Detroit Tigers Ongoing 2016 Thread

[MiamiVice]

You're also an asshole.

You aren't the first person to tell me that. Won't be the last.

 

[MiamiVice]

Possible scenario: Tuesday night Castellanos takes a foul ball off the big toe. DL isn't needed but he'll need a day off (maybe two). Romine takes his place for the Wednesday day game. Your bench is now, Collins, Saltalamachia, and Goss. Tiger middle infielder goes down in the fifth......whatcha do?

Just to answer what the Tigers would do here...

Miggy would shift over to 3rd... Romine would shift to middle infield... Choice of either putting Saltalamacchia over at 1st or putting Vmart at 1st and using Collins as DH.

 

[MiamiVice]

Nationals sign Bronson Arroyo to a minor league contract... not sure why the Tiger's never make moves like this. The Tiger's like to load up Toledo with shit bags that will never see the light of day in the MLB instead of having actual depth down there.

 

[Howie115]

Who cares if he can "play" multiple positions if he sucks at everyone at this point of his career.

LOL. This was always my retort when Mario or Rod would mention how Raburn was valuable because he could play multiple positions. Umm, not if he plays them all BADLY.

That said, the Tigers had inklings of working Romine into the outfield rotation some last season, but he would up playing a whopping 3 innings out there. At least Aviles has had a reasonable amount of experience in the OF, if the goal is to have that swingman.

Though I agree Iffy made some good arguments to keep Aviles, but my gut still says keep Collins and Romine, because both can bat lefty, and the Tiger lineup is too RH-heavy. If I need a pinch hitter in the ninth against an RH reliever, I want Collins on my bench over Aviles, whose splits against RHPs have plummeted over the last 3 seasons (.269 to .237 to .219). If I need a pinch runner or defensive replacement, Romine > Aviles, but Romine is no better as a hitter vs. RHPs (.229 career vs. RHP, .287 career vs. LHP).

 

[MiamiVice]

LOL. This was always my retort when Mario or Rod would mention how Raburn was valuable because he could play multiple positions. Umm, not if he plays them all BADLY.

That said, the Tigers had inklings of working Romine into the outfield rotation some last season, but he would up playing a whopping 3 innings out there. At least Aviles has had a reasonable amount of experience in the OF, if the goal is to have that swingman.

Though I agree Iffy made some good arguments to keep Aviles, but my gut still says keep Collins and Romine, because both can bat lefty, and the Tiger lineup is too RH-heavy. If I need a pinch hitter in the ninth against an RH reliever, I want Collins on my bench over Aviles, whose splits against RHPs have plummeted over the last 3 seasons (.269 to .237 to .219). If I need a pinch runner or defensive replacement, Romine > Aviles, but Romine is no better as a hitter vs. RHPs (.229 career vs. RHP, .287 career vs. LHP).

Fuck... if you are going to sign someone for a utility role... and have a budget of 2 mil... you can find other guys that would have fit better than shit ass aviles to hold that roster spot. That is my biggest gripe. I could care less if Collins makes the team... he is a fringe MLB caliber player that is replacement level which Aviles is not even capable of being described as. Aviles was brought in at a price that could have landed a left handed bat that could play outfield and infield positions. The move made no sense. Don Kelly would have been a smarter signing... I would have rather seen the Tigers go into the season with Collins and made a move if need be instead of locking themselves into that cheese dick.

 

[Iffster]

Howie....I honestly don't care if they keep Aviles. The Tigers DO need a swingman that has most of his experience in the infield. It appears that Ausmus might continue to use Romine at third as a late inning defensive replacement. Thus, it would make sense to have someone else on the roster who can play the infield too.
As for Vice....I am afraid that the posters at this site are in for his egotistical rants and personal insults for the duration of his stay.

As for pinch hitting. I agree that Detroit needs a lefty bat....but we are talking about Tyler Collins here. How many players in the lineup are you going to lift for Tyler Collins?

C-McCann
1b-Cabrera
2b-Kinsler
ss-Iglesias
3b-Castellanos
Lf-Upton
Rf-Maybin
Rf-JD Martinez
DH-VMartinez

I went through this before.....how often would Collins be called upon to pinch hit? If you PH for an infielder, you might also need to replace the player he pinch hit for. Gose would PH for Maybin and Saltamachia for McCann.

