Comedy Platinum out of Toronto - "Canada's Team" quest for the Cup

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Sure they are. Did you honestly think that's what I was talking about up there? I'm simply saying that the two roles simply aren't the same and it's kind of a "price of tea in China" type point. It's not appropriate for us to say some of the things that might be appropriate for the coaching staff to say and so I don't see why one's behaviour is justification for (or has anything to do with) the other's.



I guess it's time for him to be singled out and individually booed when the entire team turns in a shit performance over 60 minutes then. Seasoned vet and all.



Of course Marner's "screw up" doesn't "excuse" Jake's. I'm not sure what else needs to be said about that. But I get what you're generally saying, Marner does enough good things to offset the bad things and so the overall is good enough that he doesn't "deserve" to be booed. And so I guess from that we have to conclude that Jake Gardiner is just the lowest guy on that list and that's why he's being singled out and booed and it's OK? His (positive play - negative play) is not just lower than Marner's but lower than everyone else on the team. But of course I know that you don't think that's the case, so I guess I'm still confused as to why it is OK that he was singled out like that. And of course in case it's not 100% clear I'm certainly not suggesting that Marner be singled out and booed.

As someone who is related to a negative asshole I actually think that some of the reason that Gardiner is a target is that he has been a Leaf for so long. If you're the type of person/fan who is constantly looking only for bad shit (my dad is 100% like this, when he describes a goal/game/anything the entire thing is about who is fucking up) it piles up over 8 seasons. My dad also "hated" Kaberle and I think I underestimated how much of a factor longevity/tenure was there as well. I think we underestimate just how negative some people are. Look at the pregame last night, it was all complaining. And my old man lapped it all up, pissing and moaning to me about the 4th line like it's the end of the world.

I guess I just don't subscribe to the "excuse all the boners, he's actually good once you get past them" idea. Jake's a good hockey player who has a bad habit of forgetting how to play hockey at some horrible times and since this is sports that can elicit boos, especially when it happens for the 50th time. You can't expect people paying $300/ticket to let that pass without hearing about it.

 

[DragonfromTO]

I guess I just don't subscribe to the "excuse all the boners, he's actually good once you get past them" idea. Jake's a good hockey player who has a bad habit of forgetting how to play hockey at some horrible times and since this is sports that can elicit boos, especially when it happens for the 50th time. You can't expect people paying $300/ticket to let that pass without hearing about it.

If they'd booed the entire team coming off the ice for any of the three periods last night I would have had zero problem with it. If they want to single out one player (for one play) they are free to do it even if they didn't pay a dime for their ticket and I'm free to find that action to be classless and shitty.

Hell, if you want/have to cherry pick a single play I didn't even think it was the biggest/worst screw up by a Leaf defenseman last night but anything that doesn't end up in the Leaf net doesn't seem to bother the general public much.

 

[dash]

I have a solution - Mike Stone for Jake Gardiner. Leafs fans can't boo a player if he doesn't play.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

If they'd booed the entire team coming off the ice for any of the three periods last night I would have had zero problem with it. If they want to single out one player (for one play) they are free to do it even if they didn't pay a dime for their ticket and I'm free to find that action to be classless and shitty.

Hell, if you want/have to cherry pick a single play I didn't even think it was the biggest/worst screw up by a Leaf defenseman last night but anything that doesn't end up in the Leaf net doesn't seem to bother the general public much.

If you think they booed Jake Gardiner for that one play and only that one play, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I have a solution - Mike Stone for Jake Gardiner. Leafs fans can't boo a player if he doesn't play.

I mean, if you want a less-talented Dougie Hamilton...

 

[DragonfromTO]

If you think they booed Jake Gardiner for that one play and only that one play, I don't know what to tell you.

I'm not really saying that though. Are you saying that he would have been singled out and booed last night even if that play hadn't happened?

It seems like you're indirectly making the case again that Jake Gardiner is the only one getting booed because his overall body of work deserves it. The problem with that is that his overall body of work is not the worst/most booable we've seen, no? I think there's probably even a better case to be made for booing him for the specific play than there is for booing him for the aggregate.

 

[dash]

I mean, if you want a less-talented Dougie Hamilton...

Well, we have less famous museums in Calgary than those in Toronto

 

[DragonfromTO]

If you think they booed Jake Gardiner for that one play and only that one play, I don't know what to tell you.

We're also leaving something else kind of unsaid as far as evaluating the "reasons" go... in many cases (I would include my father) it may have more to do with the person booing than the player being booed anyway. My dad would be bitching about someone else if it wasn't Gardiner, there's zero doubt in my mind. I don't think that all of the people booing are like this but there's probably a percentage that is. I like to believe that it's a small percentage.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I'm not really saying that though. Are you saying that he would have been singled out and booed last night even if that play hadn't happened?

It seems like you're indirectly making the case again that Jake Gardiner is the only one getting booed because his overall body of work deserves it. The problem with that is that his overall body of work is not the worst/most booable we've seen, no? I think there's probably even a better case to be made for booing him for the specific play than there is for booing him for the aggregate.

Not so much as I think there's a tipping point. He would've been booed last year if game 7 was in Toronto. There's a lot of pent-up rage towards Gardiner and I'm simply of the opinion that while it may be a bit overboard I can definitely see it as justifiable.

I'm a Gardiner fan, I think overall the team is better with him than without him, but he makes me want to throw waffles at him sometimes. He makes others want to boo him. I don't think that's out of line.

 

[BGDave]

Without taking sides in Boogate, I just want to say that Jake was booed a couple of times. Not like he was booed every shift or every time he touched the puck.

 

[puckhead]

sounds like you guys need to overpay for Tanev to settle things down over there.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

sounds like you guys need to overpay for Tanev to settle things down over there.

Marleau for Tanev?

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

“If you’re gonna get a good defenceman and they obviously want to get a good defenceman, you’ve got to give up something of value,” McKenzie told First Up on TSN Radio 1050 Toronto. “And not only would the first-round pick be in play, but I’ve been saying for quite some time now – take your pick, but one of Andreas Johnsson or Kasperi Kapanen will be gone too in the most likely scenario. It obviously depends on which defenceman they end up with and how much term is left, and what the guy’s age is, and what his value is, but it’s quite conceivable that both of those pieces could be departing for the right guy.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

If the right guy is PK Subban, sure.

I can't envisage a scenario where the Leafs trade their only offensive player on the LW. Even coming from Bobby Mac's mouth, it just doesn't make any sense.

 

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[BGDave]

Memories dull with time, but I recall Murphy got it WAY worse than Gardiner has (so far).

 

[dash]

Memories dull with time, but I recall Murphy got it WAY worse than Gardiner has (so far).

You are correct sir and he got it way worse with several teams (Capitals and Penguins come to mind).

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Good to see him getting going again after fucking up his ankle.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

That sure is one quiet big novelty cheque.

 

[BGDave]

That sure is one quiet big novelty cheque.

Meh, he's no PK Subban


j/k Very nice gesture on Zach's part