Chris Harper: Legit Signing or Playbook debrief

[shouldakepowens]

He offers the same as gray with a bonus of Seattle playbook?

 

[Nastastical]

He offers the same as gray with a bonus of Seattle playbook?

He's actually has the potential to be better than Gray, because he's already considered a very good blocker (Though it was from the WR position), which Gray was still struggling with. Hopefully with a little added weight, he can go from handling DB's to pancaking LB's/DE's.

 

[NinerSickness]

Harper was one of 2 WRs in the draft I thought would make good players for the Walker role.

 

[CalamityX11]

Lost Cam for a #3 TE?

 

[Nastastical]

Lost Cam for a #3 TE?

Lost Cam because there was no space on the roster for a player that was 5th on the depth chart at his position, that also didn't stand out on special teams.

 

[JPurthe1]

Lost Cam for a #3 TE?

Actually it was a 4th string OLB (2012 7th rounder) for a potential 3rd string TE (2013 4th rounder) and a 2014 7th rounder.

You could also add Owen M. to this transaction as well.

 

[imac_21]

Lost Cam for a #3 TE?

Yep. We lost a track suit for a football player.

We still play football right?

 

[imac_21]

Actually it was a 4th string OLB (2012 7th rounder) for a potential 3rd string TE (2013 4th rounder) and a 2014 7th rounder.

You could also add Owen M. to this transaction as well.

If you're adding Marecic to the transaction, you need to subtract someone else. You can't add 2 players and lose one.

 

[JPurthe1]

If you're adding Marecic to the transaction, you need to subtract someone else. You can't add 2 players and lose one.

You can add Gray to that transaction.

 

[imac_21]

You can add Gray to that transaction.

No you can't. Gray has nothing to do with it. If we're going to add Marecic, someone on the current roster has to be cut.

You can't cut a guy on Cleveland to add one to SF.

 

[CalamityX11]

Yep. We lost a track suit for a football player.

We still play football right?

is Chris Harper suiting up?

 

[Crimsoncrew]

I'm very excited about the Harper signing. I was upset about losing Gray, but good teams lose promising players. And there's every indication that the FO ranked Harper ahead of Gray, anyway. Harper is basically a Boldin clone who now gets to learn from him. Yes, we'll use him as an H-back/movement TE, but I guarantee Boldin will still mentor him. Harper is big, has pretty good speed, and is very smart (played some RB and QB in HS and college, and had the highest Wonderlic among WRs). He's got lots of upside at a position - receiver, whether WR or TE - where we have a need. Add in that he also knows some of the Hawks' playbook, and he's a great addition.

I wish we could have gotten more out of Johnson, but I didn't have Johnson making this team two weeks ago. To add Harper and a 7th-round pick next year is a pretty sweet deal IMO.

 

[NinerSickness]

Harper and Mark Harrison were the two guys I thought might make a good fit in this Walker role.

 

[imac_21]

is Chris Harper suiting up?

Probably not week 1, but if they're eying him up for Walker's role, he will be once he gets the playbook down.

 

[maniax]

I hope we can develop Patton, Baldwin, Williams and Harper to the point that Boldin and Crabtree become expendable.

That's one thing I like about the Packers. They have enough WRs in the queue that when the next WR hits free agency and wants a big payday, they just let him walk. They've been doing that for years.
Donald Driver, Greg Jennings goodbye... they have Nelson, James Jones and Cobb in the queue.
We have to build up our WR queue. Patton, Baldwin, Harper are nice additions with different skill sets.

I don't really want to sink a whole bunch of cash into Crabtree I'd rather spend it elsewhere, and Boldin will start declining soon he's 32 he may be good for a couple more years, would be great to have Harper turn into a clone of Boldin/Walker and replace him.

