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Daily Thread: Rivera Blows IT! Peyton Makes the Ravens Defense His Bi%TCH

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The Red Sox scored 20 runs last night, which prompted me to check the last they did that: It was 2003, against the Marlins. Here's the box score. Pretty crazy game. Carl Pavano started for the Marlins and gave up six hits and in a row and was removed. Michael Tejera came on and gave up four hits and a walk to the first five batters he faced and was removed. Finally, Allen Levrault entered and retired the 12th batter of the inning for the first out.

And then gave up a single, walk, flyball, walk, double, walk and single, only escaping the inning when Bill Mueller got thrown at home plate. The Red Sox sent 19 batters to the plate -- Johnny Damon got three hits in the inning -- and got 13 hits and 14 runs. Imagine if you couldn't find a parking space and showed up in the second inning. The Red Sox would pound out 28 hits that and the Marlins would throw 252 pitches. The game took 4 hours and 7 minutes to play (some things about the Red Sox haven't changed).

The Marlins, of course, went on to win the World Series.

What struck me, however, was the potency of that Red Sox lineup, a reminder of how much the game has changed in just 10 years. Bill Mueller hit eighth that day (he hit seventh or eighth much of the time that season); he would be the American League batting champion in 2003. He had a .938 OPS, which would rank fifth in the majors right now. Jason Varitek hit ninth. He would finish the season hitting .273 with 25 home runs and a slugging percentage over .500. His .863 OPS would currently rank ninth in the AL in 2013. He hit ninth for the Red Sox that postseason. Repeat. Ninth. Six members of that lineup would rank in the top 10 of AL hitters this year based on their OPS.

That 25-run outburst came in the middle of an amazing stretch of offense for the Red Sox. In an 11-game period from June 24 to July 5, they hit .347 and averaged 9.5 runs per game, scoring 10 or more six times. They scored 10-plus runs 24 times that year, compared to 15 this season when they lead the majors in runs scored.

Of course, to be fair, that was an all-time great offense -- their .851 OPS is the highest of any team since 1950 (edging out the 1996 Mariners at .850). The Red Sox scored 961 runs, eighth-most since 1950. Still, the average AL team scored 788 runs in 2003 compared to 721 in 2012.

Across the majors, 48 players slugged .500 in 2003 compared to 20 doing it right now.

Anyway, you get the idea, and you can formulate your own reasons as to how and why the game has changed -- better pitching, fewer PEDs, too much home run-or-nothing approaches at the plate. But it's clear: 2003 was a different era, and it wasn't that long ago.
 

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other than that somewhat significant Dave Roberts steal in the 2004 ALCS

How did that work out?

I saw that stat too. I think the record is 37 or 38 consecutive. What I found amazing is that the 1985 Cardinals were on the list TWICE. They had both a 27 and also a 33 SB streak in 1985. That was a running team with Coleman, McGee, Herr, Ozzie, and even Andy Van Slyke.
 

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You are right, I do not play fantasy football. The reasons: I do not know as much about football as I do baseball, so, if I don't have a real good handle of the game and players, why play. That, and the once a week roster changing strikes me as boring ( did I mention that I tend to shy away from the easy way out? ). For me and fantasy baseball, it is a 2-3 hours time investment each and every day for 9 months.

That was what I was trying to stay, and what I was speaking to and trying to get across.

Oh i know bigd i prefer daily myself but football has no daily leagues since most games are on sunday and u can study stats 8 hours a day and still not win in fantasy due to other factors:suds:
 

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true, i just remember theo talking about how steals really don't mean much over the course of a year

ironic, since a steal was maybe the one biggest single thing that happened in the 2004 post season for the Sox

that started it all.......and he was only safe by inches, and almost picked off twice before he took off


Easy to say, when your team is built around the 3 run homer. And, for a team full of boppers, steals are not that important, or, just much less so.

However, if your team is fully of Slappy McSingles hitters, the stolen base is VERY important, and your best friend.

It's all about who you are as to what is impotrant to you
 

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true, i just remember theo talking about how steals really don't mean much over the course of a year

ironic, since a steal was maybe the one biggest single thing that happened in the 2004 post season for the Sox

that started it all.......and he was only safe by inches, and almost picked off twice before he took off

Bobby Cox in the last 10 years of his coaching career based his entire offensive strategy around the HR
 

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true, i just remember theo talking about how steals really don't mean much over the course of a year

ironic, since a steal was maybe the one biggest single thing that happened in the 2004 post season for the Sox

that started it all.......and he was only safe by inches, and almost picked off twice before he took off

They have significance. They are just higher risk. Getting Caught stealing hurts worse than a Stolen Base benefits. Some teams play it conservative and preach not stealing very often.

Obviously not a problem when you are stealing 37 of 38.
 

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The Red Sox scored 20 runs last night, which prompted me to check the last they did that: It was 2003, against the Marlins. Here's the box score. Pretty crazy game. Carl Pavano started for the Marlins and gave up six hits and in a row and was removed. Michael Tejera came on and gave up four hits and a walk to the first five batters he faced and was removed. Finally, Allen Levrault entered and retired the 12th batter of the inning for the first out.

