Derek Jeter's career OPS+ ranks tied for 498th

[MilkSpiller22]

That's why I say let him be in the compiler's wing. Without the 3000 hits he is Al Oliver or Bill Bucker.

except for the fact he played a position where offensive numbers were not that great... There is a huge difference between being a SS and any other position... Plus, you are not respecting the statistics that show longevity and consistency...

 

[PolarVortex]

Shortstops rarely have a high ops. I wonder what he ranks positionally

Nomar, Arod and Tejada disagree. There was a trend toward solid offensive shortstops that ended abruptly with the beginning of mandatory drug testing.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

That's why I say let him be in the compiler's wing. Without the 3000 hits he is Al Oliver or Bill Bucker.

Without balls, grandpa would be grandma.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Polar, if you want to say he is over-rated because he NEVER was a GREAT player that is fine... But you have to respect the difference between best career and best player...

 

[Rock Strongo]

So, he's got a higher WAR and JAWS score than the average Hall of Fame shortstop and that merits a thread claiming he's a fraud?

I knew that Red Sox fans were obsessed with the Yankees, but I didn't know Mariners fans were too. Hell, I didn't even know there were Mariners fans.

hes a SS. the guys ahead of him, are guys like ozzie smith...who...you know...played the defensive position.

jeters WAR is heavily weighed in offense.

 

[Rock Strongo]

go to this link:

Career Leaders &amp Records for Defensive WAR | Baseball-Reference.com

hit ctrl+F

type in jeter

he doesnt crack the top 1,000 players all time defensively in WAR.

you know who does? robert andino is tied for 988th at 2.6 DWAR

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

hes a SS. the guys ahead of him, are guys like ozzie smith...who...you know...played the defensive position.

jeters WAR is heavily weighed in offense.

And Smith's WAR is heavily weighed in defense.

 

[Rock Strongo]

And Smith's WAR is heavily weighed in defense.

like a short stop should be, and was, before the big 3 came along...

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

I see Blade and Rock getting destroyed on this topic

 

[flyerhawk]

Jeter is getting into the Hall solely because he has 3,000 hits.

He's Craig Biggio but on better teams.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

So, he's got a higher WAR and JAWS score than the average Hall of Fame shortstop and that merits a thread claiming he's a fraud?

I knew that Red Sox fans were obsessed with the Yankees, but I didn't know Mariners fans were too. Hell, I didn't even know there were Mariners fans.

Lmao

"Winning only matters when it comes to Tom Brady"

 

[PolarVortex]

Translation: Premium position doesn't count because I'm making up my own criteria to conveniently support my claims.

Wrong. If there are players on your team who are equal to or better than you in offense, and defensively better than you at the position you play, then your defensive and offensive WAR within your team roster is going to be a negative number.
You could argue, but you'd be wrong.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Jeter is getting into the Hall solely because he has 3,000 hits.

He's Craig Biggio but on better teams.

If he had 2800 hits, you think he wouldn't be in? That's far-fetched.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

like a short stop should be, and was, before the big 3 came along...

Awesome.


go to this link:

Career Leaders &amp Records for Offensive WAR | Baseball-Reference.com

hit ctrl+F

type in jeter

He ranks 20th all-time, all positions.

I fucking hate it when I find myself defending Yankees.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Wrong. If there are players on your team who are equal to or better than you in offense, and defensively better than you at the position you play, then your defensive and offensive WAR within your team roster is going to be a negative number.
You could argue, but you'd be wrong.

Did Jeter play those games at shortstop or not? If he did (regardless of whether he was the best choice), then your point is irrelevant.

You can't pretend that his stats at shortstop didn't take place because there were better options, and that's why your logic here is absurd.

 

[PolarVortex]

So, he's got a higher WAR and JAWS score than the average Hall of Fame shortstop and that merits a thread claiming he's a fraud?

I knew that Red Sox fans were obsessed with the Yankees, but I didn't know Mariners fans were too. Hell, I didn't even know there were Mariners fans.

Did Magic get Robbie Alomar and Albert Don't Call Me Joey Belle hooked up on the good HIV drugs? We wouldn't want Robbie and Joey to leave this Earth prematurely.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I see Blade and Rock getting destroyed on this topic

If you ask them, they're trolling everybody by saying stupid shit and getting called on it.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Jeter is getting into the Hall solely because he has 3,000 hits.

He's Craig Biggio but on better teams.

Lmao

If we ignore the 30 point difference in career BA

Or we could also ignore Biggios ONE 200 hit season to Jeters 8

Really, I could keep going

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

If you ask them, they're trolling everybody by saying stupid shit and getting called on it.

Jeter has owned their skulls forever

Even in retirement

 

[Rock Strongo]

Awesome.


go to this link:

Career Leaders &amp Records for Offensive WAR | Baseball-Reference.com

hit ctrl+F

type in jeter

He ranks 20th all-time, all positions.

I fucking hate it when I find myself defending Yankees.

i already posted that