 

[optimist4720]

Harper signing stands on its own merit

The Pros of the signing: 1) Actual 4th rd. pick who slots in as an H-back prototype just what we were supposed to be shopping for during the draft vs. Gray a 7th rd. pick. 2) Actually played WR before and has experience catching the ball vs. Gray was converting from QB 3) Pretty athletic having played other positions in his life. Same as Gray 4) Size advantage to Gray 6.2 250 vs. 6.1 234 Gray more of a TE prospect vs. Harper more of H-back/WR prospect. 5) Harper better blocker vs. Gray needing more work. 6) Harper 4.47 speed vs. Gray 4.5 so about equal but Harper has more route running experience so that might translate to more game speed as a receiver. In any case , we lost the gamble on the waiver wire with Gray so picking up Harper is sweet. As for Cam Johnson, kinda sad he's gone given we are working on a pass rushing rotation and I think he has more upside than Skuta, but Skuta had more game experience?? Although trade was done to clear space...we could have done that with about 3 other players that are of similar marginal value. 1)Ventrone, Raymond S but more of a ST old as dirt specialist b) 2)Will-Tukuafu FB/DT Swing utility DL 3)Demarcus De/Dt swing utility DL 4) Snyder, Adam only on team due to familiarity with system and people but limited talent. Bottom Line : Great Pickup of Harper.. Cam traded separate issue..sorry to see him go ..but also mkes some sense if the Tank comes in midyear. Tank projected for JSmith role but also a rotational pass rusher in near future.

 

[imac_21]

The Pros of the signing: 1) Actual 4th rd. pick who slots in as an H-back prototype just what we were supposed to be shopping for during the draft vs. Gray a 7th rd. pick. 2) Actually played WR before and has experience catching the ball vs. Gray was converting from QB 3) Pretty athletic having played other positions in his life. Same as Gray 4) Size advantage to Gray 6.2 250 vs. 6.1 234 Gray more of a TE prospect vs. Harper more of H-back/WR prospect. 5) Harper better blocker vs. Gray needing more work. 6) Harper 4.47 speed vs. Gray 4.5 so about equal but Harper has more route running experience so that might translate to more game speed as a receiver. In any case , we lost the gamble on the waiver wire with Gray so picking up Harper is sweet. As for Cam Johnson, kinda sad he's gone given we are working on a pass rushing rotation and I think he has more upside than Skuta, but Skuta had more game experience?? Although trade was done to clear space...we could have done that with about 3 other players that are of similar marginal value. 1)Ventrone, Raymond S but more of a ST old as dirt specialist b) 2)Will-Tukuafu FB/DT Swing utility DL 3)Demarcus De/Dt swing utility DL 4) Snyder, Adam only on team due to familiarity with system and people but limited talent. Bottom Line : Great Pickup of Harper.. Cam traded separate issue..sorry to see him go ..but also mkes some sense if the Tank comes in midyear. Tank projected for JSmith role but also a rotational pass rusher in near future.

With regard to these guys in bold being similar marginal value, I disagree pretty much across the board. Ventrone will likely be in uniform every week and has been a leader on ST with other teams. Johnson would not be in uniform (this automatically lowers his value compared to the others).

Tukuafu is likely the top backup at both DE spots at this point.

Dobbs is on the reserve-suspended list, and therefore isn't taking up a roster spot. Cutting him wouldn't have cleared a spot for Harper.

Snyder is the only non-starting OL with any experience at OT.

 

[optimist4720]

Snyder is so marginal ..experience yes...but not much of a quality lineman..if an OT got hurt-->Boone to OT and Kilgore or Looney can slip into G. Sure a 2 spot sub package but Snyder is garbage and it is time to start transition to younger swing lineman. Ridiculous that it hasn't happened already. Snyder has been marginal swing guy for 3 years running and got released last year. For a guy with so much experience in the system he is crap. Next year, both Synder and Goodwin are gone. Not saying he doesn't have value to us..just saying he is marginal and in need of an upgrade and expendable. As for Vertrone...a ST guy who has no other position in a game where Running back kickoffs is losing value. Sure it hurt us last year in the superbowl but that was as much a fault of a lack of a penalty being called than any other factor. Dobbs would not have helped true at this time but expendable in the near future when Crabby or Manningham come back. As for Tukuafu, he has been on bubble for a while. Strong Bubble

