Cam Newton - "Still Our QB"

[sharkymcwrath]

Mac Jones gets three or four days this week of being QB number one. I hope he makes the most of the opportunity.

 

[redseat]

Mac Jones gets three or four days this week of being QB number one. I hope he makes the most of the opportunity.

He had better otherwise he won't get any playing time this season

 

[BigKen]

Vaccinated players are pretty much safe.

Unvaccinated players are potentially exposed on a daily basis.

The rule should be very simple. If you contract covid and are not vaccinated, you're done for the season and you forfeit your paycheck. The union may not like it but the players won't vote to strike or walk out considering 88% of them have had the vaccine.

Just my opinion.

 

[Southieinnc]

Vaccinated players are pretty much safe.

Unvaccinated players are potentially exposed on a daily basis.

The rule should be very simple. If you contract covid and are not vaccinated, you're done for the season and you forfeit your paycheck. The union may not like it but the players won't vote to strike or walk out considering 88% of them have had the vaccine.

Just my opinion.

I look at it like smoking.
I don't care if you choose to die a slow miserable death but don't risk my health while doing it!

 

[nefansince75]

I am most certainly not shitting on anybody who chooses to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated but football is a team sport and as such a player needs to be available to the team.

If Mac is vaccinated then this works to his advantage as we all saw what happened last year when Cam missed time due to Covid. The current rules favor vaccinated players.

Why give Cam the first team reps when he could be out at any given moment?

I'm obviously biased because I want Mac to play.

Cam is in essence vaccinated. Anybody who had Covid earned the antibodies the hard way. The issue gets confused because it really isn't about vaxed or not vaxed, it's about whether you have the antibodies, and if you don't, then vaxing is how you get them.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Cam is in essence vaccinated. Anybody who had Covid earned the antibodies the hard way. The issue gets confused because it really isn't about vaxed or not vaxed, it's about whether you have the antibodies, and if you don't, then vaxing is how you get them.

No doctor but I don't know how medically accurate this is.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

No doctor but I don't know how medically accurate this is.

Even if it is accurate, which I would have no idea but I have heard it said before, I don't think the NFL is taking that into consideration with its Covid rules(otherwise we would not be having this discussion about Cam, right?). I believe the NFL is looking at it as you have either gotten the vaccine or you have not. And it appears Cam has not and is putting the team at risk of losing him.

 

[nefansince75]

Cam is in essence vaccinated. Anybody who had Covid earned the antibodies the hard way. The issue gets confused because it really isn't about vaxed or not vaxed, it's about whether you have the antibodies, and if you don't, then vaxing is how you get them.

No doctor but I don't know how medically accurate this is.

Even if it is accurate, which I would have no idea but I have heard it said before, I don't think the NFL is taking that into consideration with its Covid rules(otherwise we would not be having this discussion about Cam, right?). I believe the NFL is looking at it as you have either gotten the vaccine or you have not. And it appears Cam has not and is putting the team at risk of losing him.

I'm not a doctor either, but I'm pretty confident in my understanding. Of course that doesn't make me right, nor can we certain the NFL policy has it exactly right (positive for antibodies vs "unconditional need for vaccine").

 

[BigKen]

Covid is not a typical disease. It's a form of the Avian Flu that's been played with over and over. Now it's smart enough to find it's own way to deviate and get around common sterilization, like masks and sanitizer. This is nasty little bug and because you've had it, doesn't make you 100% immune. That and it messes up a healthy body. My brother in law got it last Christmas. He home treated himself but finally had to be medically treated. Too late. He was placed in a medical coma for 28 days while on a ventilator. He was taken off the ventilator on Jan. 26. He spent three weeks rehabbing before he could have a visitor and another week before they let him go home.

This was a guy who carried his golf bag and walked the course and played 36 holes three time a week.

August 23 and he has a permanent difibulator and pace maker. He can't even walk his dogs because he doesn't have the breathing capacity to keep up.

He was an anti-vaxxer until February.

 

[Southieinnc]

About the vaccine. We don't know a hell of a lot but we know that people who don't take it are a liability to society.
About the NFL, It is politically motivated as much as anything.
They must have a policy in effect to have games. It has to smell right, it does not need to be right.
About the Delta varient. The vaccine does not provide 100% protection from it or any other varient.
It does make it 99.96% likely that you will not die from it.
I am very much against big-government or big-NFL imposing on my liberties.
I have no problem telling you"take the fucking shot or go home!"

 

[nefansince75]

About the vaccine. We don't know a hell of a lot but we know that people who don't take it are a liability to society.
About the NFL, It is politically motivated as much as anything.
They must have a policy in effect to have games. It has to smell right, it does not need to be right.
About the Delta varient. The vaccine does not provide 100% protection from it or any other varient.
It does make it 99.96% likely that you will not die from it.
I am very much against big-government or big-NFL imposing on my liberties.
I have no problem telling you"take the fucking shot or go home!"

Good summary. I wish we could do multiple reactions because I wanted to add a bullseye, and a laugh, and you are funny, and sad reaction for different statements. Aspects of the topic also make me angry and as a whole the post deserves the love eyes thingy... Hopefully you can take the winner trophy as a nod for all of those!

