Commanders News thread

[skinsdad62]

Chase Young is run of the mill until he isnt, just like all DLinemen. Payne wasnt worth an extension until he was, and CY might elevate his game to pro-bowl status and get himself rewarded with a contract.

Most people would say that a LT, a QB, and at DT are the three most important building blocks for a franchise. The Commanders have one of the three.

So saying that a qb is worth more than a DE is something that I would agree with in general.

CY was supposedly a can’t-miss, generational talent. If they had selected Herbert instead, they would have been crucified for passing on a “cant miss” prospect.

If he elevates his game to approach his status, then he’ll get paid and the commanders will probably be in the playoffs.

On the other hand, if CY is mediocre, and if Sam Howell plays average qb who keeps the defenses honest, then the Commanders will definitely be in the playoffs.

Here’s hoping for both.

originally you would be correct because however the moment herbert showed what he was that would have ended dissent . so far it clear he isnt a generational talent or better yet hasnt shown it

 

[skinsdad62]

chase had a great first year and doing ok in his second year till he blew out his knee.only played about 3 games last year cause of the injury.we will see if he can bounce back this year if he can,t he is just one of many blown picks in the snyder era.

i would argue he was far from doing OK in yr 2 before the injury . he had 1.5 sacks in 10 games . now the last 3 games of last yr you cant say much because he was getting his feet under him

 

[chillerdab]

originally you would be correct because however the moment herbert showed what he was that would have ended dissent . so far it clear he isnt a generational talent or better yet hasnt shown it

I agree that CY hasnt shown it yet, and the team needs him to be dominant to make the playoff “needle” move towards “likely,” whereas it only needs Howell to be good for the needle to move the same.

In other words good qb play is more important to a team than dominant DE play.

Sure would be great if CY turned into a menace though.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

his best game was in his rookie year against the niners.he gave their qb fits.i think that game won him the roy award.

 

[chillerdab]

The Burrow hit at the goal line was pretty sweet too.

 

[skinsdad62]

is willis a better prospect the Jake Fromm ? That’s why you look at him if he is cut and hell no you don’t trade for him

 

[Sportster 72]

Bingo!

What he said...lol

That had always been my beef with Rivera. He defaults to defense when he has the chance to. He wants an elite defense at all costs...then he looks to build the offense. He uses early picks and spends a tremendous amount of cap on the defense. He uses late round picks and minimum cap on the offense.

You can win with defense such as Bears, Ravens twice and Tampa Bay before Brady. All that said the league is largely led by offense these years with a decent defense.

 

[duke1861]

You can win with defense such as Bears, Ravens twice and Tampa Bay before Brady. All that said the league is largely led by offense these years with a decent defense.

Completely agree and that is why I said the game and modern NFL strategy has passed Rivera by.

Ravens = 2000 and 2012
Bears = 1985
Bucs = 2002

These are all over 10 years old with 2 being over 20 and 1 almost 40 years old. As you said, the league is offensively driven now. The teams that are competing are all pass-heavy offenses. I think 10 of the top 11 passing teams made the playoffs.

I don't have a crystal ball but my guess is that the defenses will take a while to catch up to the pass-happy offenses. Who knows?

 

[gkekoa]

Then my point is valid in that if we truly are a qb away, we literally have gone about it in the most bizarre way possible.

2021= Fitzpatrick
2022 = Wentz
2023 = Howell

That strategy makes no sense to me at all. 2 of those 3 are out of the league. Why did we not sign Derek Carr? Why did we not trade up and get a top qb in the draft? Aaron Rodgers was there for the taking. Qbs should have been banging down the door to come here and be the savior of the team. That didn't happen and I find no evidence from pundits or commanders best writers that claim we are a qb away. I would be happy to check out any analysis or articles if they are out there.

Yes, Rivera is a crappy coach, but he is a crappy GM as well. If what you are saying is true, then Rivera should be fired on the spot on Thursday for failing to secure the missing piece to get us into being relevant. If we are just a qb away, then gambling on a 5th round qb doesn't seem smart. Howell didn't look horrible, but I don't think he looked that good either. Having watched the game and then looking at the stats, I find it impossible to say if he can or can't be a franchise qb in the league. Surely a team that is a qb away wouldn't push all the chips in the middle and bet on Sam howell. That literally makes no sense. If you are a piece away, you get that piece...you don't wait around and develop them and hope they are it.

Also, cosmi was RT last year and LG very well might be worse this year. There is no real talent to take the spot. Charles has been done nothing and paul is a project.

We can afford the team we have because our QB is making hardly anything. We could not afford Carr or Rodgers. We would have been stupid to trade up for the QBs in this draft because none were worth it. We could not have gotten Bryce Young or CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson was not worth the pick. I stated since before the 2022 draft that Sam Howell was the best QB in that draft.


