Comparing coaches

[corn train]

1. If bo is fired no new starting head coaches are gonna get a look
2. Frost doesn't want Nebraska to be his first HC job
3. Lol remember how got treated in 96

Last but not least we need a coach that know the culture and still know how use every tool to get back to the top and not right media or feed us recruiting excuses.

But I would like to see frost at another school OC wise so he can get to a HC position.

Beware, OD also likes to use peanut butter in his traps as well

 

[HuskerPower52]

Explain to me how a head coach is defferent the a Coordinator JJM

 

[HuskerPower52]

You don't think that Bo had a learning curve? The difference is he is learning where a HC who's been there knows what worked in all facets not just one. I would think there is a big difference between taking a defense to a NC and taking a team.

Even giving you that though I believe that last 2 years were so painful specifically because of experiencing the uphill side of the learning curve.

At least I hope it was because if not then we will be looking for a new coach in the next couple of years.

I dont see youre point,When did I say Bo didnt or doesnt have a learning curve? All coaches are continuosly learning. I think you are grossly understating the responabilitys on every level of coaching staff it takes to get to a national championship.

Bob stoops comes in and wins a National championship in year one but hasnt dont much since besides a few confrence championships. Bob won one, but hasnt since has he forgotten all the facets it takes to win a national championship in youre book? I dont think so. You dont think Bo wasnt learning the curves and facets under Les miles on how to get to a national championship?

The fact that he hasnt won one as a head coach doesnt mean he doesnt know how. It just means he hasnt yet. I mean he is only one guy and if his coaching staff and recruits would not be continously pouched out from under him maybe it would have jelled faster. That statment alone must mean he knows what he is doing as a head coach if people are continously stealing his talent. JMO

 

[HuskerInSecLand]

As soon as I wrote that I knew I was off. There are a lot of head coaches out there who have not played a NC but would be excellent candidates.

So yeah you are right Pelini got experience as a DC in the NC games that he can use as HC. It still is not the same as an experienced HC though. You gain experience as a DC but it can't be the same.

An analogy would be a VP of HR and a CEO. Yeah that VP has experience managing parts of the company and gets input from the CEO but it is not the same as the CEO day in day out making decisions that effect the entire company, virtually determining how one sectors actions effect anthers. This VP may one day get a job as CEO of a small company and do a great job. I would not expect them to go from VP to CEP of Microsoft though. Microsoft will hire someone with proven experience. Experience acquired in that position in a smaller company.

We are Microsoft and we don't need to be teaching people how to be CEO, we need to be hiring proven candidates.

I retract the NC requirement. I should of known some pit bull would grab that and shake the shit out of it I sure as hell don't want another first time HC hiring first time assistants.



You can guarantee when they ask me I will tell them too.

 

[HuskerPower52]

I see what you are saying I only ask what company was bill gates and Steve jobs running before Microsoft

 

[tometom]

I don't think the HC necessarily needs experience but he needs to have a better plan. I'm not sure what Bo's plan was, but he probably should have just fired Watson and chose his own OC from the beginning. He had talent his first years and that was clear in the way he was able to turn around the defense but he did a piss poor job of recruiting. Now some of that was needing to throw a class together in his first year, but some of his first classes was him thinking he could turn a 2 star in to a 5 star. Well, I think he's figured that out now, that might work for a few positions and once in awhile but you can't have a roster full of them.

I've said this elsewhere, but I often wonder how the BC era would have turned out if he just would have been smart enough to keep Pelini as DC. but can't really think about that now.

 

[HuskerInSecLand]

I see what you are saying I only ask what company was bill gates and Steve jobs running before Microsoft

I think Gates was a small company in his garage

 

[HuskerInSecLand]

I don't think the HC necessarily needs experience but he needs to have a better plan. I'm not sure what Bo's plan was, but he probably should have just fired Watson and chose his own OC from the beginning. He had talent his first years and that was clear in the way he was able to turn around the defense but he did a piss poor job of recruiting. Now some of that was needing to throw a class together in his first year, but some of his first classes was him thinking he could turn a 2 star in to a 5 star. Well, I think he's figured that out now, that might work for a few positions and once in awhile but you can't have a roster full of them.

I've said this elsewhere, but I often wonder how the BC era would have turned out if he just would have been smart enough to keep Pelini as DC. but can't really think about that now.

And I equate those to the learning curve.

An experienced HC would have insisted he be able to bring in his own staff. That was a huge mistake. Not saying Watson is that bad as an OC but he and Bo were not on the same page.

Not sure what happened on the recruiting. He either didn't know who he wanted or left it up to those who didn't.

I think he originally was hands on in certain areas of confidence or possibly areas of need, like the defense originally and left others to assistants.
That is fine but you got to have oversight and this may have been the original problem with the offense and recruiting.

When he focused on the offense it stepped up.

I think recruiting is looking up. We will always lose a majority of who we go after, that's just the nature of the game, especially when you are not West Coast or SEC. But we are getting promising recruits. Now the next step is to see them developed.

Anyway the learning curve I referred to;
Offense, Recruiting and then defense when offense became his focus.

Play calling and sideline demeanor were costly in many games. Is that fixed? Play calling may take a while. We seem to be very easy to adjust to, if that makes sense.