 

[sharkymcwrath]

Covid is not a typical disease. It's a form of the Avian Flu that's been played with over and over. Now it's smart enough to find it's own way to deviate and get around common sterilization, like masks and sanitizer. This is nasty little bug and because you've had it, doesn't make you 100% immune. That and it messes up a healthy body. My brother in law got it last Christmas. He home treated himself but finally had to be medically treated. Too late. He was placed in a medical coma for 28 days while on a ventilator. He was taken off the ventilator on Jan. 26. He spent three weeks rehabbing before he could have a visitor and another week before they let him go home.

This was a guy who carried his golf bag and walked the course and played 36 holes three time a week.

August 23 and he has a permanent difibulator and pace maker. He can't even walk his dogs because he doesn't have the breathing capacity to keep up.

He was an anti-vaxxer until February.

Holy fuck dude. That's awful.

I don't want to say I was "anti-vax" before but I believed I was strong and healthy enough to handle anything Covid threw my way. That said, I finally read enough of the heartache people were going through to go get the vaccine. It took me a lot of begging but I finally got my wife to go as well.

 

[BigKen]

I don't want to say I was "anti-vax" before but I believed I was strong and healthy enough to handle anything Covid threw my way. That said, I finally read enough of the heartache people were going through to go get the vaccine. It took me a lot of begging but I finally got my wife to go as well.

After seeing him go through that, I didn't have a doubtful bone in my body. I got stuck with #1 Feb.14 and the second one March 14. I'm getting #3 as soon as it's available at the VA. I'm the first who requested it.

 

[wilwhite]

Cam is in essence vaccinated. Anybody who had Covid earned the antibodies the hard way. The issue gets confused because it really isn't about vaxed or not vaxed, it's about whether you have the antibodies, and if you don't, then vaxing is how you get them.

He had it 10 months ago - that protection is probably pretty much gone.

 

[nefansince75]

Holy fuck dude. That's awful.

I don't want to say I was "anti-vax" before but I believed I was strong and healthy enough to handle anything Covid threw my way. That said, I finally read enough of the heartache people were going through to go get the vaccine. It took me a lot of begging but I finally got my wife to go as well.

Your initial reaction is completely within the range of a normal response and I applaud you for learning as Covid progressed. I was warm to the vaccine because early on I didn't think of myself as an individual but as part of a community and the vaccine just seemed smart for the entire community. I wasn't the first in line, but I was working from home and masking up when out. But when the lines were gone I was there. Funny though, my wife somehow adopted an antivax stance... but at least let my 14 yr old kids (two) choose for themselves and they both were smarter than her. Since my kids made the right choice I didn't need to dig in about it. A couple weeks ago my wife broke out of her trance of dumbness and got the first dose.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I'm not a doctor either, but I'm pretty confident in my understanding. Of course that doesn't make me right, nor can we certain the NFL policy has it exactly right (positive for antibodies vs "unconditional need for vaccine").

You are correct. Once you've contracted Covid your immune system builds up natural antibodies. But just like a vaccine over time there are less antibodies remaining. That's why there are boosters. To boost the immune system again. No one can put an exact amount of time on when you are at risk again. They're still studying it based on how severe your covid symptoms were.

I'm not a doctor but I play one in tv.


OK that's not true but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.

 

[BigKen]

You are correct. Once you've contracted Covid your immune system builds up natural antibodies. But just like a vaccine over time there are less antibodies remaining. That's why there are boosters. To boost the immune system again. No one can put an exact amount of time on when you are at risk again. They're still studying it based on how severe your covid symptoms were.

CDC says that the Moderna and Phizer vaccines start to break down after approx. six months. The elderly should get a third (booster) vaccineby at least nine months. J & J vaccine has had problems and is not being used by any major inoculation programs.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

CDC says that the Moderna and Phizer vaccines start to break down after approx. six months. The elderly should get a third (booster) vaccineby at least nine months. J & J vaccine has had problems and is not being used by any major inoculation programs.

Studies in Europe are showing a stronger immune response if the two brands, Moderna and Phizer, are stacked.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

CDC says that the Moderna and Phizer vaccines start to break down after approx. six months. The elderly should get a third (booster) vaccineby at least nine months. J & J vaccine has had problems and is not being used by any major inoculation programs.

What is "break down"?

The CDC is going to have to come up with data better than that. ...like the vaccine is only 50% effective after 1 year.


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[Southieinnc]

You are correct. Once you've contracted Covid your immune system builds up natural antibodies. But just like a vaccine over time there are less antibodies remaining. That's why there are boosters. To boost the immune system again. No one can put an exact amount of time on when you are at risk again. They're still studying it based on how severe your covid symptoms were.

I'm not a doctor but I play one in tv.


OK that's not true but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.

Quite correct. There are multitudes of virus out there and we have caught a bunch of them in our lifetimes.
For some, like several flus, It lasts a few months for some a fe years for others.
Shingles you must get a booster for but one and done.
Norovirus is a couple of months at the most.
Common cold is a couple of months for most people but I have not had a cold in 40 years.

The recommendations for covid are based on all the data that they so far have been able to collect. The data from those thay got poked 9 months ago is limited. Much more data to come.
Meanwhile, vaccination has shown to minimize the number of deaths. You might get a breakthrough infection but you have a very high probability of survival.

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