Derek Jeter's career OPS+ ranks tied for 498th

[PolarVortex]

Everyone says he is a shoo-in for first ballot HOF. Some even suggest that he might be the first unanimous selection.

Such suggestions are nothing less than a slap in the face to guys like Aaron, Mantle, Mays, Maddux, Randy Jonson, Ted Williams.

Jeter is a HOFer, sure. But he belongs in the Compiler's wing. His legacy is a fraud.

 

[Rock Strongo]

winner

 

[Rock Strongo]

he doesnt even crack the top 1000 all time in Defensive WAR, yet hes 20th in offensive WAR.

 

[Rock Strongo]

he is 13th all time in strikeouts, usually a power hitters calling card.

hes crammed between dave kingman, manny ramirez and bobby abreu. who doesnt belong on this list?

tony perez
fred mcgriff
bobby abreu
derek jeter
dave kingman
manny ramirez
alfonso soriano
ken griffey jr


PS thats the strikeout list around jetes.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Hahaha. That's good stuff. He won't be unanimous, but he'll be first ballot for sure, and should be.

I hate the Yankees, but I'm pragmatic.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Everyone says he is a shoo-in for first ballot HOF. Some even suggest that he might be the first unanimous selection.

Such suggestions are nothing less than a slap in the face to guys like Aaron, Mantle, Mays, Maddux, Randy Jonson, Ted Williams.

Jeter is a HOFer, sure. But he belongs in the Compiler's wing. His legacy is a fraud.

How many of those players with a better OPS+ had either/both:
A) Had much shorter careers (I don't think you'd argue that it's harder to sustain rate stats with more PAs)
B) Didn't play a premium position

 

[Rock Strongo]

it was a sad sad day marking the last K on the derek jeter strikeout thread.

 

[DHoey]

Shortstops rarely have a high ops. I wonder what he ranks positionally

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I love when people use POWER stats for a NON power hitter...

 

[Rock Strongo]

I love when people use POWER stats for a NON power hitter...

like strikeouts?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Shortstops rarely have a high ops. I wonder what he ranks positionally

8th among SS with more than 5k plate appearances.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

like strikeouts?

Yea, so what... talk about compiler stat... That is one that says you played for long enough to be on the list...

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I love when people use POWER stats for a NON power hitter...

5th most HRs all time for shortstops.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Yea, so what... talk about compiler stat... That is one that says you played for long enough to be on the list...

Yep. 2nd most PAs by a shortstop, 2nd most Ks.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I will give you that if he played any other offensive position and he did not get the HITS milestone, he would probably not make the HOF... But He did reach the HITS milestone, and he did play SS...

 

[Rock Strongo]

avg HOF SS has a JAWS score of 54.7 and a 66.7 WAR


jeter has a 71.8 WAR and a 57.0 WAR

hes 12th all time in WAR for SS's (offensively, he doesnt even crack the top 1000 defensively) and 12th in JAWS.

 

[PolarVortex]

How many of those players with a better OPS+ had either/both:
A) Had much shorter careers (I don't think you'd argue that it's harder to sustain rate stats with more PAs)
B) Didn't play a premium position

Playing a premium doesn't count when:
a. - you didn't volunteer to move from that position when a player who plays that position better than you joined the team.
b. - you didn't play that position better than at least half of the players who also play that postion. (Don't use the Gold Glove reference here because smart posters know that Gold Gloves are popularity contests).
c. - You insisted on holding that position 7 years longer than you should have.

 

[PolarVortex]

I will give you that if he played any other offensive position and he did not get the HITS milestone, he would probably not make the HOF... But He did reach the HITS milestone, and he did play SS...

That's why I say let him be in the compiler's wing. Without the 3000 hits he is Al Oliver or Bill Bucker.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Playing a premium doesn't count when:
a. - you didn't volunteer to move from that position when a player who plays that position better than you joined the team.
b. - you didn't play that position better than at least half of the players who also play that postion. (Don't use the Gold Glove reference here because smart posters know that Gold Gloves are popularity contests).
c. - You insisted on holding that position 7 years longer than you should have.

Translation: Premium position doesn't count because I'm making up my own criteria to conveniently support my claims.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

avg HOF SS has a JAWS score of 54.7 and a 66.7 WAR


jeter has a 71.8 WAR and a 57.0 WAR

hes 12th all time in WAR for SS's (offensively, he doesnt even crack the top 1000 defensively) and 12th in JAWS.

So, he's got a higher WAR and JAWS score than the average Hall of Fame shortstop and that merits a thread claiming he's a fraud?

I knew that Red Sox fans were obsessed with the Yankees, but I didn't know Mariners fans were too. Hell, I didn't even know there were Mariners fans.