Commanders News thread

[gkekoa]

How is anyone supposed to know how good this team is then?

We have had 6 straight non winning seasons right?

You forgot to mention the Oline was a massive problem last year as well. If QB was such a massive problem, and I agree to a point, why is rolling out a qb would could not even beat out a backup last year be the answer?

Nothing in Howells Dallas game last year screamed that he is a franchise qb. He very well could be, but how we know after 19 NFL passes? That being said, he did have an average game in his first start.

You could be right, but as long as Rivera is here, the team will hover around .500 or worse.

I still believe we are the cellar dwellers in the east. We have the worst head coach and worst starting qb at this time. Our new GM and HC will hopefully change that for us.

If the team has the worst QB play in the league and is .500, the team is good…the QB is not.

The last winning season we had was 2016 with Kirk Cousins. Do you miss him yet? He has had three winning seasons in that time.

The OL was a problem last season, after Roullier went down. I am pretty sure we had some more injuries as well. It is also very hard to say how bad the OL is when a QB has no pocket awareness. From there, we have improved the OL this offseason without question. To what degree is yet to be known.

Sam Howell was arguably the top prospect in 2020. He lost all of his collegiate weapons in 2021. Howell still had a nice season though. As for him not playing last season, they paid Wentz 28 million and that automatically get him the starting gig. They kept TH who was a crowd favorite. Howell didn’t impress you because he didn’t put up 300 yards and fling it all over the stadium. He did what the coaches asked and averaged nearly 9ypa…which would have led the NFL (not saying he would have done that the whole season). He beat a Cowboys team that had plenty to play for and didn’t have his top two RBs. He also rushed for 35 yards and a TD.

I am not a RR guy because I am not a run first guy. Maybe we will hover around .500 again. Is that a bad thing if SH shows improvement and we have our QB?

You also discount Jacoby Brissett, a better QB than Daniel Jones. Personally, I think we could get 10 wins with Brissett and that may be better than we can get with Howell, but I still want Howell to play because his upside is greater and we need to know what we have. We could be the cellar dweller again but that doesn’t mean we didn’t do anything this offseason.

Your claim was all three teams did more to get better this upcoming season…I would say we did more than at least two of them and the Eagles did by far the worse. Them having two firsts will help a lot but that wasn’t from this offseason.

 

[gkekoa]

Oh yeah its too early to say anyone has gotten better for 2023-24.
I was saying as far as improvement, The other 3 teams are clearly making productive moves. As duke put it...we are getting left in the dust. Philly made it to the superbowl, Dallas got past the wildcard round, and NY won a playoff game. All valid improvements from the previous year. Its arguably because the other 3 teams are starting to do almost everything right. Culture, coaching, drafting.
Would you go further in explaining how we are most improved in your opinion?
Also in addition to QB, would you not agree LB is also a serious issue?

I totally agree we have a good team, and some fans are sleeping on that.

The Eagles and the NYG didn’t make productive moves. I have no idea what you are talking about.

We are more improved, that doesn’t mean better than the Eagles. They lost 6 key starters to FA and didn’t sign a single replacement. They have two firsts but that isn’t because of this offseason.

The NYG lost two starters on their OL. All they signed was a TE they are hoping comes back to form. That is a net loss.

I already said Dallas may have done the most.

We have added two starters on the OL and a starter at LB to replace the one that wanted too much money. There is no question that is an improvement…and an upgrade at QB if we choose to go JB.

 

[skinsdad62]

Oh yeah its too early to say anyone has gotten better for 2023-24.
I was saying as far as improvement, The other 3 teams are clearly making productive moves. As duke put it...we are getting left in the dust. Philly made it to the superbowl, Dallas got past the wildcard round, and NY won a playoff game. All valid improvements from the previous year. Its arguably because the other 3 teams are starting to do almost everything right. Culture, coaching, drafting.
Would you go further in explaining how we are most improved in your opinion?
Also in addition to QB, would you not agree LB is also a serious issue?

