and get them the ball

 

[Sharkinva]

Pierre Garcon 79 116 1041 13.2 3 70 15 65.1 0 0 307 52
DeSean Jackson 56 100 1005 17.9 4 80 19 67.0 0 0 283 35
Jamison Crowder 67 97 847 12.6 7 55 11 52.9 2 1 386 34
Jordan Reed 66 87 686 10.4 6 33 9 57.2 1 1 247 41
Vernon Davis 44 59 583 13.3 2 44 11 36.4 0 0 231 22
Chris Thompson 49 62 349 7.1 2 38 2 21.8 1 0 231 18

this is the ball distribution with KC . 6 people with 44 or more receptions

pretty good if you ask me . seems he can find his playmakers and get them the ball

But apparently we would be better off with some one else.

Skinsdad you know Im not calling you out on this one. But I seriously wonder if the ABC crowd will ever have the balls to just come out and say... we dont like Kirk and we would rather ANY other option.

 

[deanpet21]

But apparently we would be better off with some one else.

Skinsdad you know Im not calling you out on this one. But I seriously wonder if the ABC crowd will ever have the balls to just come out and say... we dont like Kirk and we would rather ANY other option.

Its not about not liking KC. I don't know why you don't get this. Some people on here don't feel he is worth the money he is going to get with his current skill set. I have proven multiple times that KC has trouble in a lot of areas. You point to the passing yards stats. Great but how much of that was garbage time?

My main issues with KC on the field on red zone decision making, Reading defenses, and clock management. By watching these games from last season these three come out in ALMOST every game. That is the issue nevermind the money that has to be committed to this guy.

 

[skinsdad62]

Its not about not liking KC. I don't know why you don't get this. Some people on here don't feel he is worth the money he is going to get with his current skill set. I have proven multiple times that KC has trouble in a lot of areas. You point to the passing yards stats. Great but how much of that was garbage time?

My main issues with KC on the field on red zone decision making, Reading defenses, and clock management. By watching these games from last season these three come out in ALMOST every game. That is the issue nevermind the money that has to be committed to this guy.

either you want him as the qb or not . money isnt the issue the team has plenty and his contract will be obsolete by next season

the money thing is a smokescreen

 

[deanpet21]

either you want him as the qb or not . money isnt the issue the team has plenty and his contract will be obsolete by next season

the money thing is a smokescreen

its not a smoke screen when you evaluate KC performance last year. You guys are looking at like there is no other long term option on the roster right now so we have to pay him. No questions asked. I think its the wrong way to look at it. If KC doesn't get his long term deal here that money could be used to get another two impactful FA's. So yea the money matters to the overall team.

 

[Sharkinva]

Its not about not liking KC. I don't know why you don't get this. Some people on here don't feel he is worth the money he is going to get with his current skill set. I have proven multiple times that KC has trouble in a lot of areas. You point to the passing yards stats. Great but how much of that was garbage time?

My main issues with KC on the field on red zone decision making, Reading defenses, and clock management. By watching these games from last season these three come out in ALMOST every game. That is the issue nevermind the money that has to be committed to this guy.

So its not about the money, but its about the money??

Kirk is the main reason we suffered in the redzone, not a lack of running game. But because of Kirk.. Got it. See here is my real beef. Most of the fans condemning Kirk for NOT being able to carry the team all on his own, are the same people who would forgive ANY other QB for NOT being able to carry the team.

Dean I dont place you in this group. You are all about the big name. As Kirk isnt cool enough, you get more excited on what we might do with the 49ers #2 pick. Your dislike of Kirk is more based on what you think we MIGHT do with the NIners pick.

BUt I will point out that when we actually had a real RB, Kirk was one of the best Redzone QBs in the league. When we decided to go with Matt Jones and company, all of a sudden we became pathetic and predictable in the Redzone... but no correlation there right??

 

[deanpet21]

So its not about the money, but its about the money??

Kirk is the main reason we suffered in the redzone, not a lack of running game. But because of Kirk.. Got it. See here is my real beef. Most of the fans condemning Kirk for NOT being able to carry the team all on his own, are the same people who would forgive ANY other QB for NOT being able to carry the team.

Dean I dont place you in this group. You are all about the big name. As Kirk isnt cool enough, you get more excited on what we might do with the 49ers #2 pick. Your dislike of Kirk is more based on what you think we MIGHT do with the NIners pick.

BUt I will point out that when we actually had a real RB, Kirk was one of the best Redzone QBs in the league. When we decided to go with Matt Jones and company, all of a sudden we became pathetic and predictable in the Redzone... but no correlation there right??

I was calling for KC to start when RG3 was hurt in the 2013 season. So I don't know where you are coming from about the big name thing. I will just point to my post in #214

 

[skinsdad62]

its not a smoke screen when you evaluate KC performance last year. You guys are looking at like there is no other long term option on the roster right now so we have to pay him. No questions asked. I think its the wrong way to look at it. If KC doesn't get his long term deal here that money could be used to get another two impactful FA's. So yea the money matters to the overall team.

i have evaluated his performance in total not selected instance when even stars dont make the right read ETC . sure there are other long term options , unfortunately nothing in the near future .

you are basically telling the fans we are going to be a 6-10 team with a hole at qb just good enough to be out of the running for a good young draftable qb line up colt and dudfeld and watch the eagles pass us by

if its me i resign one or both of the big 2 wrs , i resign KC , i resign baker and add a couple of quality fa's . then i go and draft some more pieces

then i see our team taking the next step , making the playoffs and getting a win all we go into 2018 with another nice amount of cap space

you are hanging on to the wet dream of the number 2 overall which we spend on replacing the qb we had

we arent going to sell the fan base on colt and the mccoys

 

[deanpet21]

i have evaluated his performance in total not selected instance when even stars dont make the right read ETC . sure there are other long term options , unfortunately nothing in the near future .

you are basically telling the fans we are going to be a 6-10 team with a hole at qb just good enough to be out of the running for a good young draftable qb line up colt and dudfeld and watch the eagles pass us by

if its me i resign one or both of the big 2 wrs , i resign KC , i resign baker and add a couple of quality fa's . then i go and draft some more pieces

then i see our team taking the next step , making the playoffs and getting a win all we go into 2018 with another nice amount of cap space

you are hanging on to the wet dream of the number 2 overall which we spend on replacing the qb we had

we arent going to sell the fan base on colt and the mccoys

You can't say that after only one offseason. We went 8-7-1 last year. Predicting a 6-10 season is just unfair b/c FA and the draft have not taken place yet.

If you truly evaluated KC performance in total you should know that there are holes in his game. He is not a finish product by no means. NO the #2 pick will not be used on a QB.

 

[Sharkinva]

Dean... the only way we save a massive amount of cap space is to go into the season with MCCoy or Suds as our starter. Any one we bring in capable of giving us 70% of Kirks numbers is either going to cost us 70% of Kirks cap number, or something in the draft. So unless you seriously think we are 1-2 FA's and a couple of draft picks away from the 2000 Ravens defense, your plan likely sets us back just enough that we are in position to make another bone headed draft trade for a QB in 2018. We would also be counting on the fact that another team picking in the top 1-5 spots DOESNT feel they need a QB.

 

[skinsdad62]

You can't say that after only one offseason. We went 8-7-1 last year. Predicting a 6-10 season is just unfair b/c FA and the draft have not taken place yet.

If you truly evaluated KC performance in total you should know that there are holes in his game. He is not a finish product by no means. NO the #2 pick will not be used on a QB.

both dudfeld and colt have a total of 8 career wins between the 2 of them . 6-10 is totally fair