Commanders News thread

[eaglesnut]

We had the qb , KC was the guy

I was mad and I didn't even like the Redskins

 

[Sportster 72]

I'll wait to see them on the field ... there are a lot of new pieces on the team.

I have said since it looked like Snyder was going to sell that this is most likely a transitional season.

 

[skinsdad62]

I'll wait to see them on the field ... there are a lot of new pieces on the team.

I have said since it looked like Snyder was going to sell that this is most likely a transitional season.

your are absolutely right , its a transitional year and perhaps next year as well , we just dont know what new ownership is going to do andthe franchise is in a shambles

 

[duke1861]

your are absolutely right , its a transitional year and perhaps next year as well , we just dont know what new ownership is going to do andthe franchise is in a shambles

To me, there are bigger fish to fry than simply what is on the field. That is a myopic view to say the least.

IMO, harris/magic have to treat the organization like an infected wound. It must be cleansed, treated, then allowed to heal. This year is about setting-up the future and repairing years of damage caused by the worst owner in the history of sports. I dont care if we lose every game.

This is like a coaching staff coming in after a school gets off of probation in the ncaa. Multiple steps have to be taken to change the culture, win the trust of the fans, recruit the right players, build trust in the boosters, etc. The play on the field is further down the list and expectations reflect that. Sportster saw this first hand with Penn st.

I simply don't understand folks who are overly excited about this year and attempting to drum up excitement about it. To each their own. I am excited about the long term look of the organization and feel once harris/magic establish control and build their foundation, we will be back.

 

[skinsdad62]

To me, there are bigger fish to fry than simply what is on the field. That is a myopic view to say the least.

IMO, harris/magic have to treat the organization like an infected wound. It must be cleansed, treated, then allowed to heal. This year is about setting-up the future and repairing years of damage caused by the worst owner in the history of sports. I dont care if we lose every game.

This is like a coaching staff coming in after a school gets off of probation in the ncaa. Multiple steps have to be taken to change the culture, win the trust of the fans, recruit the right players, build trust in thr boosters, etc. The play on the field is further down the list and expectations reflect that.

I simply don't understand folks who are overly excited about this year and attempting to drum up excitement about it. To each their own.

yeah i mean the fans are pissed , the stadium is filthy , ashburn training facility is one of the worst in the NFL , the FO has been bumbling for yrs and the harris group will be hamstrung for a couple of yrs because of the payments to snyder . you can come up with your vision , put your guys in place ans such but cash flow will be an issue

 

[duke1861]

yeah i mean the fans are pissed , the stadium is filthy , ashburn training facility is one of the worst in the NFL , the FO has been bumbling for yrs and the harris group will be hamstrung for a couple of yrs because of the payments to snyder . you can come up with your vision , put your guys in place ans such but cash flow will be an issue

Excellent post. Perfect summary.

 

[Sportster 72]

To me, there are bigger fish to fry than simply what is on the field. That is a myopic view to say the least.

IMO, harris/magic have to treat the organization like an infected wound. It must be cleansed, treated, then allowed to heal. This year is about setting-up the future and repairing years of damage caused by the worst owner in the history of sports. I dont care if we lose every game.

This is like a coaching staff coming in after a school gets off of probation in the ncaa. Multiple steps have to be taken to change the culture, win the trust of the fans, recruit the right players, build trust in the boosters, etc. The play on the field is further down the list and expectations reflect that. Sportster saw this first hand with Penn st.

I simply don't understand folks who are overly excited about this year and attempting to drum up excitement about it. To each their own. I am excited about the long term look of the organization and feel once harris/magic establish control and build their foundation, we will be back.

This is far from a one year fix. There are a lot of open wounds to heal and so many things Dan F'd up. I think just knowing he is gone has started to heal things with many people. I would hate to see people get pissed at this ownership group after one year. There is 24 years of Dan to fix.

I know when you say the Harris/Magic group what you mean and I have no idea how this all works but it is the Harris/Rales/Magic group. Ultimately I believe Harris will make decisions and he'll be somewhat responsible to all the minority owners but No. 2 overall is Mitchell Rales as 12% owner.

 

[duke1861]

This is far from a one year fix. There are a lot of open wounds to heal and so many things Dan F'd up. I think just knowing he is gone has started to heal things with many people. I would hate to see people get pissed at this ownership group after one year. There is 24 years of Dan to fix.

