commanders off season thread 2023

[deanpet21]

Of course, they traded for Wince, and no they didn't HAVE to play him...they wanted to, just to prove to the NFL world that they were smarter than everyone else, but they weren't. Hell, they weren't smarter than some of the posters here who were absolutely against the trade.

When you openly declare that your newly drafted rookie "wasn't ready" and the only other active player was Heinicke, who else did they have that gave them "the best chance to win?"
I know that you said that you don't believe that nonsense, but again there's proof...

Start Sam Howell? Commanders QB 'Still Learning', Says …​

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WebThe Washington Commanders are beginning their preparation against the Green Bay Packers today, and Taylor Heinicke will take the first-team reps in practice. Heinicke was …

To your point, here's why I continue to return to the time before the trade...

The trade was irresponsible, we all know that now and I believe that even you would admit this in hindsight...correct?

Would it have been equally irresponsible to not give those other 52 guys in the locker room their best chance to win, considering their well-established confidence in Heinicke versus what little was known of Howell?

So, knowing what you now know, you appear to be OK with irresponsible thing #1...the trade, and would have given your approval to irresponsible thing #2,... not giving your guys the best chance that they had to win by starting Howell...correct?

What do you suppose would have happened if the league "ruined" Howell before he had a fair chance to prove himself? I don't think that Rivera was ready to destroy a second young QB.

solid points but they could of gave Howell a shot in the GB game. If he struggled, they could have always gone back to TH. If he played well, he will be further into his development than he is now. It was a chance that I was willing to take. I didnt say name Howell the starter for the whole season. They could have taken it as a game-by-game basis.

Now we are in a worst situation b/c RR decided to play TH, which is probably not on the roster this year. Im thinking big picture.

 

[skinsdad62]

solid points but they could of gave Howell a shot in the GB game. If he struggled, they could have always gone back to TH. If he played well, he will be further into his development than he is now. It was a chance that I was willing to take. I didnt say name Howell the starter for the whole season. They could have taken it as a game-by-game basis.

Now we are in a worst situation b/c RR decided to play TH, which is probably not on the roster this year. Im thinking big picture.

I don’t believe that he would be any further along . He was handled as he should have been . He didn’t beat out Falco

 

[deanpet21]

I don’t believe that he would be any further along . He was handled as he should have been . He didn’t beat out Falco

of course, he would, he would have more in game experience. That matters.

 

[duke1861]

First I am going to quote dcrising .... Why are we going over last year?

RR is not the worst coach in the league, nor is he the best. He is mediocre.

No matter how long they both play Wentz is better than Heinicke. It might not have shown last year but there is metric you can show me that I

Well, I have that answer but I am staying out of this one.

 

[skinsdad62]

of course, he would, he would have more in game experience. That matters.

No not really

 

[Stymietee]

solid points but they could of gave Howell a shot in the GB game. If he struggled, they could have always gone back to TH. If he played well, he will be further into his development than he is now. It was a chance that I was willing to take. I didnt say name Howell the starter for the whole season. They could have taken it as a game-by-game basis.

Now we are in a worst situation b/c RR decided to play TH, which is probably not on the roster this year. Im thinking big picture.

I believe that Rivera fell two years behind when he let the Bears leapfrog his organization to take Fields. (I wrote about it at the time on this board) For everyone posting here who are of the mindset that this team draft a QB every year until they find their guy, you'd have to ask... why did they wait until year three of his 5 year contract to begin doing exactly that.

 

[Stymietee]

of course, he would, he would have more in game experience. That matters.

If you have a mindset geared towards satisfying a long-running quandary at the most important position in the game, you don't bring in the likes of Ryan Fitzpatrick and Carson Wince in successive years.

 

[deanpet21]

I believe that Rivera fell two years behind when he let the Bears leapfrog his organization to take Fields. (I wrote about it at the time on this board) For everyone posting here who are of the mindset that this team draft a QB every year until they find their guy, you'd have to ask... why did they wait until year three of his 5 year contract to begin doing exactly that.

many factors, im not getting into that.

 

[deanpet21]

If you have a mindset geared towards satisfying a long-running quandary at the most important position in the game, you don't bring in the likes of Ryan Fitzpatrick and Carson Wince in successive years.

alot of teams bring in vet qb's. Not every team strikes it rich in the draft with QB

 

[Stymietee]

many factors, im not getting into that.

Fair enough, but there are 52 guys in those yearly locker rooms with dreams of playing in the big game, maximizing their limited earning potential, and depending on the organization to do what's asked of them...

 

[Stymietee]

alot of teams bring in vet qb's. Not every team strikes it rich in the draft with QB

How many bring in washed-up vet QBs two years in a row?

 

[deanpet21]

How many bring in washed-up vet QBs two years in a row?

you got me there, but I saw the mindset was to build the defense and role with vet qb's. You leave out that both guys got injured and Fitz was week 1. Not that many teams or coaches can win in this league when they constantly loose QB1's.

