Carson Palmer Sucks

[DanBengalfan]

He was one of the best QBs the Bengals ever had until he got Kimo'd

half the kids on my son's k-1 football team last year were named "Carson"

 

[futballiscool]

The Cardinals added Eric Winston and John Abraham this week.

A starting caliber RT and a borderline HOF pass rusher who still has something left in the tank on team friendly deals.

Their 1st yr GM did an amazing roster turnover on the cheap.

Really curious to see how they do this yr. The division is probably to tough for a playoff run, but they should be competitive

 

[cincygrad]

The Cardinals added Eric Winston and John Abraham this week.

A starting caliber RT and a borderline HOF pass rusher who still has something left in the tank on team friendly deals.

Their 1st yr GM did an amazing roster turnover on the cheap.

Really curious to see how they do this yr. The division is probably to tough for a playoff run, but they should be competitive

No kidding. San Francisco and Seattle are stacked and Jeff Fisher has the Rams improving.

AZ also has to play all four teams in the NFC South. Should be interesting.

 

[futballiscool]

Yeah, the division is brutal.

But somehow the Cardinals GM managed to drastically upgrade the QB position, the OL, the passrush, the RB situation and the LB corps in one offseason.

And all they really lost was a pair of veteran safeties.

I'm not sure how much will be reflected in the first yr w/l record, but I'm really impressed with the job their GM did.

He might be great for their longterm outlook

 

[NCBengal]

Carson still costs Cardinals games with his standard pick-6 plays.

 

[cincygrad]

Carson still costs Cardinals games with his standard pick-6 plays.

I'm a big critic of Carson's but I think he's in a great spot. Underrated defense and a good offensive mind for a head coach. Obviously it's no fun to be in the same division as Seattle and SF, but I think this is as good of a last chance as he could ask for..... If he can't get it done in AZ, it's over.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I'm a big critic of Carson's but I think he's in a great spot. Underrated defense and a good offensive mind for a head coach. Obviously it's no fun to be in the same division as Seattle and SF, but I think this is as good of a last chance as he could ask for..... If he can't get it done in AZ, it's over.

Depends on if that O-line can protect him at all and if they have any sort of run game. both answers look to be no as of now. He will probably throw for 4,000 yards 25-28 TDs and 20-24 INT's and they will finish with 5-6 wins.

 

[flamingrey]

He managed 20 TD's and 13 INT with an o-line that was just as bad and a lot fewer weapons. I don't see him essentially going 1-1 on TD-INT ratio. The 5-6 wins in that division and that schedule is certainly a possibility.

 

[flamingrey]

Carson still costs Cardinals games with his standard pick-6 plays.

That's more a product of the system than anything else. Brat's bread and butter was out-routes. And you throw an interception on one of those routes and it's as close to a for sure pick-6 as anything else.

I think Carson had 1 pick-6 last season. Dalton himself had 3-4. I think Peyton may have been among the tops as well.

End of the day, interceptions suck period. Whether it's a pick-6 or not is dependent on many other factors, not just the QB.

 

[Tubbs1518]

He managed 20 TD's and 13 INT with an o-line that was just as bad and a lot fewer weapons. I don't see him essentially going 1-1 on TD-INT ratio. The 5-6 wins in that division and that schedule is certainly a possibility.

He also wasn't playing nearly the defenses he will be this year. Those are 3 of the best pass rushes in the NFL getting pressure on him. I see a lot more INT's this year.

 

[flamingrey]

Yeah, the division is brutal.

But somehow the Cardinals GM managed to drastically upgrade the QB position, the OL, the passrush, the RB situation and the LB corps in one offseason.

And all they really lost was a pair of veteran safeties.

I'm not sure how much will be reflected in the first yr w/l record, but I'm really impressed with the job their GM did.

He might be great for their longterm outlook

To me, the wildcard is the defense. Based on everything I've read, many of the players hated the defensive scheme they were running last year. But, whatever the DC was doing, it was working. They were top 5 in many statistical categories (points per play, yards per play, points per drive, yards per drive, red zone %, 3rd down %) despite having the worst offense in the league. However, now they've switched to a rookie DC who is completely changing the scheme (one the players are loving) and who hasn't had any real success anywhere he has been (he took over the worst defense in the league midseason last season in Philly).

