Coffee Talk V: The Final Battle

[fredsdeadfriend]

You know I wasn't going to engage your inane diatribes but please stay in your lane and sit this one out.

To answer your question yes I do and I fully admit I can't know all the issues because unless you are actually going through with it you would never know. The best thing to do is listen and support not intrude!
My daughter is gay and has very close trans friends.

Also I had a family member who transitioned in the 90's. Talk about a personal hell from morons like the Texas Governor. They committed suicide in the late 90's due to all the hate and lack of support they had in their life.

This type of intrusion is what causes the issues.

My daughter/son is trans, not just gay, seems I am closer to this than you are. Don't tell someone to stay in their lane when you don't know what their lane is, ok?

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

So you ok with this?

or this

Let me ask you, have any of those people in those pictures every shot anyone? My guess is no. And my guess is those kids will grow up being far more responsible when it comes to anything weapon related than any of the 2nd amendment haters out there.

 

[thedddd]

My daughter/son is trans, not just gay, seems I am closer to this than you are. Don't tell someone to stay in their lane when you don't know what their lane is, ok?

Good for you should I give you a medal? Seriously saying this proves nothing....
And if you want to play this game it was my sibling....so really like I said stay in your lane.

Really then if your kid is trans when Protective services shows up at your door what is your response?

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

So you ok with this?

or this

1st picture, yes, absolutely fine with that. 2nd one? Don't know enough about the situation. When the weapon is bigger than the child handling it, well, that could be a problem?

the VAST vast majority of gun deaths are caused by handguns, and not handguns held by 8 year olds under the supervision of their parents, but criminals for the most part, most or close to all who got them illegally. The few instances of murders with rifles often are committed by people who are mentally ill. So if you want to restrict mentally ill people from being able to own or have access to guns, and hold parents of mentally ill children liable for what their mentally ill children do with their guns if they irresponsibly let them have access to them, that would be fine with the vast majority of those on the Right seeing as most on the Right believe that the vast majority of the mentally ill come from the left, so.

 

[thedddd]

Let me ask you, have any of those people in those pictures every shot anyone? My guess is no. And my guess is those kids will grow up being far more responsible when it comes to anything weapon related than any of the 2nd amendment haters out there.

So trying to change the subject and once again assume something you have no clue.

And now back to my question that you seemed to deflect and try to make this about something else.
If you consider harm COULD be done with a child going through gender transitioning COULD you consider harm to be done with guns in the hands of small children?

 

[thedddd]

1st picture, yes, absolutely fine with that. 2nd one? Don't know enough about the situation. When the weapon is bigger than the child handling it, well, that could be a problem?

the VAST vast majority of gun deaths are caused by handguns, and not handguns held by 8 year olds under the supervision of their parents, but criminals for the most part, most or close to all who got them illegally. The few instances of murders with rifles often are committed by people who are mentally ill. So if you want to restrict mentally ill people from being able to own or have access to guns, and hold parents of mentally ill children liable for what their mentally ill children do with their guns if they irresponsibly let them have access to them, that would be fine with the vast majority of those on the Right seeing as most on the Right believe that the vast majority of the mentally ill come from the left, so.

So yet again answer my question. Just going on the basis of this picture should protective services be called on them?

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Good for you should I give you a medal? Seriously saying this proves nothing....
And if you want to play this game it was my sibling....so really like I said stay in your lane.

Really then if your kid is trans when Protective services shows up at your door what is your response?

Why would protective services show up at my door? My child waited until they were an adult to transition, and believes very strongly that it's wrong for children to be allowed to make any kind of decisions with permanent or long term effects such as going under the knife or taking hormones. Parents who would encourage their children or allow their children to do such things are doing them great harm.

Maybe you should look into the statistics regarding how many people change their minds as they grow older. Most grow out of the trans phase. The huge rise in people identifying as trans has similar qualities and characteristics to the eating disorder surge among teenaged girls back in the day. Something about young girls hitting puberty unsettles them and they don't know how to deal with the changes going on in their bodies and right now, peer pressure is playing a huge factor in the surge in the # of teenage girls suddenly identifying as trans. To rush into life altering decisions when they are still young and in their formative years, is ill advised at best.

I don't talk about things I don't know what I'm talking about dude, so quit telling me what to do, I'll stay in any goddamned lane I want to be in. You hear me? And my trans child would back me 100%!

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

So trying to change the subject and once again assume something you have no clue.

And now back to my question that you seemed to deflect and try to make this about something else.
If you consider harm COULD be done with a child going through gender transitioning COULD you consider harm to be done with guns in the hands of small children?