I know when you say the Harris/Magic group what you mean and I have no idea how this all works but it is the Harris/Rales/Magic group. Ultimately I believe Harris will make decisions and he'll be somewhat responsible to all the minority owners but No. 2 overall is Mitchell Rales as 12% owner.

Yes, it will take years to undo the damage and repair relationships. I am excited for them to get started. We have waited a long time for this.

 

[skinsdad62]

5 defensive players that didn’t live up to the hype during Commanders tenure

Which former Washington Commanders players never quite lived up to the hype throughout the franchise's illustrious history spanning more than 90 years? Dana St

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quite a list

 

[redskinsfan1963]

haynesworth was the laziest player ever in washington.maybe the worst ever redskin.

 

[gkekoa]

Couple of things to unpack here.

I would say we are a QB, coach, and OLine away. I will explain below.


OLine

One source has us as the 30th ranked OLine going in to 2023.

Best Offensive Lines in the NFL 2023: Lions Surge as Health Returns While Cowboys and Chiefs Slide

The best offensive lines in the NFL are ones without significant flaws. Which units are able to compete alongside the Eagles, Browns, and Lions?

www.profootballnetwork.com

Walter gave us 3 out of 5 stars.

2023 NFL Offseason: Washington Redskins – WalterFootball

walterfootball.com

Did we get that much better? Stealing what Skinsdad said a few days ago, I find it spot on.
Nick Gates - Gates came over from the Giants in free agency and is projected to be the Commanders starting center after long-time starter Chase Roullier was released this offseason.

There are times when Gates struggles with the bull-rush, but he has good overall hand placement, is sound in the run game and seemed to do a nice job setting the protections when he played center. He’s a downgrade to a healthy Roullier,, we did draft stromberg

Andrew Wylie - The former starting right tackle for the Super Bowl Champion Kansas City Chiefs joined Washington this spring as a priority free agent signing. He started all 17 regular season games in 2022 but was second in the NFL in blown blocks (45) and tied for third in sacks allowed (11).

Some blame the blown blocks and sacks on quarterback Patrick Mahomes holding the ball too long and “improvising” in the pocket. Regardless, he’ll need to clean that up here in Washington,, didnt address this i the draft either
Our new OLinemen graded out at 60.3 for Gates and 63.0 for Wylie. If Wylie was that average in KC with Reid and Mahomes, I am afraid he will be worse in WSH. Speaking of LG, we have more of a question on our hands:

Saddiq Charles = 43.6 grade
Chris Paul = 55.6 (limited action
Braeden Daniels = rookie

None of these options give me confidence and it should be our weak link. Rivera should have signed a free agent to man the position but did not.
We might be taking a step back for LG. If we are talking about coaching them up, we don't even have an Offensive Line coach at this point per our own team website:

Washington Commanders Coaches | Washington Commanders - Commanders.com

www.commanders.com

LT with Leno is getting a little older but is effective. He is our most talented OLinemen I feel.

RG is a crap shoot as we have no idea how Cosmi will look at Guard. Hopefully, it works out. Bottom line, we do NOT have a strong OLine going into the season and Rivera neglected it as usual. This is NOT the OLine we need to make Howell successful.

I will address coaching and QB in the next response.

As football is a team game, you will always find units lacking. QB being the most important position in the game affects other units like no other. A good QB can mask a poor OL by making good decisions and getting the ball out quickly. A good QB can make a poor coach look brilliant. A good QB makes his WRs better. A good QB can even improve a horrible defense.

We were a .500 team last season with the worst QB play in the league. We have a HC who doesn’t trust youth and never has…at any position…but particularly QB. SH not playing until week 17 is an indictment of RR, not SH. Had SH came out and looked horrible in week 17, this would not be the discussion; however, SH was not horrible, and he beat a 13 win team who was playing for home field advantage. SH cannot be as bad as CW and TH…I truly question if it is even possible.

The OL was bad last year, but like I said, the QB can affect the play. I have shown CW getting sacked at a higher rate than TH a couple of times…and TH did not run last season. To compare Chase Roullier to Nick Gates in this offense would be unfair because Roullier hardly played last season. Gates is not an upgrade to a healthy Roullier but he is an upgrade to the trash playing last season under center. While Wylie had those negatives against him last season, his pass block efficiency rate was top ten I do believe. Mahomes definitely affected those often quoted negative stats. Either way, Wylie is an upgrade to Lucas. The G position on both sides did not get worse…so no matter how you see it, the OL improved.