And then gave up a single, walk, flyball, walk, double, walk and single, only escaping the inning when Bill Mueller got thrown at home plate. The Red Sox sent 19 batters to the plate -- Johnny Damon got three hits in the inning -- and got 13 hits and 14 runs. Imagine if you couldn't find a parking space and showed up in the second inning. The Red Sox would pound out 28 hits that and the Marlins would throw 252 pitches. The game took 4 hours and 7 minutes to play (some things about the Red Sox haven't changed).

The Marlins, of course, went on to win the World Series.

What struck me, however, was the potency of that Red Sox lineup, a reminder of how much the game has changed in just 10 years. Bill Mueller hit eighth that day (he hit seventh or eighth much of the time that season); he would be the American League batting champion in 2003. He had a .938 OPS, which would rank fifth in the majors right now. Jason Varitek hit ninth. He would finish the season hitting .273 with 25 home runs and a slugging percentage over .500. His .863 OPS would currently rank ninth in the AL in 2013. He hit ninth for the Red Sox that postseason. Repeat. Ninth. Six members of that lineup would rank in the top 10 of AL hitters this year based on their OPS.

That 25-run outburst came in the middle of an amazing stretch of offense for the Red Sox. In an 11-game period from June 24 to July 5, they hit .347 and averaged 9.5 runs per game, scoring 10 or more six times. They scored 10-plus runs 24 times that year, compared to 15 this season when they lead the majors in runs scored.

Of course, to be fair, that was an all-time great offense -- their .851 OPS is the highest of any team since 1950 (edging out the 1996 Mariners at .850). The Red Sox scored 961 runs, eighth-most since 1950. Still, the average AL team scored 788 runs in 2003 compared to 721 in 2012.

Across the majors, 48 players slugged .500 in 2003 compared to 20 doing it right now.

Anyway, you get the idea, and you can formulate your own reasons as to how and why the game has changed -- better pitching, fewer PEDs, too much home run-or-nothing approaches at the plate. But it's clear: 2003 was a different era, and it wasn't that long ago.

the game the next night, Sox were leading 9-6 top of nine, Mike Lowell hit a grand slam and Sox lost 10-9. Dont remember who was pitching

Just remember following it on ESPN game cast, and when I hit refresh I was like "WHAT THE FUCK!"


"Cool story, bro"
 

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Oh i know bigd i prefer daily myself but football has no daily leagues since most games are on sunday and u can study stats 8 hours a day and still not win in fantasy due to other factors:suds:


As I am sadly proving to myself this year........:bawling:

Still, I seek the time investment as opposed to being opposed to it.
 

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the game the next night, Sox were leading 9-6 top of nine, Mike Lowell hit a grand slam and Sox lost 10-9. Dont remember who was pitching

Just remember following it on ESPN game cast, and when I hit refresh I was like "WHAT THE FUCK!"


"Cool story, bro"


Cool is only a matter of opinion.

Signed,

The guy that had and started Pavano that night.......:bawling:
 

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Easy to say, when your team is built around the 3 run homer. And, for a team full of boppers, steals are not that important, or, just much less so.

However, if your team is fully of Slappy McSingles hitters, the stolen base is VERY important, and your best friend.

It's all about who you are as to what is impotrant to you

theo got him specifically to pinch run, pretty sure he was 21-21 or something like that stealing that year for the Padres before he was let go

thats another guy will never have to buy another drink for himself in Boston
 

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The Marlins, of course, went on to win the World Series.

The 2003 Sox team would have beaten the Marlins in the WS if it wasn't for Aaron F-ing Boone. I have absolutely no doubts about that. Their lineup would have slapped around that kiddie corp pitching staff.

Actually, if it wasn't for Grady Little sticking with a fading Pedro too long.
 

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Cool is only a matter of opinion.

Signed,

The guy that had and started Pavano that night.......:bawling:

I cant even remember who was on my 2003 fantasy baseball team
 

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the game the next night, Sox were leading 9-6 top of nine, Mike Lowell hit a grand slam and Sox lost 10-9. Dont remember who was pitching

Just remember following it on ESPN game cast, and when I hit refresh I was like "WHAT THE FUCK!"


"Cool story, bro"


At least you know we don't care
 

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Bigd i am curious about something in the yahoo leagues 2+3 they have a different line up set time Was 3 an experiment or a mistake? I prefer 3 cause u can actually pick up guys u know are playing that day:suds:
 

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I cant even remember who was on my 2003 fantasy baseball team

I had Carlton Fisk & George Brett on my 1990 team.

Have you noticed I am a bit into this, and take fantasy ball probably WAY too seriously?
 

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Bigd i am curious about something in the yahoo leagues 2+3 they have a different line up set time Was 3 an experiment or a mistake? I prefer 3 cause u can actually pick up guys u know are playing that day:suds:

I had to make the change to league # 3 to get my final guy to agree to play. And, I HATE IT. On the West Coast, this screws up my change time bug time, and I tend to miss on moves, just because I have to wait till the nextday to make them, and, all the East Coast guys have a 3 hour head start on me for changes.
 

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Hey, can't a guy get a little sleep around here? Wait... what time is it? :omg:

Rough nite, gents. How's it goin? Let me grab a beer and I'll be right back... :suds:
 
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