Comparing coaches

[jedburks]

With that booster opening his big fat mouth the other day, the comparison of Bo and Osborne has started up agin. Because of that, I wanted to look at what matters, losses. I had a guy on FB the other day say the bad losses are probably comparable between Osborne's first 5 years to Bo's. Well, I think comparing coaches from 40 years ago to today's coaches is fucking dumb but I thought "what the hell, I will indulge him". I also threw in Solich's first 5 years and Billy C's 4 years. Now I am only looking at the losses in the first 5 years of Osborne, Solich, the 4 years of Billy, and Bo's 5 years to make it as comparable as possible.

Points lost by:
Osborne: 11.3 ppg
Solich: 13.1
Bo: 14.6
Billy: 17.6

Opponents score in the loss:
Osborne: 25.6 ppg
Solich: 32.8
Bo: 34.5
Billy: 38.2

Times the opponent won by 21+ points:
Osborne: 3
Solich: 4
Bo: 7
Billy: 8

Times the opponent scored 30+ points in the loss:
Osborne: 4
Solich: 7
Bo: 12
Billy: 15

Losses to unranked teams:
Osborne: 5
Solich: 5
Bo: 8
Billy: 12

Points lost by with just the opponents that were unranked at the time:
Osborne: 6.6 ppg
Bo: 11.8
Solich: 13.2
Billy: 19

Opponents score in the losses versus unranked teams:
Osborne: 24.4
Solich: 29.4
Bo- 31
Billy: 41.2

Ok, now looking at the average ranking of the teams was kind of hard because not everyone was ranked so any team that was not ranked got a ranking of 26.

Average ranking of opponent in the losses:
Osborne: 14.4
Solich: 14.8
Bo: 16.1
Billy: 18.1

Nebraska's final ranking of the season:
Osborne: 9.2
Solich: 12.8
Bo: 21.8
Billy: 25.5

Bo was in third of virtually every one of those. And this breaking news, Billy C was fucking AWFUL!!!!!!!!

 

[HuskerinBig10]

cools stats

I think Osborne's first five years, the rankings only were the TOP 20 and that was for both the UPI and the AP polls.

What that means, you should not have been able to find any teams ranked 21 - 25, if my old memory is still functioning.

Another argument against points is back in Osborne's day running backs were the key, even in the NFL. Once the 1990s rolled around, college began to get pass happy. Now, it is a completely pass happy college football game.

And Billy C and Kevin C both still suck. Kevin Cosgrove quite possibly is the worst coach ever in the last ten years. Didn't Kevin C go to Akron or something and led that defense to the WORST defense in the country? I won't even waste my time goggling Cosgrove because i will get sidetracked.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

I think it at least merits mentioning how awful Callahan was.

Nebraska's record the year before the coach took over:
Osborne: 9-2-1
Pelini: 5-7
Callahan: 10-3
Solich: 13-0

 

[OregonDucks]

There are small small fumes flickering around here that Scott Frost is eyeing the next HC job at Nebraska.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

There are small small fumes flickering around here that Scott Frost is eyeing the next HC job at Nebraska.

it's not open, so i hope he's not holding his breath.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Osborne took over a top-tier Championship contending Football team.

Bo took over one of the worst College Football teams in the country

This is exactly why the comparison cannot be made.

 

[oaknightshockey1]

^^so did solich

 

[HuskerInSecLand]

There are small small fumes flickering around here that Scott Frost is eyeing the next HC job at Nebraska.

Nobody is looking here but if they were I sure as hell hope they would have learned about the growing pains associated with hiring inexperienced head coaches.

If and when we hire our next head coach he needs to have a NC game under his belt already.

 

[jedburks]

Nobody is looking here but if they were I sure as hell hope they would have learned about the growing pains associated with hiring inexperienced head coaches.

If and when we hire our next head coach he needs to have a NC game under his belt already.

For some weird reason, I really like the way all that sounds.

 

[Driaz]

With that booster opening his big fat mouth the other day, the comparison of Bo and Osborne has started up agin. Because of that, I wanted to look at what matters, losses. I had a guy on FB the other day say the bad losses are probably comparable between Osborne's first 5 years to Bo's. Well, I think comparing coaches from 40 years ago to today's coaches is fucking dumb but I thought "what the hell, I will indulge him". I also threw in Solich's first 5 years and Billy C's 4 years. Now I am only looking at the losses in the first 5 years of Osborne, Solich, the 4 years of Billy, and Bo's 5 years to make it as comparable as possible.

Points lost by:
Osborne: 11.3 ppg
Solich: 13.1
Bo: 14.6
Billy: 17.6

Opponents score in the loss:
Osborne: 25.6 ppg
Solich: 32.8
Bo: 34.5
Billy: 38.2

Times the opponent won by 21+ points:
Osborne: 3
Solich: 4
Bo: 7
Billy: 8

Times the opponent scored 30+ points in the loss:
Osborne: 4
Solich: 7
Bo: 12
Billy: 15

Losses to unranked teams:
Osborne: 5
Solich: 5
Bo: 8
Billy: 12

Points lost by with just the opponents that were unranked at the time:
Osborne: 6.6 ppg
Bo: 11.8
Solich: 13.2
Billy: 19

Opponents score in the losses versus unranked teams:
Osborne: 24.4
Solich: 29.4
Bo- 31
Billy: 41.2

Ok, now looking at the average ranking of the teams was kind of hard because not everyone was ranked so any team that was not ranked got a ranking of 26.