Cosmi started 5 games at RT last season…Lucas was the RT with 12 starts.

Norwell was garbage. Paul played better than Norwell.


I would say you are not being objective. Again, we were a .500 team last season with the worst QBs in the league. That means a good QB makes you a contender.

 

[duke1861]

We can afford the team we have because our QB is making hardly anything. We could not afford Carr or Rodgers. We would have been stupid to trade up for the QBs in this draft because none were worth it. We could not have gotten Bryce Young or CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson was not worth the pick. I stated since before the 2022 draft that Sam Howell was the best QB in that draft.


Cosmi started 5 games at RT last season…Lucas was the RT with 12 starts.

Norwell was garbage. Paul played better than Norwell.


I would say you are not being objective. Again, we were a .500 team last season with the worst QBs in the league. That means a good QB makes you a contender.

So signing Fitzpatrick in 2021 and needlessly trading for Wentz in 2022 was NOT stupid and was the answer? So drafting a QB in 2020 or 2021 was not the way to go to address the QB spot and signing QBs who are currently out of the league was the correct course of action? I am not trying to be difficult, I am simply trying to understand that if we don't have the cap space and the drafts are bad, then none of this is Rivera's fault and we are simply having bad luck? Was the plan or only option to build the rest of the team and wait a few years to get the QB? Seems like a very strange way to go about building a team in the modern NFL.

Rivera has had 4 offseasons to address the QB position and to this point, he still hasn't. We can continue to make excuses for him by saying we don't have the cap or that the drafts were bad. Some of that is true. The 2022 QB draft class was fairly poor. I disagree with Howell being the best QB in that class as I thought Pickett was.

If we don't have the cap room to address the most important position on the field (QB) and we are a QB away allegedly, do you mean to tell me the secret plan is Sam Howell? Interesting. If we can't afford to sign a QB free agent, then who was in charge of the cap? Rivera has been for the past 4 years.

Cosmi was at RT before he got hurt and Lucas had to step in to play RT. That is true. Cosmi has played tackle for most of his career (college and NFL). He was always a tackle at Texas. As such, he will be switching positions to Guard. Who knows how that will work?

Norwell was garbage, that is true. Paul might have played better in limited action, but it is not like he was a beast either.

We had very poor QB play, I agree with that. But we also had poor OLine play as well along with horrible game planning and play calling. Dean said the same thing last year in that we simply needed a QB to make it all click. He was wrong. I showed where every NFC East team either improved or stayed the same and it is widely agreed that we had the worse offseason out of all of the NFC East teams (minus getting rid of Snyder). You can say I am not being objective but I am being realistic. We still have the worst GM, coach, and QB in the division. That doesn't really scream contender in the NFC East. Maybe in the NFC South we could be a threat with the current team.

 

[Sportster 72]

So signing Fitzpatrick in 2021 and needlessly trading for Wentz in 2022 was NOT stupid and was the answer? So drafting a QB in 2020 or 2021 was not the way to go to address the QB spot and signing QBs who are currently out of the league was the correct course of action? I am not trying to be difficult, I am simply trying to understand that if we don't have the cap space and the drafts are bad, then none of this is Rivera's fault and we are simply having bad luck? Was the plan or only option to build the rest of the team and wait a few years to get the QB? Seems like a very strange way to go about building a team in the modern NFL.

Rivera has had 4 offseasons to address the QB position and to this point, he still hasn't. We can continue to make excuses for him by saying we don't have the cap or that the drafts were bad. Some of that is true. The 2022 QB draft class was fairly poor. I disagree with Howell being the best QB in that class as I thought Pickett was.

If we don't have the cap room to address the most important position on the field (QB) and we are a QB away allegedly, do you mean to tell me the secret plan is Sam Howell? Interesting. If we can't afford to sign a QB free agent, then who was in charge of the cap? Rivera has been for the past 4 years.

Cosmi was at RT before he got hurt and Lucas had to step in to play RT. That is true. Cosmi has played tackle for most of his career (college and NFL). He was always a tackle at Texas. As such, he will be switching positions to Guard. Who knows how that will work?

Norwell was garbage, that is true. Paul might have played better in limited action, but it is not like he was a beast either.

We had very poor QB play, I agree with that. But we also had poor OLine play as well along with horrible game planning and play calling. Dean said the same thing last year in that we simply needed a QB to make it all click. He was wrong. I showed where every NFC East team either improved or stayed the same and it is widely agreed that we had the worse offseason out of all of the NFC East teams (minus getting rid of Snyder). You can say I am not being objective but I am being realistic. We still have the worst GM, coach, and QB in the division. That doesn't really scream contender in the NFC East. Maybe in the NFC South we could be a threat with the current team.