Now I agree that paying Aviles $2mil seems to be excessive for the role he'll play. (Is he suppose to be a great clubhouse guy?) My personal view? Keep Collins at Toledo as a possible replacement for VMart....I have a feeling that Detroit will be looking for help at the DH spot.

 

[Howie115]

Aviles was brought in at a price that could have landed a left handed bat that could play outfield and infield positions.

Agreed. You can get guys at the major league minimum who can do what Aviles does, and you can get a superior player for $2 mill per.

At least Collins is relatively young (25), plays average outfield (while Aviles is below average) and hits lefty with some power (18 and 21 HR seasons in the minors). Romine (30) and Aviles (34) have both hit their ceiling. In the case of Aviles, he's hit the ceiling and started to bounce back down.

 

[MiamiVice]

There really isn't anyone that can explain to me the rational of spending 2 mil on a "utility" player that can't field any of the positions he is listed as playing at even an average rate... when said player can't hit either.

 

[MiamiVice]

Howie....I honestly don't care if they keep Aviles. The Tigers DO need a swingman that has most of his experience in the infield. It appears that Ausmus might continue to use Romine at third as a late inning defensive replacement. Thus, it would make sense to have someone else on the roster who can play the infield too.
As for Vice....I am afraid that the posters at this site are in for his egotistical rants and personal insults for the duration of his stay.

As for pinch hitting. I agree that Detroit needs a lefty bat....but we are talking about Tyler Collins here. How many players in the lineup are you going to lift for Tyler Collins?

C-McCann
1b-Cabrera
2b-Kinsler
ss-Iglesias
3b-Castellanos
Lf-Upton
Rf-Maybin
Rf-JD Martinez
DH-VMartinez

I went through this before.....how often would Collins be called upon to pinch hit? If you PH for an infielder, you might also need to replace the player he pinch hit for. Gose would PH for Maybin and Saltamachia for McCann.

Now I agree that paying Aviles $2mil seems to be excessive for the role he'll play. (Is he suppose to be a great clubhouse guy?) My personal view? Keep Collins at Toledo as a possible replacement for VMart....I have a feeling that Detroit will be looking for help at the DH spot.

Collins would clearly pinch hit over McCann, Iglesias, and Maybin in late inning situations vs a righty.

 

[MiamiVice]

Howie....I honestly don't care if they keep Aviles. The Tigers DO need a swingman that has most of his experience in the infield. It appears that Ausmus might continue to use Romine at third as a late inning defensive replacement. Thus, it would make sense to have someone else on the roster who can play the infield too.
As for Vice....I am afraid that the posters at this site are in for his egotistical rants and personal insults for the duration of his stay.

As for pinch hitting. I agree that Detroit needs a lefty bat....but we are talking about Tyler Collins here. How many players in the lineup are you going to lift for Tyler Collins?

C-McCann
1b-Cabrera
2b-Kinsler
ss-Iglesias
3b-Castellanos
Lf-Upton
Rf-Maybin
Rf-JD Martinez
DH-VMartinez

I went through this before.....how often would Collins be called upon to pinch hit? If you PH for an infielder, you might also need to replace the player he pinch hit for. Gose would PH for Maybin and Saltamachia for McCann.

Now I agree that paying Aviles $2mil seems to be excessive for the role he'll play. (Is he suppose to be a great clubhouse guy?) My personal view? Keep Collins at Toledo as a possible replacement for VMart....I have a feeling that Detroit will be looking for help at the DH spot.

and once again iffy... you are acting like I am suggesting Collins is the answer.. he is just clearly a better answer than Aviles. Do you want to see Aviles play SS or 2nd base late in a game? I sure as fuck don't.

 

[MiamiVice]

I would rather have collins pinch hitting than Gose... The only thing Gose has going for him over Collins is his defense.

 

[MiamiVice]

collins as a replacement for Vmart? Are you retarded? The Tigers would do so many things before replacing Vmart with Collins at DH... They would have Castellanos of Miggy DHing and get someone else at 3rd before using Collins as DH for any length of time greater than a week or two if Vmart was injured.