As for the coach, RR is shitty but good players make bad coaches look good.

 

[duke1861]

As football is a team game, you will always find units lacking. QB being the most important position in the game affects other units like no other. A good QB can mask a poor OL by making good decisions and getting the ball out quickly. A good QB can make a poor coach look brilliant. A good QB makes his WRs better. A good QB can even improve a horrible defense.

We were a .500 team last season with the worst QB play in the league. We have a HC who doesn’t trust youth and never has…at any position…but particularly QB. SH not playing until week 17 is an indictment of RR, not SH. Had SH came out and looked horrible in week 17, this would not be the discussion; however, SH was not horrible, and he beat a 13 win team who was playing for home field advantage. SH cannot be as bad as CW and TH…I truly question if it is even possible.

The OL was bad last year, but like I said, the QB can affect the play. I have shown CW getting sacked at a higher rate than TH a couple of times…and TH did not run last season. To compare Chase Roullier to Nick Gates in this offense would be unfair because Roullier hardly played last season. Gates is not an upgrade to a healthy Roullier but he is an upgrade to the trash playing last season under center. While Wylie had those negatives against him last season, his pass block efficiency rate was top ten I do believe. Mahomes definitely affected those often quoted negative stats. Either way, Wylie is an upgrade to Lucas. The G position on both sides did not get worse…so no matter how you see it, the OL improved.

As for the coach, RR is shitty but good players make bad coaches look good.

Then my point is valid in that if we truly are a qb away, we literally have gone about it in the most bizarre way possible.

2021= Fitzpatrick
2022 = Wentz
2023 = Howell

That strategy makes no sense to me at all. 2 of those 3 are out of the league. Why did we not sign Derek Carr? Why did we not trade up and get a top qb in the draft? Aaron Rodgers was there for the taking. Qbs should have been banging down the door to come here and be the savior of the team. That didn't happen and I find no evidence from pundits or commanders best writers that claim we are a qb away. I would be happy to check out any analysis or articles if they are out there.

Yes, Rivera is a crappy coach, but he is a crappy GM as well. If what you are saying is true, then Rivera should be fired on the spot on Thursday for failing to secure the missing piece to get us into being relevant. If we are just a qb away, then gambling on a 5th round qb doesn't seem smart. Howell didn't look horrible, but I don't think he looked that good either. Having watched the game and then looking at the stats, I find it impossible to say if he can or can't be a franchise qb in the league. Surely a team that is a qb away wouldn't push all the chips in the middle and bet on Sam howell. That literally makes no sense. If you are a piece away, you get that piece...you don't wait around and develop them and hope they are it.

Also, cosmi was RT last year and LG very well might be worse this year. There is no real talent to take the spot. Charles has been done nothing and paul is a project.

 

[Sportster 72]

Then my point is valid in that if we truly are a qb away, we literally have gone about it in the most bizarre way possible.

2021= Fitzpatrick
2022 = Wentz
2023 = Howell

That strategy makes no sense to me at all. 2 of those 3 are out of the league. Why did we not sign Derek Carr? Why did we not trade up and get a top qb in the draft? Aaron Rodgers was there for the taking. Qbs should have been banging down the door to come here and be the savior of the team. That didn't happen and I find no evidence from pundits or commanders best writers that claim we are a qb away. I would be happy to check out any analysis or articles if they are out there.

Yes, Rivera is a crappy coach, but he is a crappy GM as well. If what you are saying is true, then Rivera should be fired on the spot on Thursday for failing to secure the missing piece to get us into being relevant. If we are just a qb away, then gambling on a 5th round qb doesn't seem smart. Howell didn't look horrible, but I don't think he looked that good either. Having watched the game and then looking at the stats, I find it impossible to say if he can or can't be a franchise qb in the league. Surely a team that is a qb away wouldn't push all the chips in the middle and bet on Sam howell. That literally makes no sense. If you are a piece away, you get that piece...you don't wait around and develop them and hope they are it.

Also, cosmi was RT last year and LG very well might be worse this year. There is no real talent to take the spot. Charles has been done nothing and paul is a project.