I totally agree we have a good team, and some fans are sleeping on that.

i think the reason is the turmoil of the sale . how much can you really do ? as for LB its an issue as far as depth , not so much our starters and we run a 4-2-5 so LB isnt as important

 

[Skin'EmAll]

The Eagles and the NYG didn’t make productive moves. I have no idea what you are talking about.

We are more improved, that doesn’t mean better than the Eagles. They lost 6 key starters to FA and didn’t sign a single replacement. They have two firsts but that isn’t because of this offseason.

The NYG lost two starters on their OL. All they signed was a TE they are hoping comes back to form. That is a net loss.

I already said Dallas may have done the most.

We have added two starters on the OL and a starter at LB to replace the one that wanted too much money. There is no question that is an improvement…and an upgrade at QB if we choose to go JB.

Free agency moves for 2023-24 and who is better is waaay too early to introduce, as regards to washington being at the bottom of the barrell of making noteworthy improvements in comparison to the NFC EAST. I never brought those things up.
If "productive moves" are an issue for you, then I'll stick with noteworthy improvements. I've already listed what each team has done, including ours. The last few years, including the end of 2022-23 and right before the start of this current off season, i listed the reasons I feel we are "getting left in the dust"

 

[gkekoa]

Free agency moves for 2023-24 and who is better is waaay too early to introduce, as regards to washington being at the bottom of the barrell of making noteworthy improvements in comparison to the NFC EAST. I never brought those things up.
If "productive moves" are an issue for you, then I'll stick with noteworthy improvements. I've already listed what each team has done, including ours. The last few years, including the end of 2022-23 and right before the start of this current off season, i listed the reasons I feel we are "getting left in the dust"

We are getting left in the dust because Dallas has had Dak for years, Philly has stuck with Hurts, and the NYG have stuck with Daniel Jones (and they had one more win)…in he meantime, we have had more starting QBs than any team in the league over the last five years.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

i think the reason is the turmoil of the sale . how much can you really do ? as for LB its an issue as far as depth , not so much our starters and we run a 4-2-5 so LB isnt as important

I agree Dan has created a terrible work environment for the players. But the coaching didn't seem to improve this year, especially when it mattered most. While we did win 8 games this year, every other team in the EAST got in the playoffs and won a game, something we continously struggle with

 

[Skin'EmAll]

We are getting left in the dust because Dallas has had Dak for years, Philly has stuck with Hurts, and the NYG have stuck with Daniel Jones (and they had one more win)…in he meantime, we have had more starting QBs than any team in the league over the last five years.

So we probably could have improved if we STUCK with TH.

 

[duke1861]

The Eagles and the NYG didn’t make productive moves. I have no idea what you are talking about.

We are more improved, that doesn’t mean better than the Eagles. They lost 6 key starters to FA and didn’t sign a single replacement. They have two firsts but that isn’t because of this offseason.

The NYG lost two starters on their OL. All they signed was a TE they are hoping comes back to form. That is a net loss.

I already said Dallas may have done the most.

We have added two starters on the OL and a starter at LB to replace the one that wanted too much money. There is no question that is an improvement…and an upgrade at QB if we choose to go JB.

I thought Bobby Okereke was an excellent move by the Giants. This is who I wanted us to sign actually. He is young and very productive as a MLB. He wasn't cheap, but it was one of the best signings in the division.

Regarding our free agency spending, what makes you think Gates starts at Center? Some have suggested he starts at Center; however, Rivera himself did NOT mention Gates as a candidate to play at LG. He actually said:

Were taking the Rivera presser live on @1067theFan - tune in - talking O Line now, will be a long session. Rivera says expect left guard to be a real competition between Saadhiq Charles and Chris Paul. Of Andrew Norwell, "he's going to be there"

If Roullier is back, why would he not be the starting Center?