Average ranking of opponent in the losses:
Osborne: 14.4
Solich: 14.8
Bo: 16.1
Billy: 18.1

Nebraska's final ranking of the season:
Osborne: 9.2
Solich: 12.8
Bo: 21.8
Billy: 25.5

Bo was in third of virtually every one of those. And this breaking news, Billy C was fucking AWFUL!!!!!!!!

This right here is the most important thing. I think the methodology you implemented is valid to look at for Solich, dickhead, and Pelini because they were close enough in time and no major changes in college football occured.....(arguably Solich coached somewhat during some of the transformation of the game from power running to vertical pass happy offenses by many of the other teams in the conference.)

What would be interesting is if you could create some sort of index to baseline their numbers tied to the average scoring of the rest of football, particularly to conference scoring averages of the time, but I suspect that would take a lot of time to calculate all those numbers.....have at it Jed!.....LOL

I'm guessing Osborne's numbers wouldn't look so drastically better due to the overall lower scoring of the time period.

Also of note as was pointed out by JJM, Pelini is the only one of the coaches to take over a bad Husker team....

I still think it's unacceptable for a defensive "genius" to have so many blow out losses.....

 

[HuskerPower52]

Bo coached in 2 national championship games out and lsu

 

[Driaz]

Bo coached in 2 national championship games out and lsu

Not as head coach, which is what he was referring to.....

 

[jedburks]

This right here is the most important thing. I think the methodology you implemented is valid to look at for Solich, dickhead, and Pelini because they were close enough in time and no major changes in college football occured.....(arguably Solich coached somewhat during some of the transformation of the game from power running to vertical pass happy offenses by many of the other teams in the conference.)

What would be interesting is if you could create some sort of index to baseline their numbers tied to the average scoring of the rest of football, particularly to conference scoring averages of the time, but I suspect that would take a lot of time to calculate all those numbers.....have at it Jed!.....LOL

I'm guessing Osborne's numbers wouldn't look so drastically better due to the overall lower scoring of the time period.

Also of note as was pointed out by JJM, Pelini is the only one of the coaches to take over a bad Husker team....

I still think it's unacceptable for a defensive "genius" to have so many blow out losses.....

I will get a baseline for you ASAP. I am just getting off work and will start on it when I get home.

 

[nebearsfan70]

Bo sucks.


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[psaboy]

[QUOTE I still think it's unacceptable for a defensive "genius" to have so many blow out losses.....[/QUOTE]

NAILED IT

 

[jedburks]

Well, I couldn't really find a baseline in scoring for the 70s.

The only info I found was that last year broke the record for scoring average with 29.27 ppg. The previous record was 28.4 in 2007. Previous to 2007, the national average went above 26.9 only twice since 1937.

If someone can find a spreadsheet of the 70s scoring then I could do the rest.

 

[HuskerPower52]

Not as head coach, which is what he was referring to.....

whats the difference he still got them there on defense.........................................................



also the only ppl calling Bo a defensive genius are announcers and other coaches its not like Bo is driving around L-town with a personalized lisence plate saying DfensGeenS Plus Papuchis is the Dcord. And yes I kknow that Bo is still hands on with the defense.

My only concerns with Bo is the talent that he is bringing in on defense. And the SnC coach I wish we had Alabamas SnC coach that guy is a animal.


Jed thanks for the stats.

 

[HuskerInSecLand]

whats the difference he still got them there on defense.........................................................



also the only ppl calling Bo a defensive genius are announcers and other coaches its not like Bo is driving around L-town with a personalized lisence plate saying DfensGeenS Plus Papuchis is the Dcord. And yes I kknow that Bo is still hands on with the defense.

My only concerns with Bo is the talent that he is bringing in on defense. And the SnC coach I wish we had Alabamas SnC coach that guy is a animal.


Jed thanks for the stats.

You don't think that Bo had a learning curve? The difference is he is learning where a HC who's been there knows what worked in all facets not just one. I would think there is a big difference between taking a defense to a NC and taking a team.

Even giving you that though I believe that last 2 years were so painful specifically because of experiencing the uphill side of the learning curve.

At least I hope it was because if not then we will be looking for a new coach in the next couple of years.

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Head Coach and Defensive Coordinator are 2 completely different positions, 52.....

If anything, good for Les Miles for putting Pelini is place where he fits.

Pelini has not yet fit for a whole season as a Head Coach, however. I'm hoping this year he gets it all figured out. He has fit the part here and there, and then other times in each season he has been here he has failed.

 

[blkflagmafia]

There are small small fumes flickering around here that Scott Frost is eyeing the next HC job at Nebraska.

1. If bo is fired no new starting head coaches are gonna get a look
2. Frost doesn't want Nebraska to be his first HC job
3. Lol remember how got treated in 96

Last but not least we need a coach that know the culture and still know how use every tool to get back to the top and not right media or feed us recruiting excuses.

But I would like to see frost at another school OC wise so he can get to a HC position.