This is not really about he was here but who is here. We don't need to look backwards .... we need to look forwards.

I watched a fair amount of Howell in school and I was perplexed the same way I was with Cousins .... tools were there but can some of the errors be erased. If so great, if not we are looking again next year. But who was here before since Cousins does not matter.

 

[Rowdy]

Bout the only other reasonable option RR would’ve had at qb was drafting Herbert, and most everyone on this board including the pundits were saying knucklehead was a can’t miss

 

[duke1861]

Bout the only other reasonable option RR would’ve had at qb was drafting Herbert, and most everyone on this board including the pundits were saying knucklehead was a can’t miss

If we are a qb away, i would have thrown a ton of cash at Derek carr. He is a top 10-12 qb easily and under 30. He is played with the raiders,who are not run much better than we were. That would have been my play if I were Rivera and he believed we were a qb away.

 

[skinsdad62]

good qbs have the opportunity to make up for the failings of other position groups but that isnt always true . sonny jurgensen and dan fouts were HOF qbs and they couldnt overcome bad defense . dan marino is another HOFer . those guys were elite . when you say good qbs i think below elite and those guys(good qbs ) i dont think can overcome those things often . i think you can win with them if you have a good team around them but they arent going to overcome bad o/line play , bad coaching or poor defensive play

we had the chance at herbert . we passed on him for CY , that was a mistake because qb is far more important the DE . we had tua ranked ahead of herbert which is unconscionable with his injury history (hip ) going into that draft . herbert is at least borderline elite while chase is run of the mill

 

[duke1861]

good qbs have the opportunity to make up for the failings of other position groups but that isnt always true . sonny jurgensen and dan fouts were HOF qbs and they couldnt overcome bad defense . dan marino is another HOFer . those guys were elite . when you say good qbs i think below elite and those guys(good qbs ) i dont think can overcome those things often . i think you can win with them if you have a good team around them but they arent going to overcome bad o/line play , bad coaching or poor defensive play

we had the chance at herbert . we passed on him for CY , that was a mistake because qb is far more important the DE . we had tua ranked ahead of herbert which is unconscionable with his injury history (hip ) going into that draft . herbert is at least borderline elite while chase is run of the mill

Bingo!

What he said...lol

That had always been my beef with Rivera. He defaults to defense when he has the chance to. He wants an elite defense at all costs...then he looks to build the offense. He uses early picks and spends a tremendous amount of cap on the defense. He uses late round picks and minimum cap on the offense.

 

[chillerdab]

Chase Young is run of the mill until he isnt, just like all DLinemen. Payne wasnt worth an extension until he was, and CY might elevate his game to pro-bowl status and get himself rewarded with a contract.

Most people would say that a LT, a QB, and at DT are the three most important building blocks for a franchise. The Commanders have one of the three.

So saying that a qb is worth more than a DE is something that I would agree with in general.

CY was supposedly a can’t-miss, generational talent. If they had selected Herbert instead, they would have been crucified for passing on a “cant miss” prospect.

If he elevates his game to approach his status, then he’ll get paid and the commanders will probably be in the playoffs.

On the other hand, if CY is mediocre, and if Sam Howell plays average qb who keeps the defenses honest, then the Commanders will definitely be in the playoffs.

Here’s hoping for both.

 

[deanpet21]

Chase Young is run of the mill until he isnt, just like all DLinemen. Payne wasnt worth an extension until he was, and CY might elevate his game to pro-bowl status and get himself rewarded with a contract.

Most people would say that a LT, a QB, and at DT are the three most important building blocks for a franchise. The Commanders have one of the three.

So saying that a qb is worth more than a DE is something that I would agree with in general.

CY was supposedly a can’t-miss, generational talent. If they had selected Herbert instead, they would have been crucified for passing on a “cant miss” prospect.

If he elevates his game to approach his status, then he’ll get paid and the commanders will probably be in the playoffs.

On the other hand, if CY is mediocre, and if Sam Howell plays average qb who keeps the defenses honest, then the Commanders will definitely be in the playoffs.

Here’s hoping for both.

nice post

 

[redskinsfan1963]

chase had a great first year and doing ok in his second year till he blew out his knee.only played about 3 games last year cause of the injury.we will see if he can bounce back this year if he can,t he is just one of many blown picks in the snyder era.