Actually, the Giants graded out better according to the Sporting News than WSH. They said:

11. New York Giants​

Grade: A-

• Key additions: TE Darren Waller, WR Parris Campbell, DT Rakeem Nunez-Roches, LB Bobby Okereke, WR Jeff Smith, WR Jamison Crowder, CB Bobby McCain, CB Amari Oruwariye, TE Tommy Sweeney
• Key re-signings: QB Daniel Jones, RB Saquon Barkley, RB Matt Breida, WR Darius Slayton, WR Sterling Shepard, P Jamie Gillan, LB Jarrad Davis, EDGE Jihad Ward,
• Key losses: WR Kenny Golladay, C Nick Gates, S Jordan Love, C Jon Feliciano

The Giants did their best to upgrade the offensive juice for the re-signed Jones by tagging Barkley and then taking a shot on both Waller and Campbell to help Slayton, Shepard and Isaiah Hodgins. There are some ifs there, however, and there was only limited defensive work done with Okereke.

Here are some of Rivera's comments himself.

Ron Rivera Presser: "We are roster building for the first time and feel really good about what we’re able to do."

Ron Rivera speaks to the media at the NFL owners meetings

www.hogshaven.com

Here are free agency grades per the pundits. NYG were 11, DAL was 13, and WSH was 16th.

NFL free agency grades 2023: Ranking signings, trades for all 32 teams from best (Bears) to worst (Packers)

With the big waves of NFL free agency in the books for 2023, here's a look at how all 32 teams fared in their personnel additions and player losses, from the best to the worst.

www.sportingnews.com

​

CBS Sportsline had:

DAL = A
NYG = B-
PHILLY = B
WSH = B

2023 NFL free agency team-by-team grades: Cowboys earn 'A,' while Lions, Dolphins, Steelers also among winners

Grading all 32 teams' offseason pickups and how they stack up with the rest of the league

www.cbssports.com

 

[duke1861]

If the team has the worst QB play in the league and is .500, the team is good…the QB is not.

The last winning season we had was 2016 with Kirk Cousins. Do you miss him yet? He has had three winning seasons in that time.

The OL was a problem last season, after Roullier went down. I am pretty sure we had some more injuries as well. It is also very hard to say how bad the OL is when a QB has no pocket awareness. From there, we have improved the OL this offseason without question. To what degree is yet to be known.

Sam Howell was arguably the top prospect in 2020. He lost all of his collegiate weapons in 2021. Howell still had a nice season though. As for him not playing last season, they paid Wentz 28 million and that automatically get him the starting gig. They kept TH who was a crowd favorite. Howell didn’t impress you because he didn’t put up 300 yards and fling it all over the stadium. He did what the coaches asked and averaged nearly 9ypa…which would have led the NFL (not saying he would have done that the whole season). He beat a Cowboys team that had plenty to play for and didn’t have his top two RBs. He also rushed for 35 yards and a TD.

I am not a RR guy because I am not a run first guy. Maybe we will hover around .500 again. Is that a bad thing if SH shows improvement and we have our QB?

You also discount Jacoby Brissett, a better QB than Daniel Jones. Personally, I think we could get 10 wins with Brissett and that may be better than we can get with Howell, but I still want Howell to play because his upside is greater and we need to know what we have. We could be the cellar dweller again but that doesn’t mean we didn’t do anything this offseason.

Your claim was all three teams did more to get better this upcoming season…I would say we did more than at least two of them and the Eagles did by far the worse. Them having two firsts will help a lot but that wasn’t from this offseason.

If what you are saying is true, then why didn't we push all the chips in the middle and grab a QB? If a QB is the missing link....and we are a good team as you say, why not get the best available QB and go win?

Why wasn't Carr offered a contract or at least brought in?
Why haven't we spoken with Lamar Jackson?
Why didn't we speak to the Bears about Fields?

If those names don't impress you, then name a QB? What about the draft? Why aren't we moving up to grab one of the best QBs in the draft? Maybe they actually do, but it doesn't appear to be that way.