QB: Colt McCoy, B.J. Daniels, Seneca Wallace
WR: Jon Baldwin, Kassim Osgood, Chad Hall
TE: Garrett Celek, MarQueis Gray
OG: Joe Looney

DT: Demarcus Dobbs, Will Tukuafau, Tony Jerod-Eddie
OLB: Dan Skuta, Cam Johnson
ILB: Nick Moody
FS: Trenton Robinson
SS: Craig Dahl

LOS: Brian Jennings

Weak Bubble

RB: Jewel Hampton
WR: Lavelle Hawkins, Austin Collie
OT: Kenny Wiggins, Carter Bykowski

CB: Marcus Cooper, Darryl Morris
FS: Michael Thomas, Raymond Ventrone

 

[imac_21]

Snyder is so marginal ..experience yes...but not much of a quality lineman..if an OT got hurt-->Boone to OT and Kilgore or Looney can slip into G. Sure a 2 spot sub package but Snyder is garbage and it is time to start transition to younger swing lineman. Ridiculous that it hasn't happened already. Snyder has been marginal swing guy for 3 years running and got released last year. For a guy with so much experience in the system he is crap. Next year, both Synder and Goodwin are gone. Not saying he doesn't have value to us..just saying he is marginal and in need of an upgrade and expendable. As for Vertrone...a ST guy who has no other position in a game where Running back kickoffs is losing value. Sure it hurt us last year in the superbowl but that was as much a fault of a lack of a penalty being called than any other factor. Dobbs would not have helped true at this time but expendable in the near future when Crabby or Manningham come back. As for Tukuafu, he has been on bubble for a while. Strong Bubble

QB: Colt McCoy, B.J. Daniels, Seneca Wallace
WR: Jon Baldwin, Kassim Osgood, Chad Hall
TE: Garrett Celek, MarQueis Gray
OG: Joe Looney

DT: Demarcus Dobbs, Will Tukuafau, Tony Jerod-Eddie
OLB: Dan Skuta, Cam Johnson
ILB: Nick Moody
FS: Trenton Robinson
SS: Craig Dahl

LOS: Brian Jennings

Weak Bubble

RB: Jewel Hampton
WR: Lavelle Hawkins, Austin Collie
OT: Kenny Wiggins, Carter Bykowski

CB: Marcus Cooper, Darryl Morris
FS: Michael Thomas, Raymond Ventrone

I disagree that Ventrone is on the "weak bubble." He's going to dress on game days and will be on all 4 ST units. He's also expected to be a leader on ST. He made the team solely because of his ST abilities. Considering him a safety is wrong.

Snyder is probably the worst of our backup OL, but we only have 3 of them, and he's the only one with experience at OT. Sure, if one goes down Boone moves to OT and Kilgore or Looney likely go in at OG, but what happens if we lose Staley for a few weeks, then Davis for a few snaps? Snyder will be in uniform on game day.

Cutting Dobbs would not have opened up a roster spot. Doing so would do us absolutely no good in the quest to make room for Harper.

Tukuafu will likely be the first DE off the bench in rotation in week 1 and possibly longer. He will be in uniform on game days.

Something all four of those guys have that Johnson did not, is that they will be wearing a uniform for the games. This greatly increases their chances of playing. Johnson was not going to dress.

 

[optimist4720]

Title of response was Harper pick up stands on its own merit.. should have stated:Cam Johnson trade not withstanding..ie Cam Johnson trade a different issue. So not trying to argue with you...just pointing out where we are still weak.(back up OT). Vertrone weak bubble.. not my bubble list... but the one from 49ers SBNation site. ST is important to a point but anyone making it solely as a ST player is a bubblelicious bubbleboy. The real question is who is on the strong bubble now ie who is #53,#52,#51,#50. TBD for sure but who/where do we cut from if Crabby and Manny come back or if Carridine, Dial is RTG.