The point is these are the things that an experienced HC would not have to learn and probably the things that have prevented us from winning a CCG and making it to BCS bowls though. If we were to hire new I surely hope we won't have a 7 year training period.

 

[Red_Alert]

Not really seeing the SportsHoopla with Bo at Oklahoma. He was co-DC w/ Venables there in 2004.

They gave up 35 points to Oklahoma St (7-5) and Texas A&M (7-5) in narrow wins.

OU was then crushed 19-55 by USC in the national championship.

Oklahoma St lost the Alamo Bowl to Ohio St 7-33
Texas A&M lost the Cotton Bowl to Tennessee 7-38

 

[blkflagmafia]

I don't think the HC necessarily needs experience but he needs to have a better plan. I'm not sure what Bo's plan was, but he probably should have just fired Watson and chose his own OC from the beginning. He had talent his first years and that was clear in the way he was able to turn around the defense but he did a piss poor job of recruiting. Now some of that was needing to throw a class together in his first year, but some of his first classes was him thinking he could turn a 2 star in to a 5 star. Well, I think he's figured that out now, that might work for a few positions and once in awhile but you can't have a roster full of them.

I've said this elsewhere, but I often wonder how the BC era would have turned out if he just would have been smart enough to keep Pelini as DC. but can't really think about that now.

I feel like bo got cocky then it got real once we got into the big ten and the front 7 was exposed

I will say this if we were in the big12 I think bo does better. I honestly believe he is a good at stoping the wide open pass happy spread. The run had killed him since suh left

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Explain to me how a head coach is defferent the a Coordinator JJM

Ye are shittin me, right?

 

[Red_Alert]

LSU had 2 losses in their 2007 NC season with Bo as DC.

Kentucky 37-43 (Kentucky 27 in regulation, 16 in triple OT)
Arkansas 48-50 (Arkansas 28 in regulation, 22 in triple OT)

They gave up 34 in regulation to Saban's first year Alabama team.

Keep in mind Bo had DT Glenn Dorsey.

First team All-American (2006, 2007)
First team All-SEC (2006, 2007)
SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2007)
Lombardi Award (2007)
Outland Trophy ((2007)
Bronco Nagurski Trophy (2007)
Lott Trophy (2007)

1st Round (5th pick) NFL draft.

Suh and Dorsey quality players really made Bo look good.

 

[Red_Alert]

Explain to me how a head coach is defferent the a Coordinator JJM

I'll take a stab at that if I may.

College football is littered with great coordinators that went on to fail as head coaches.

 

[blkflagmafia]

LSU had 2 losses in their 2007 NC season with Bo as DC.

Kentucky 37-43 (Kentucky 27 in regulation, 16 in triple OT)
Arkansas 48-50 (Arkansas 28 in regulation, 22 in triple OT)

They gave up 34 in regulation to Saban's first year Alabama team.

Keep in mind Bo had DT Glenn Dorsey.

First team All-American (2006, 2007)
First team All-SEC (2006, 2007)
SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2007)
Lombardi Award (2007)
Outland Trophy ((2007)
Bronco Nagurski Trophy (2007)
Lott Trophy (2007)

1st Round (5th pick) NFL draft.

Suh and Dorsey quality players really made Bo look good.

But bo acts like he made those players

When it's showing they had it all along and just needed to buy a little bit into bo system

If we don't get a suh like player or good DL bo system really doesn't work no matter how many good corners we have . It starts with the line... That why their pushing so hard for VV to step up but that doesn't sound like that gonna happen.

 

[Red_Alert]

But bo acts like he made those players

When it's showing they had it all along and just needed to buy a little bit into bo system

If we don't get a suh like player or good DL bo system really doesn't work no matter how many good corners we have . It starts with the line... That why their pushing so hard for VV to step up but that doesn't sound like that gonna happen.

Well Bo contradicts himself, because he's on record (when he got here) for saying Suh was the strongest player he'd ever seen.
Motor + Strength = Blow people up.

I find it funny that Dobson even takes credit in his bio for developing Suh. He hasn't developed much else in the trenches.

 

[HuskerPower52]

I'll take a stab at that if I may.

College football is littered with great coordinators that went on to fail as head coaches.

I am not buying it. I think coordinators have just as much skin in the game as head coaches

 

[HuskerInSecLand]

I am not buying it. I think coordinators have just as much skin in the game as head coaches

Well I sure hope Papuchis isn't making the decisions for us.

 

[Red_Alert]

I am not buying it. I think coordinators have just as much skin in the game as head coaches

Coordinators have a lot of skin in the game for sure, but head coach is a different level of management. A good coordinator does not automatically equate to being a good head coach. It's been proven over and over again.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Head Coaches don't get paid 10 times the amount as their Coordinators do simply because they are the face of the program. As a Coordinator your job is to coordinate your unit. As a Head Coach your job is to not get yourself thrown off of a 5th story balcony by some crazy fan.

There are about 1,000 more responsibilities that take place behind the scenes for a Head Coach. What they do on the sidelines during a game isn't even 1% of their job.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Bo admittedly has failed at several of those respnsibilities, though he claims he is getting better.

We shall see.