Sure, so lets look at the numbers. Small children handling guns leads to how many deaths? Now look at the #s of children and teens who grow out of their trans phase and we are talking 40-80% range? If not higher? I am not a computer that knows exactly the stat, but it's up there pretty high.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

So yet again answer my question. Just going on the basis of this picture should protective services be called on them?

No, they should not.

Why would it? The percentage of families who post pictures of their kids with guns that have kids with gun accidents is very low I am sure. The majority of accidents with guns involving kids are in households where the parents aren't taking pictures like the ones you posted and posting them publicly on social media.

 

[thedddd]

No, they should not.

Why would it? The percentage of families who post pictures of their kids with guns that have kids with gun accidents is very low I am sure. The majority of accidents with guns involving kids are in households where the parents aren't taking pictures like the ones you posted and posting them publicly on social media.

Ok good you finally answered a question without a long-winded response.
So a family shouldn't have protective services called on them because you assume no harm is being done.

 

[thedddd]

Sure, so lets look at the numbers. Small children handling guns leads to how many deaths? Now look at the #s of children and teens who grow out of their trans phase and we are talking 40-80% range? If not higher? I am not a computer that knows exactly the stat, but it's up there pretty high.

You know this is BS so don't spew it.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

When the percentage of suicides among those who have medically transitioned is the same percentage, give or take a few points, as the percentage of suicides among those who never make the transition, then the evidence suggests that there is most likely some other factor that leads to their extremely high rate of suicide. 80 years ago, maybe just 50 even, all trans people would have been diagnosed as mentally ill. There is a case to be made that they never should have changed that diagnosis, but did so only because of pressure coming from interest groups who had no science to back them up, just their feelings and their LGBTQ agenda to push. I'm not saying that I agree, just saying that people like Ben Shapiro, not one of my favorites, argues strongly in favor of the argument that trans people are simply suffering from some sort of mental illness.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

You know this is BS so don't spew it.

No, actually, it's not BS. I'm not talking about adults changing their minds and how they feel about themselves. I'm talking about how many young children and young teens who develop confused feelings about themselves and their gender changing their minds and how they feel about themselves, or as we used to say, their growing out of that phase once they fully develop and become an adult. Maybe you need to do some reading and educate yourself dude, before you come in here spouting your beliefs developed only from personal experience. Your personal experience being the primary source of your opinion seems to have rendered you ignorantly biased.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

A gun is just an object. It can be responsibly brought into a home and the parents can teach their children to respect weapons and how properly to handle them, they can restrict their access to the guns and make sure they are only handled under adult supervision, etc.. This can happen and does happen in the majority of homes where parents have guns and children.

Now having a physically AND mentally AND emotionally developing child given hormones to alter that development or to have them go under the knife to permanently alter them physically is something that can not be done responsibly. This is an unnatural act, and it is disruptive to their natural development, and these are children for heaven's sake, how often do children truly know what they want for their rest of their lives? Don't we usually allow them to wait until they go off to college, after they turn 18 and are legally adults, to start making such decisions and/or to start figuring out who they are and what their role in the world is going to be? And yet still, how many wait until after they graduate, or even later in life to figure out their path or who they are? But here you are wanting possibly mentally ill parents to make decisions for their children that will alter who they are before they've been given a chance to figure that out on their own as adults?! I understand you have empathy for these people, they are struggling, and they deserve empathy and support and to be protected from vicious horrible people who want to do them harm, but you are suggesting that the parents should be allowed to be the ones doing the harm? And yes, it's definitely harmful to subject children to this kind of thing at such a young age. Yeah, I totally back the Texas Governor in this action. If they want to screw their kids lives over forever, let them have to go to California or a foreign country to do it.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

You know this is BS so don't spew it.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Stop feeding the forum trol... err.. I mean pigeon gentlemen.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

You know this is BS so don't spew it.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Stop feeding the forum trol... err.. I mean pigeon gentlemen.

What, was this a Leftist Echo Chamber before I showed up? I know that Leftists HATE hearing any opinion that differs from their own. SO open minded and tolerant? NOT!!!

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

You know this is BS so don't spew it.

Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier. Another good book exposing the issues with this whole push to transition young children.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

What, was this a Leftist Echo Chamber before I showed up? I know that Leftists HATE hearing any opinion that differs from their own. SO open minded and tolerant? NOT!!!

Different opinions are fine.

Walls of text that are worth nothing, diatribes that have no peer-reviewed or otherwise legitimate sources, and asking leading questions that insult people are not acceptable to me or anyone else with the education you profess to have. This is just to name a few of the reasons why your opinion is being derided here.

So either you are lying, like a coward, or you are pretending to be something you are not, ie. trolling.

Now piss off while I find the ignore function for the first time on this forum.