Camp Confidential: Arizona Cardinals - NFC West Blog - ESPN

 

[flamingrey]

He also wasn't playing nearly the defenses he will be this year. Those are 3 of the best pass rushes in the NFL getting pressure on him. I see a lot more INT's this year.

That is true.

 

[futballiscool]

Depends on if that O-line can protect him at all and if they have any sort of run game. both answers look to be no as of now. He will probably throw for 4,000 yards 25-28 TDs and 20-24 INT's and they will finish with 5-6 wins.

The Division is tougher defensively, but the AFCW isn't as band as you'd think in that regard. KC has good talent, SD is above average, and Denver is elite. Oakland was the weak link, but he obviously didn't play against them.

He threw for 5000 yds his first 16 starts in Oakland. I think he hits somewhere close to that number. The ints will be up (15-20), but so well the TDs. The defenses in his division are amazing, but he goes from playing with sub par WR for the past 5-6 yrs, to potentially one of the best groups in the leauge.

He's a great sleeper in FF. I agree in that division it's a below 500 team though

 

[Tubbs1518]

Denver did not have an elite defense. San Diegos is meh. Kansas Cities d was the 25th best in yards per game and 28th in sacks.

 

[futballiscool]

Denver did not have an elite defense. San Diegos is meh. Kansas Cities d was the 25th best in yards per game and 28th in sacks.

They lead the leauge in sacks, were second in yards allowed, fourth in points allowed, third in passing yards allowed, etc..

If they weren't an elite defense, then you're saying there's so such thing. That's a fair arguement, but it applies to the NFCW too.

I agree that it's a tougher scchedule, but the improvement in scheme, skill players etc more than makes up for it imo.

I think his volume stats will be excellent, his effeicency stats will be fair, and his team will finish below .500

Not a stellar year by any means, but good for FF

 

[Tubbs1518]

That's what I've said. I expect 4,000-4,500 yards, 25-28 TD's and 20-23 INTs.

 

[futballiscool]

That's what I've said. I expect 4,000-4,500 yards, 25-28 TD's and 20-23 INTs.

I'm in that ballpark, but with more yards (4400-4700) and less INTs (15-20). That's assuming the WRs stay healthy the whole year too. He goes from WRs who turned catches into INTs to WR who'll turn INTs into catches. The NFCW defenses and Arians aggressive scheme means he'll still throw about 17 or so. Those would be my preseason projections.

 

[cincygrad]

I'm in that ballpark, but with more yards (4400-4700) and less INTs (15-20). That's assuming the WRs stay healthy the whole year too. He goes from WRs who turned catches into INTs to WR who'll turn INTs into catches. The NFCW defenses and Arians aggressive scheme means he'll still throw about 17 or so. Those would be my preseason projections.

Palmer's career high for yardage was just over 4100. And that was playing on a team with a shitty defense, good receivers and good tackle play. I don't see him throwing for more than 4200 under any circumstance. As J-Will says.... I'll be here if I'm wrong.

 

[futballiscool]

Palmer's career high for yardage was just over 4100. And that was playing on a team with a shitty defense, good receivers and good tackle play. I don't see him throwing for more than 4200 under any circumstance. As J-Will says.... I'll be here if I'm wrong.

He averaged 300 yds a start his first season in Oakland. He had 4,000 yds in 14 games last yr. He was playing at over a 4500-4800 yd/season clip in Oakland.

4,000 yds in 2007 was much more difficult to achieve than it is in 2013. It's a different game now. With a pass happy coach and potentially the best group of WRs he's ever thrown I think 4500 yds is very,very reachable..

I'll man-up (is that one word?) if I'm wrong!

 

[cincygrad]

He averaged 300 yds a start his first season in Oakland. He had 4,000 yds in 14 games last yr. He was playing at over a 4500-4800 yd/season clip in Oakland.

4,000 yds in 2007 was much more difficult to achieve than it is in 2013. It's a different game now. With a pass happy coach and potentially the best group of WRs he's ever thrown I think 4500 yds is very,very reachable..

I'll man-up (is that one word?) if I'm wrong!

Good points. 4500 isn't nearly as rare as it used to be and I do think the Arians/Palmer match is a good one. But I suppose the flip side is that Palmer will also be subjected to many more hits in Arians system. No guarantee that he'll be standing for 16 games.