We can blame the sale, we can blame the lack of money, we can pick any reason we want to. Good front offices work around barriers each year. Each year, there are dozens of excuses the board comes up with for not succeeding. I think there is some validity to some of these excuses, but, you have to find a way if your job is on the line. If we are a good team, and simply need a QB, I would have let Payne walk and grabbed Carr instead.

Rivera has only successfully identified and developed 1 QB in 12 years as a HC. That is awful and is the main reason I do not trust his judgment. You mean to tell me that we are a good team and simply need a good QB and our answer is Sam Howell and Jacoby Brissett?

Brissett is a fine backup QB...but he is on his 5th team in 8 years. That is not good. This reminds me of Rivera signing Fitzpatrick and expecting him to lead the offense. If Brissett is such a good QB...why weren't teams banging down the door to sign him? Instead, he took a 1 year deal from a team that hasn't had a winning record in 6 years and is being sold?

I hear what you are saying with Wentz and that simply goes to show you again how bad Rivera's judgment really is with QBs. That being said, Howell never really pushed TH for being the backup while Wentz was healthy. I highly doubt Rivera told Turner that the fans wanted TH so they better play him over Howell or else. The bottom line is that Howell didn't beat out TH and only started the DAL game because the season was over. We literally have no idea what Howell is or isn't. The question remains though...if we ARE a good team and simply need a QB to guide the offense....the best we can do is Sam Howell? To me, that makes zero sense. If we are truly that close...surely there are better answers than Sam Howell for this organization.

 

[skinsdad62]

If what you are saying is true, then why didn't we push all the chips in the middle and grab a QB? If a QB is the missing link....and we are a good team as you say, why not get the best available QB and go win?

Why wasn't Carr offered a contract or at least brought in?
Why haven't we spoken with Lamar Jackson?
Why didn't we speak to the Bears about Fields?

If those names don't impress you, then name a QB? What about the draft? Why aren't we moving up to grab one of the best QBs in the draft? Maybe they actually do, but it doesn't appear to be that way.

We can blame the sale, we can blame the lack of money, we can pick any reason we want to. Good front offices work around barriers each year. Each year, there are dozens of excuses the board comes up with for not succeeding. I think there is some validity to some of these excuses, but, you have to find a way if your job is on the line. If we are a good team, and simply need a QB, I would have let Payne walk and grabbed Carr instead.

Rivera has only successfully identified and developed 1 QB in 12 years as a HC. That is awful and is the main reason I do not trust his judgment. You mean to tell me that we are a good team and simply need a good QB and our answer is Sam Howell and Jacoby Brissett?

Brissett is a fine backup QB...but he is on his 5th team in 8 years. That is not good. This reminds me of Rivera signing Fitzpatrick and expecting him to lead the offense. If Brissett is such a good QB...why weren't teams banging down the door to sign him? Instead, he took a 1 year deal from a team that hasn't had a winning record in 6 years and is being sold?

I hear what you are saying with Wentz and that simply goes to show you again how bad Rivera's judgment really is with QBs. That being said, Howell never really pushed TH for being the backup while Wentz was healthy. I highly doubt Rivera told Turner that the fans wanted TH so they better play him over Howell or else. The bottom line is that Howell didn't beat out TH and only started the DAL game because the season was over. We literally have no idea what Howell is or isn't. The question remains though...if we ARE a good team and simply need a QB to guide the offense....the best we can do is Sam Howell? To me, that makes zero sense. If we are truly that close...surely there are better answers than Sam Howell for this organization.

When your hands are tied then it affects what you can do . That being said RR hasn’t been as advertised.

 

[gkekoa]

So we probably could have improved if we STUCK with TH.

Honestly, we probably could improve if we stick with any QB; however, that QB may not get you over the hump.

 

[gkekoa]

I thought Bobby Okereke was an excellent move by the Giants. This is who I wanted us to sign actually. He is young and very productive as a MLB. He wasn't cheap, but it was one of the best signings in the division.