 

[Stymietee]

you got me there, but I saw the mindset was to build the defense and role with vet qb's. You leave out that both guys got injured and Fitz was week 1. Not that many teams or coaches can win in this league when they constantly loose QB1's.

I get rolling with veteran QBs, but never with either of those two under any circumstance.

I literally predicted the fact that Fitzpatrick wouldn't take a snap for this team and missed it by 15 snaps which became the more difficult call of the two. Expecting then predicting the failure of Carson Wince was far easier because of his track record.

No team in this league can win when they don't have at minimum a serviceable QB, these guys get paid a lot of money to know the difference between elevating a career backup (Fitzpatrick) and a guy who consistently fails (Wince) to QB1.

 

[deanpet21]

I get rolling with veteran QBs, but never with either of those two under any circumstance.

I literally predicted the fact that Fitzpatrick wouldn't take a snap for this team and missed it by 15 snaps which became the more difficult call of the two. Expecting then predicting the failure of Carson Wince was far easier because of his track record.

No team in this league can win when they don't have at minimum a serviceable QB, these guys get paid a lot of money to know the difference between elevating a career backup (Fitzpatrick) and a guy who consistently fails (Wince) to QB1.

Fitz are shown that he was a serviceable QB for years. We got unlucky with the injury. CW they took a huge risk on with draft picks, but they saw potential with his ability. Unfortunately, his mentality hasn't changed. Alex Smith was a proven vet and again career ending injury, ended his time here.

Bottom line is that most of the QB1's here all had injury and you just can't win like that in this league. RR tried to trade for Stafford and Wilson but was outbid. The initiative was there we just can't hit. What i don't like about RR this year was his in-game mgt and the way he handled last year QB situation.

 

[skinsdad62]

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Fitz are shown that he was a serviceable QB for years. We got unlucky with the injury. CW they took a huge risk on with draft picks, but they saw potential with his ability. Unfortunately, his mentality hasn't changed. Alex Smith was a proven vet and again career ending injury, ended his time here.

Bottom line is that most of the QB1's here all had injury and you just can't win like that in this league. RR tried to trade for Stafford and Wilson but was outbid. The initiative was there we just can't hit. What i don't like about RR this year was his in-game mgt and the way he handled last year QB situation.

predicted CDC would get injured , it’s the age of them that causes issues

 

[deanpet21]

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predicted CDC would get injured , it’s the age of them that causes issues

oh cmon. A. Smith injury was very freaky, and Fitz's was rare too. No young QB could of came back from those injuries. maybe Fitz's not A. Smith.

 

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[duke1861]

Fitz are shown that he was a serviceable QB for years. We got unlucky with the injury. CW they took a huge risk on with draft picks, but they saw potential with his ability. Unfortunately, his mentality hasn't changed. Alex Smith was a proven vet and again career ending injury, ended his time here.

Bottom line is that most of the QB1's here all had injury and you just can't win like that in this league. RR tried to trade for Stafford and Wilson but was outbid. The initiative was there we just can't hit. What i don't like about RR this year was his in-game mgt and the way he handled last year QB situation.

Fitz was a serviceable QB? Outside of Buffalo, he was on 1 and 2-year deals where he was mainly in backup duty. In 17 years in the league, he only started 16 games 3 times. He was primarily a backup....like TH.

Unless I am completely wrong, sounds like you are defending Rivera's decision to bring in Fitz again. It was an irresponsible move and signaled that he was going to delay finding a QB for another year. Rivera apparently was comfortable going in to year 3 with no established long term answer. It was another cardinal sin for this inept front office. Instead of drafting a QB, Rivera brought in a 38 year old journeyman to be the starter. As Sty said, it was a disaster and we all knew it would be...except you.

You still defend Rivera and his front office decisions and I still think you believe Wentz was the solution...but he got hurt.

 

[duke1861]

you got me there, but I saw the mindset was to build the defense and role with vet qb's. You leave out that both guys got injured and Fitz was week 1. Not that many teams or coaches can win in this league when they constantly loose QB1's.

But the mindset was wrong Dean and we told you that. It is NOT being positive as you say...it is common sense. Even if Fitz did start, the offense would still have been bad. You always claim things that aren't true in hindsight. You got angry with me when I disagreed with you that a Commanders led team with Wentz would have swept the Eagles in 2021. Nothing could be further from the truth. Wentz and the Commanders got destroyed this year by the Eagles. You then blamed the OLine for the loss but TH magically got the defense to play better and rallied the OLine. Now you are implying that the 2021 season got derailed by the loss of Fitz in week 1? You fail to address the fact that we had the 25th-ranked defense in 2021.

When you find your team doing the opposite of what other teams are doing...that should be a clue to you. You claim we should be loyal to the coaches and that Rivera has done "fine" with what he has, then you come on here and confess you are confused. Which one is it?

 

[skinsdad62]

oh cmon. A. Smith injury was very freaky, and Fitz's was rare too. No young QB could of came back from those injuries. maybe Fitz's not A. Smith.

Both older both with injuries no matter how freaky it was