Friendly advice ... we are trying to move forward with new ownership. Dan's best year was his first year.

I know you didn't like RR and Turner and I was not a supporter of the RR hiring. You weren't wrong.

Although I don't read him in my best dean voice ..... lets go forward. It is a time for renewal.

 

[Rowdy]

So signing Fitzpatrick in 2021 and needlessly trading for Wentz in 2022 was NOT stupid and was the answer? So drafting a QB in 2020 or 2021 was not the way to go to address the QB spot and signing QBs who are currently out of the league was the correct course of action? I am not trying to be difficult, I am simply trying to understand that if we don't have the cap space and the drafts are bad, then none of this is Rivera's fault and we are simply having bad luck? Was the plan or only option to build the rest of the team and wait a few years to get the QB? Seems like a very strange way to go about building a team in the modern NFL.

Rivera has had 4 offseasons to address the QB position and to this point, he still hasn't. We can continue to make excuses for him by saying we don't have the cap or that the drafts were bad. Some of that is true. The 2022 QB draft class was fairly poor. I disagree with Howell being the best QB in that class as I thought Pickett was.

If we don't have the cap room to address the most important position on the field (QB) and we are a QB away allegedly, do you mean to tell me the secret plan is Sam Howell? Interesting. If we can't afford to sign a QB free agent, then who was in charge of the cap? Rivera has been for the past 4 years.

Cosmi was at RT before he got hurt and Lucas had to step in to play RT. That is true. Cosmi has played tackle for most of his career (college and NFL). He was always a tackle at Texas. As such, he will be switching positions to Guard. Who knows how that will work?

Norwell was garbage, that is true. Paul might have played better in limited action, but it is not like he was a beast either.

We had very poor QB play, I agree with that. But we also had poor OLine play as well along with horrible game planning and play calling. Dean said the same thing last year in that we simply needed a QB to make it all click. He was wrong. I showed where every NFC East team either improved or stayed the same and it is widely agreed that we had the worse offseason out of all of the NFC East teams (minus getting rid of Snyder). You can say I am not being objective but I am being realistic. We still have the worst GM, coach, and QB in the division. That doesn't really scream contender in the NFC East. Maybe in the NFC South we could be a threat with the current team.

Duke, I really hate hearing you salivating over the other teams in the east. Mainly because I’m a redskins fan and don’t like the others.

I’ll give you my take on the division. Starting with the most hated.

Cowgirls: First of all I believe MM is the dumbest coach in the nfl. We saw last year when teams aren’t so concentrated on dak running just how good of qb he isn’t.

Eagles: Honestly still not sure about the coach. They’ve got possibly one of the best Olines in nfl history. Jalen hurts same as dak as soon as he gets tired of taking all the hits and even hesitates running his play will drop off. He just reminds me of rg knees rookie year.

Giants: First year coaches have success a lot of time because they catch teams by surprise, so I need a couple more seasons before judging the coach. Danny Jones could end up being the best qb in the division. He can run as a threat, but also play the position as a traditional qb. He done pretty well with really no weapons last year.

Redskins: well, we all know their problems, but I’m here to tell ya no team will have much success playing their 5th string center especially with the QBs they had. Hopefully Howell turns out to be the qb who had a 1st round projection in 2021

 

[duke1861]

Friendly advice ... we are trying to move forward with new ownership. Dan's best year was his first year.

I know you didn't like RR and Turner and I was not a supporter of the RR hiring. You weren't wrong.

Although I don't read him in my best dean voice ..... lets go forward. It is a time for renewal.

What are you talking about sportster?

I am crying today because Dan is leaving. He was the best owner ever and he will be missed deeply! He turned the franchise around.

Happy Thanksgiving sir....lol

We should have a Dan jar after today. Meaning that we have to venmo skinsdad a dollar each time someone says "Dan". I wish Websters dictionary would classify Dan Snyder as an official swear word.

 

[duke1861]

Duke, I really hate hearing you salivating over the other teams in the east. Mainly because I’m a redskins fan and don’t like the others.

I’ll give you my take on the division. Starting with the most hated.

Cowgirls: First of all I believe MM is the dumbest coach in the nfl. We saw last year when teams aren’t so concentrated on dak running just how good of qb he isn’t.

Eagles: Honestly still not sure about the coach. They’ve got possibly one of the best Olines in nfl history. Jalen hurts same as dak as soon as he gets tired of taking all the hits and even hesitates running his play will drop off. He just reminds me of rg knees rookie year.