Regarding our free agency spending, what makes you think Gates starts at Center? Some have suggested he starts at Center; however, Rivera himself did NOT mention Gates as a candidate to play at LG. He actually said:

Were taking the Rivera presser live on @1067theFan - tune in - talking O Line now, will be a long session. Rivera says expect left guard to be a real competition between Saadhiq Charles and Chris Paul. Of Andrew Norwell, "he's going to be there"

If Roullier is back, why would he not be the starting Center?

Actually, the Giants graded out better according to the Sporting News than WSH. They said:

11. New York Giants​

Grade: A-

• Key additions: TE Darren Waller, WR Parris Campbell, DT Rakeem Nunez-Roches, LB Bobby Okereke, WR Jeff Smith, WR Jamison Crowder, CB Bobby McCain, CB Amari Oruwariye, TE Tommy Sweeney
• Key re-signings: QB Daniel Jones, RB Saquon Barkley, RB Matt Breida, WR Darius Slayton, WR Sterling Shepard, P Jamie Gillan, LB Jarrad Davis, EDGE Jihad Ward,
• Key losses: WR Kenny Golladay, C Nick Gates, S Jordan Love, C Jon Feliciano

The Giants did their best to upgrade the offensive juice for the re-signed Jones by tagging Barkley and then taking a shot on both Waller and Campbell to help Slayton, Shepard and Isaiah Hodgins. There are some ifs there, however, and there was only limited defensive work done with Okereke.

Here are some of Rivera's comments himself.

Ron Rivera Presser: "We are roster building for the first time and feel really good about what we’re able to do."

Ron Rivera speaks to the media at the NFL owners meetings

www.hogshaven.com

Here are free agency grades per the pundits. NYG were 11, DAL was 13, and WSH was 16th.

NFL free agency grades 2023: Ranking signings, trades for all 32 teams from best (Bears) to worst (Packers)

With the big waves of NFL free agency in the books for 2023, here's a look at how all 32 teams fared in their personnel additions and player losses, from the best to the worst.

www.sportingnews.com

​

CBS Sportsline had:

DAL = A
NYG = B-
PHILLY = B
WSH = B

2023 NFL free agency team-by-team grades: Cowboys earn 'A,' while Lions, Dolphins, Steelers also among winners

Grading all 32 teams' offseason pickups and how they stack up with the rest of the league

www.cbssports.com

Okereke was a good signing that I missed.

I never claimed Gates would be the center. I don’t take much credence in offseason coach chatter. If Roullier is healthy, I expect him to start because I have said for years he was one of the better centers in the league. I expect the LG to be Paul honestly but I would love to see Charles have improved enough o solidify the position considering he has been developed for years now.

Yeah listening to grades from pundits always makes sense. They also considered resignings in their statement. The word used here was improvement. Huge difference.

NFC Offseason Grades: Free Agency and Trade Value Added

Projecting acquired player value for 2023 versus expectations based on contract APY

unexpectedpoints.substack.com

 

[duke1861]

When your hands are tied then it affects what you can do . That being said RR hasn’t been as advertised.

That has to be the answer. Nothing else would make sense at this point. I don't think we are as good as some people think and we have several unknowns right now.

 

[duke1861]

Okereke was a good signing that I missed.

I never claimed Gates would be the center. I don’t take much credence in offseason coach chatter. If Roullier is healthy, I expect him to start because I have said for years he was one of the better centers in the league. I expect the LG to be Paul honestly but I would love to see Charles have improved enough o solidify the position considering he has been developed for years now.

Yeah listening to grades from pundits always makes sense. They also considered resignings in their statement. The word used here was improvement. Huge difference.

NFC Offseason Grades: Free Agency and Trade Value Added

Projecting acquired player value for 2023 versus expectations based on contract APY

unexpectedpoints.substack.com

I am interested to see what all the teams do with the draft actually. Philly having 2 first rounders is just not fair.

