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Coffee Talk: 7 Words You Can't Say to Jack Johnson

Bloody Brian Burke

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You don't say?

When you switch to a workforce made up almost entirely of immigrants who will work for slave wages what do you expect?
 

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Yeah, why bring new initiatives (along with new jobs) to help people when you can just pray and hope for salvation :noidea:

 

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Yeah, why bring new initiatives (along with new jobs) to help people when you can just pray and hope for salvation :noidea:

I have tried to start a car with a bible instead of a battery. Very limited success.
 

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Yeah, why bring new initiatives (along with new jobs) to help people when you can just pray and hope for salvation :noidea:

OK. There are hundreds of other depressed areas that would love the jobs. Move them there.
 

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Yeah, why bring new initiatives (along with new jobs) to help people when you can just pray and hope for salvation :noidea:

Between the CHIPS act, Infrastructure bill, and the Made in America policy these should really make a big difference in some areas (battery plants) where nothing was available. Manufacturing was a big thing in America and is starting to return. This can be huge and be an major economic boom for areas. Not only do the plants have jobs that are created, they need additional goods and services to keep running. I don't remember the number, but for every manufacturing job created, more jobs are created as a by product to support the manufacturing.

Greene is to dumb to realize that tax revenues and all those associated benefits that will be provided by this.
 

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Between the CHIPS act, Infrastructure bill, and the Made in America policy these should really make a big difference in some areas (battery plants) where nothing was available. Manufacturing was a big thing in America and is starting to return. This can be huge and be an major economic boom for areas. Not only do the plants have jobs that are created, they need additional goods and services to keep running. I don't remember the number, but for every manufacturing job created, more jobs are created as a by product to support the manufacturing.

Greene is to dumb to realize that tax revenues and all those associated benefits that will be provided by this.

Today's politicians (particularly North American conservatives) are ideologues. They have no sense of practicality. It's 100% about scoring political points and not conceding that something the other side has done could be good. Because of rampant dipshittery among the voting populace the scorecard for these grifters is aligning less and less with what's good for the people.

Sad!!
 

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Between the CHIPS act, Infrastructure bill, and the Made in America policy these should really make a big difference in some areas (battery plants) where nothing was available. Manufacturing was a big thing in America and is starting to return. This can be huge and be an major economic boom for areas. Not only do the plants have jobs that are created, they need additional goods and services to keep running. I don't remember the number, but for every manufacturing job created, more jobs are created as a by product to support the manufacturing.

Greene is to dumb to realize that tax revenues and all those associated benefits that will be provided by this.
Counterpoint: These investments are all giant gambles, there's a very real chance that EV's and current battery tech doesn't grow much beyond current adoption as cost prohibits mass adoption and the only risk here is to the taxpayer.


The report also estimates a break-even timeline for governments of 11 years for the Northvolt production subsidy, 15 years for the Volkswagen subsidy and 23 years for the Stellantis subsidy.

You're betting on a quarter century of everything going perfect to recoup $45 billion and hoping that there's enough trickle down effect to the surrounding economies that it can accomplish this.

I see no difference between these "investments" and every single instance where governments have given tax breaks to automakers to set up shop/keep operations going in their jurisdictions. All it is is corporate welfare.
 

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Counterpoint: These investments are all giant gambles, there's a very real chance that EV's and current battery tech doesn't grow much beyond current adoption as cost prohibits mass adoption and the only risk here is to the taxpayer.


The report also estimates a break-even timeline for governments of 11 years for the Northvolt production subsidy, 15 years for the Volkswagen subsidy and 23 years for the Stellantis subsidy.

You're betting on a quarter century of everything going perfect to recoup $45 billion and hoping that there's enough trickle down effect to the surrounding economies that it can accomplish this.

I see no difference between these "investments" and every single instance where governments have given tax breaks to automakers to set up shop/keep operations going in their jurisdictions. All it is is corporate welfare.
Unfortunately, this counterpoint can be said for <insert said industry>.
 

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Yeah, why bring new initiatives (along with new jobs) to help people when you can just pray and hope for salvation :noidea:

As far as I've seen, the Bible industry consists of various levels of gifting.




Oh, and TAX THE FUCKING CHURCHES
 
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