David Ortiz to retire at the end of 2016

[fordman84]

Hoping for a farewell tour, but no one outside of Boston will give a shit.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

yup. and remember, of those "positive tests" there was also a very high number of false positives, and no one knows who those were.

because it wasnt a test for anything specific, just to see what the hitters were up to collectively.

Being linked to that failed test means PED speculation. Ignore that fact all you want, but so far, the voters haven't.

 

[fordman84]

Bosox fans I guess have to hope Andy petitte gets HoF. He's the most likeable guy I can think of that is linked to roids. Need someone to break into the hall so others can point and say "but that roider got in and he is t as good".

 

[Rock Strongo]

Being linked to that failed test means PED speculation. Ignore that fact all you want, but so far, the voters haven't.

yup. and so far, no one like ortiz has come to this point (or reached that point). aside from jeter, he wad the face of MLB for the last what, 10 years at least?

commercial friendly. never an off field problem guy. charitable. likable.

he may be the first "good guy" on the "steroid list (cough cough) to encounter this.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Bosox fans I guess have to hope Andy petitte gets HoF. He's the most likeable guy I can think of that is linked to roids. Need someone to break into the hall so others can point and say "but that roider got in and he is t as good".

and his numbers do not remotely stack up to ortiz's as far as comparisons go.

pettitte was a very average to barely above average pitcher during his career. even with his post season wins, his peripherals are pedestrian.

3.85 reg season/1.351 WHIP
3.81 post season/ 1.305 WHIP

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

yup. and so far, no one like ortiz has come to this point (or reached that point). aside from jeter, he wad the face of MLB for the last what, 10 years at least?

commercial friendly. never an off field problem guy. charitable. likable.

he may be the first "good guy" on the "steroid list (cough cough) to encounter this.

Good luck with that. Particularly given that he only played on one side of the ball.

 

[fordman84]

I don't have a positive view of Ortiz. I see him as a loud mouth show off who half asses it for stretches at a time.

But I get why people from Boston relate to that.

 

[fordman84]

and his numbers do not remotely stack up to ortiz's as far as comparisons go.

pettitte was a very average to barely above average pitcher during his career. even with his post season wins, his peripherals are pedestrian.

3.85 reg season/1.351 WHIP
3.81 post season/ 1.305 WHIP

Average or not, you need SOME roider in the hall to break that stigma. Who else is affable enough to get the vote? Not Ortiz.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Average or not, you need SOME roider in the hall to break that stigma. Who else is affable enough to get the vote? Not Ortiz.

oh, hes affable.

like i said, the guy was an advertisers dream. jovial, friendly, big smile...never an off the field problem guy...regardless of the unsanctioned test he may or may not have failed...he was very good to the game, and the game was good to him.

best DH of all time, hands down. the numbers prove it.

he will be the first DH elected and the first "steroid guy" (cough cough) to get in.

 

[fordman84]

oh, hes affable.

like i said, the guy was an advertisers dream. jovial, friendly, big smile...never an off the field problem guy...regardless of the unsanctioned test he may or may not have failed...he was very good to the game, and the game was good to him.

best DH of all time, hands down. the numbers prove it.

he will be the first DH elected and the first "steroid guy" (cough cough) to get in.

Maybe so, I didn't follow him that much. Every time I saw him he was being a prick or getting pissed at people for asking why he sucks at that point.

Also, Edgar Martinez.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I don't even know if he was the best DH of all time... Thome had over 800 DH games, and he was significantly better...

Edgar Martinez was better than Ortiz as well...

 

[Rock Strongo]

Maybe so, I didn't follow him that much. Every time I saw him he was being a prick or getting pissed at people for asking why he sucks at that point.

Also, Edgar Martinez.

nah, those classic ESPN commercials (you no big papi), dunkins ads...

yeah, he has his moments...smashing clubhouse phones, crying every spring for a new deal...

but thats modern sports.

 

[Carnzo]

Hoping for a farewell tour, but no one outside of Boston will give a shit.

True. But we here love him for helping reverse the curse.
He and Dave Roberts will never be able to buy their own beer in New England

 

[Rock Strongo]

I don't even know if he was the best DH of all time... Thome had over 800 DH games, and he was significantly better...

Edgar Martinez was better than Ortiz as well...

ortiz has more hits RBI and HR than both as a DH...

by miles.

then we get to the postseason...

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I don't have a positive view of Ortiz. I see him as a loud mouth show off who half asses it for stretches at a time.

That's a good point. I suppose there's also a segment of the population put off by his "give me my contract, I want respect" whining.

I didn't consider that he might not be the "good guy" that Rock suggested, probably because I do kind of like him.

 

[tducey]

As a Red Sox fan I'll miss him, very polarizing figure though.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

ortiz has more hits RBI and HR than both as a DH...

by miles.

Well, yeah, you would kind of expect that from a guy that had 140% more PAs as DH than Thome.

Thome could play competent defense, so he spent most of his career in the field, as opposed to Ortiz, who has been a DH for almost 90% of his PAs.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

As a Red Sox fan I'll miss him, very polarizing figure though.

I'm sorry, you're wrong. He's universally loved as evidenced by the fact that a Boston based company contracted him to help them sell donuts. Rock'll tell you.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Well, yeah, you would kind of expect that from a guy that had 140% more PAs as DH than Thome.

Thome could play competent defense, so he spent most of his career in the field, as opposed to Ortiz, who has been a DH for almost 90% of his PAs.

ortiz was very competent in the field too. did you know that?

he was actually better than napoli at 1B for stretches in interleague.

 

[Rock Strongo]

You can play as David Ortiz in Fallout 4 but probably not for long