They will probably grab a RB and the best defensive player on the board. Whatever they do, it will work.

The fact that they are so good and draft well makes me want to throw up.

Curious to see what NYG do. I amnguessi g they protect Jones and build that secondary. Who knows. They are going to be a pain in the but for a while I am afraid. Daboll is awesome.

 

[gkekoa]

If what you are saying is true, then why didn't we push all the chips in the middle and grab a QB? If a QB is the missing link....and we are a good team as you say, why not get the best available QB and go win?

Why wasn't Carr offered a contract or at least brought in?
Why haven't we spoken with Lamar Jackson?
Why didn't we speak to the Bears about Fields?

If those names don't impress you, then name a QB? What about the draft? Why aren't we moving up to grab one of the best QBs in the draft? Maybe they actually do, but it doesn't appear to be that way.

We can blame the sale, we can blame the lack of money, we can pick any reason we want to. Good front offices work around barriers each year. Each year, there are dozens of excuses the board comes up with for not succeeding. I think there is some validity to some of these excuses, but, you have to find a way if your job is on the line. If we are a good team, and simply need a QB, I would have let Payne walk and grabbed Carr instead.

Rivera has only successfully identified and developed 1 QB in 12 years as a HC. That is awful and is the main reason I do not trust his judgment. You mean to tell me that we are a good team and simply need a good QB and our answer is Sam Howell and Jacoby Brissett?

Brissett is a fine backup QB...but he is on his 5th team in 8 years. That is not good. This reminds me of Rivera signing Fitzpatrick and expecting him to lead the offense. If Brissett is such a good QB...why weren't teams banging down the door to sign him? Instead, he took a 1 year deal from a team that hasn't had a winning record in 6 years and is being sold?

I hear what you are saying with Wentz and that simply goes to show you again how bad Rivera's judgment really is with QBs. That being said, Howell never really pushed TH for being the backup while Wentz was healthy. I highly doubt Rivera told Turner that the fans wanted TH so they better play him over Howell or else. The bottom line is that Howell didn't beat out TH and only started the DAL game because the season was over. We literally have no idea what Howell is or isn't. The question remains though...if we ARE a good team and simply need a QB to guide the offense....the best we can do is Sam Howell? To me, that makes zero sense. If we are truly that close...surely there are better answers than Sam Howell for this organization.

You can’t go after Jackson types with the team up for sale. Dad has been saying this for weeks. Also, if you go after Jackson types, you have to weaken the team elsewhere.

In order to trade up, we would have to use the next three first rounders to get overrated QBs. Stroud is the best option and he is going number one. The rest have huge warts.

Now you are speaking with desperation. Let me know when a team FAS their way to a SB or when Brady is available.

RR is not developing anybody. His coaches do. He has chosen poorly there. As for what I am telling you…we have a good team. Did we have the worst QB play in the league last season? We were still a .500 team. Howell has far more talent than TH…will that translate to wins? We need to find out.

As for Brissett, how many of those teams did he actually start for?
NE- started 2 games and got traded because Jimmy G was there and NE was hoping to change Dorsett.
IND- started 30 games throwing 31 TDS to 13 picks and getting 3k each year. He went 7-7 in 2019.
MIA- started 5 games
Cleveland- started 11 games

He has outplayed pretty much every QB on the rosters he has been on since his rookie season. Brisket came here because he thinks he can start.


Howell was a fifth round rookie. RR doesn’t like any rookies…do you really expect him to start a fifth rounder over a fan favorite? There were other options, maybe not better options.

 

[duke1861]

You can’t go after Jackson types with the team up for sale. Dad has been saying this for weeks. Also, if you go after Jackson types, you have to weaken the team elsewhere.

In order to trade up, we would have to use the next three first rounders to get overrated QBs. Stroud is the best option and he is going number one. The rest have huge warts.