Giants: First year coaches have success a lot of time because they catch teams by surprise, so I need a couple more seasons before judging the coach. Danny Jones could end up being the best qb in the division. He can run as a threat, but also play the position as a traditional qb. He done pretty well with really no weapons last year.

Redskins: well, we all know their problems, but I’m here to tell ya no team will have much success playing their 5th string center especially with the QBs they had. Hopefully Howell turns out to be the qb who had a 1st round projection in 2021

Hey boss, Happy Adios Dan Day!

I agree a lot of what you are saying. I hate the teams in our division as well. Life is much better when those 3 teams sux.

Cowboys: where to start. I wish they would hire Dave campo again...lol. Never been a fan of Jerry Jones.
I think Dak is a very good qb and they have a great defense. Parsons is amazing. Hopefully they take a step back soon.

Philly: man, that is a solid team and I like hurts. I wish we had him. He has been insulted his entire career it seems. Bama fans didn't like him, Sooner fans didn't like him, and everybody doubts him. He is an underdog for sure. Their draft was incredible though.
I would love to see us knock them off their high horse. Can't stand their fans.

Giants: the annoying little brother..lol. We will see if Dabo is legit or not and if Jones makes progress. I think they snuck up on some teams last year.
Life is good when the giants are in the basement. Hopefully they get back there soon.

 

[deanpet21]

We can afford the team we have because our QB is making hardly anything. We could not afford Carr or Rodgers. We would have been stupid to trade up for the QBs in this draft because none were worth it. We could not have gotten Bryce Young or CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson was not worth the pick. I stated since before the 2022 draft that Sam Howell was the best QB in that draft.


Cosmi started 5 games at RT last season…Lucas was the RT with 12 starts.

Norwell was garbage. Paul played better than Norwell.


I would say you are not being objective. Again, we were a .500 team last season with the worst QBs in the league. That means a good QB makes you a contender.

I agree with all of this. Plus, the schedule wasn't as easy as we all thought this time last season. We get good QB play this year we should be in the playoffs.

 

[Sportster 72]

Completely agree and that is why I said the game and modern NFL strategy has passed Rivera by.

Ravens = 2000 and 2012
Bears = 1985
Bucs = 2002

These are all over 10 years old with 2 being over 20 and 1 almost 40 years old. As you said, the league is offensively driven now. The teams that are competing are all pass-heavy offenses. I think 10 of the top 11 passing teams made the playoffs.

I don't have a crystal ball but my guess is that the defenses will take a while to catch up to the pass-happy offenses. Who knows?

Because you couldn't leave well enough alone and needed to quantify my comment let me ask about:

Super Bowl LIII .... NE 13 - LA 3

All kidding aside many SBs are a blow out but in support of you Carolina put up a full 10 points in their loss.

Hopefully in a few hours we will be celebrating.

 

[duke1861]

Of course you agree with it. You agree with it because it is contrary to what I said. I could say it's sunny outside when its 85 and sparkling and you would disagree with me. You are being oppositional just to be oppositional, and you are trolling.

Anyone who says "playoffs" gives you an adrenaline rush and you quickly agree with the comment.

It is voting day and you are here agenda posting. Best day as a commanders fan in over 20 years and you are talking playoff hopes. Sad...but predictable. I don't think you care who owns the team...even Dan. Truth be told, I don't think you care that he is leaving.

I am done with it today Dean. It's a great day.

Enjoy the celebration.

 

[Sportster 72]

Yeah just turn on 106.7 the Fan or Team 980 ..... they are doing cartwheels today.

I am going to wait until someone reports the sale is done but my liquor cabinet is full.

 

[duke1861]

Because you couldn't leave well enough alone and needed to quantify my comment let me ask about:

Super Bowl LIII .... NE 13 - LA 3

All kidding aside many SBs are a blow out but in support of you Carolina put up a full 10 points in their loss.

Hopefully in a few hours we will be celebrating.

Good example sportster. I didn't think of that one.

When is the vote? When is the bat signal going to be turned on?

I almost picture it like the end or V for Vendetta, when everyone takes off their masks...lol

All the old and even former fans will be there to celebrate.

 

[Sportster 72]

When is the vote?

Good example sportster. I didn't think of that one.

When is the vote? When is the bat signal going to be turned on?

I almost picture it like the end or V for Vendetta, when everyone takes off their masks...lol

All the old and even former fans will be there to celebrate.

I am an old man now, this is a day I thought I would never see. I often joked that I needed a bus to run Dan over.

Never say never but I just can't imagine the Harris group being worse than Dan. What a shit storm.

Many in the local media are saying "when did you know." Well I had experience with Dad before he bought the team .... for me the aha moment was when he fired Marty. If anyone remembers Marty said he would never work for Dan. After a slow start he finished 8-3 with a plain Jane QB.