 

[Iffster]

Collins would clearly pinch hit over McCann, Iglesias, and Maybin in late inning situations vs a righty.

Sorry....if available...Salty (B), Gose (L)....

Not to get too personal, Vice....but you do realize that you are calling Aviles names like 'cheese dick'? Why? Just because you disagree with his POSSIBLE inclusion on the team? Or because you are so desperate to prove you are right in this ''argument''? The guy hasn't played an inning yet!!! Yet HE is a cheese dick? Shouldn't the cheese dick handle go to the GM? Golly, gosh

 

[MiamiVice]

Sorry....if available...Salty (B), Gose (L)....

Not to get too personal, Vice....but you do realize that you are calling Aviles names like 'cheese dick'? Why? Just because you disagree with his POSSIBLE inclusion on the team? Or because you are so desperate to prove you are right in this ''argument''? The guy hasn't played on inning yet!!! Yet HE is a cheese dick? Shouldn't the cheese dick handle go to the GM? Golly, gosh

Gose would NOT pinch hit over Collins... Seriously.. you are brain dead. Collins OPS (.732) vs Gose OPS (.688)... jesus christ you post some dumb shit.

 

[Howie115]

Collins would clearly pinch hit over McCann, Iglesias, and Maybin in late inning situations vs a righty.

Depends who is on the bench with him. I'd take him over Gose when pinch-hitting for Maybin. Not sold on Gose as a hitter and Collins has a better chance to tie or win a game with one swing. And at this point of their careers, I'd pinch hit Collins for Castellanos, too (with Romine coming in for defense after). Castellanos' career splits are .248 vs. RHPs and .288 vs. LHPs. Last year was ridiculous: .230 vs. RHPs and .351 vs. LHPs. Gimme Collins over Nick against a RHP closer every time.

I agree, Collins is still a fringe major leaguer. But if the argument is solely him or Aviles, I like Collins. Problem is, they already spent the money for Aviles. Good thing Mr. I can wipe his ass with $2 mill.

 

[MiamiVice]

Aviles is going to be on the team...its a guaranteed contract.... they aren't just signing him to a 2 mil contract to cut him and let him walk away with it. Aviles has cheese dick numbers... much like you post cheese dick posts.

 

[Iffster]

So endeth the thrilling discussion about WHO should be the 25th man on the Tiger roster. Stay tuned for further novellas on the backend of the bullpen, the asst batting coach, and outfield positioning.

Oh yes...I am sure the Rotund Rondon saga will be revisited soon!!!!

 

[MiamiVice]

golly gosh.. you might be correct... I am not really impressed with Avila. I am waiting for the draft to judge fully.. but signing zimmerman and upton isn't hard when you have a huge wallet to work with.. the deals that make a great GM are the trades and low and mid tier free agent signins... so far his signings of Pelfrey and Aviles look completely unexplainable.

 

[MiamiVice]

So endeth the thrilling discussion about WHO should be the 25th man on the Tiger roster. Stay tuned for further novellas on the backend of the bullpen, the asst batting coach, and outfield positioning.

Oh yes...I am sure the Rotund Rondon saga will be revisited soon!!!!

25th players on the roster most certainly make a difference... Losing that roster spot to a guy that can't field or hit is not the way you build a winner.

 

[MiamiVice]

my grades on Avila's moves so far

• frod trade - B+ (older guy that was traded for a mid tier player from a position of depth)
• Maybin trade - B (odd fit but didn't give up much)
• zimmerman signing - A ( price he got him at was fair and obvious need)
• pelfrey signing - D+ (makes no sense to give a low tier pitcher a 16 mil contract a few weeks into free agent market)
• aviles signing - D ( guy does nothing average.. mostly everything below at this point. )
• Saltalamacchia signing - B+ ( good signing on the cheap)
• Upton Signing - A ( good fit and solid contract deal )
• Justin Wilson trade - A ( gave up mid tier prospects that were from positions of depth)
• Mike Lowe signing - C+ ( decent player but nothing special was given a deal above what he should have)

If Avila doesn't draft well this year... I will have seen enough... Plus.. The Tigers need to spend more in international signings to compensate for losing their 2nd and 3rd round draft picks... if they don't do that its a red flag for me with him as well.