Now you are speaking with desperation. Let me know when a team FAS their way to a SB or when Brady is available.

RR is not developing anybody. His coaches do. He has chosen poorly there. As for what I am telling you…we have a good team. Did we have the worst QB play in the league last season? We were still a .500 team. Howell has far more talent than TH…will that translate to wins? We need to find out.

As for Brissett, how many of those teams did he actually start for?
NE- started 2 games and got traded because Jimmy G was there and NE was hoping to change Dorsett.
IND- started 30 games throwing 31 TDS to 13 picks and getting 3k each year. He went 7-7 in 2019.
MIA- started 5 games
Cleveland- started 11 games

He has outplayed pretty much every QB on the rosters he has been on since his rookie season. Brisket came here because he thinks he can start.


Howell was a fifth round rookie. RR doesn’t like any rookies…do you really expect him to start a fifth rounder over a fan favorite? There were other options, maybe not better options.

I like Brissett but something is not adding up with what you are saying. If he outplays everyone, why has he never signed a LTD with a team? He is 18-30 as a starter. That might be it.

He also did not outplay Luck while in INDY. Luck had 4,500 yards and 39 passing TDs and led the team to 10 wins.

This reminds me of the Wentz discussion I had with Dean. Players who constantly move around in the league each year do so for a reason.

Dean could not grasp why Wentz played for 3 teams in 3 years until after he was cut here.

 

[gkekoa]

I like Brissett but something is not adding up with what you are saying. If he outplays everyone, why has he never signed a LTD with a team? He is 18-30 as a starter. That might be it.

He also did not outplay Luck while in INDY. Luck had 4,500 yards and 39 passing TDs and led the team to 10 wins.

This reminds me of the Wentz discussion I had with Dean. Players who constantly move around in the league each year do so for a reason.

Dean could not grasp why Wentz played for 3 teams in 3 years until after he was cut here.

Because the team sees limited upside and think they are close. NE traded him because he was third string but got a chance to play and went 1-1 when Brady was suspended and Garapolo was injured. Indy went to him because they got Rivers who took them from 7-9 with Brissett to an 11 win team. Miami had drafted Tua the previous season so Tua was going to start. Cleveland had already traded for Watson and you knew he would play.

Brissett didn’t start in the same season as Luck. Brissett likely wouldn’t have outplayed Luck so you are correct.

There is a difference between Brissett and Wentz. Every team has liked Brissett…no team has liked Wentz. Brissett has outplayed every contract…Wentz has never lived up to a contract.

 

[duke1861]

Because the team sees limited upside and think they are close. NE traded him because he was third string but got a chance to play and went 1-1 when Brady was suspended and Garapolo was injured. Indy went to him because they got Rivers who took them from 7-9 with Brissett to an 11 win team. Miami had drafted Tua the previous season so Tua was going to start. Cleveland had already traded for Watson and you knew he would play.

Brissett didn’t start in the same season as Luck. Brissett likely wouldn’t have outplayed Luck so you are correct.

There is a difference between Brissett and Wentz. Every team has liked Brissett…no team has liked Wentz. Brissett has outplayed every contract…Wentz has never lived up to a contract.

Wentz made out like a bandit and committed highway robbery.

I like brissett to be honest. I am puzzled why he hasn't secured a long term deal.

I would not be upset if he outplayed howell, led the team to the playoffs, and secured a long term deal.

Just my opinion.

 

[gkekoa]

Wentz made out like a bandit and committed highway robbery.

I like brissett to be honest. I am puzzled why he hasn't secured a long term deal.

I would not be upset if he outplayed howell, led the team to the playoffs, and secured a long term deal.

Just my opinion.

I would be upset if he outplayed Howell because Brissett is what he is. I need to see a Howell in game situations. I fear RR will go with the veteran because he is playing for his job. RR tends to favor the older guys.

 

[Sportster 72]

The team is better if Howell works out .... he is only 23, he has two or three years left on his rookie contract.