Bye Week News, Next Up - Redskins vs Giants

[chillerdab]

Allen didn’t dominate bad defenses at any point this season.

I agree DH did nothing to hold onto the role, but is t it odd that he was the first QB replaced in the NFL?

I don't know if it's "odd," per se. I think there has to be more to the story than what we, the public, knows.

If DH isn't preparing the way RR wants him to - staying late, studying film, getting extra reps, etc - then that is clearly on DH.

All I know is that it is unlikely - based on what former players have said about RR - that the problem stems from any kind of lack of clear communication or understanding of what is expected on RR's part.

Isn't that all a player should want? Clear answers, high level of feedback, high level of expectations?

I would be that probably most of the people on this message board have had a boss at one point or another tell them that they aren't performing up to expectations, and need to do the following things better in order to continue to hold a job here, and most likely none of us heard that from an NFL coach.

Bonus if the information you heard from your boss was clearly delivered. It often isn't.

 

[gkekoa]

Why is that odd? He had a new coach that had zero invested in him. But the longer he played and if he didn't pan out, he would've become RR's problem. If RR came to the conclusion that DH was not ready and would not be for the foreseeable future, then I can understand why RR did what he did.

It is odd because DH was a first round, second year pick, under his third coach, second offense, during an offseason restricted year...who had played one of the toughest schedules in the NFL to that point with. A couple of more suitable games approaching.

So of course, let’s yank him for the guy that was brought in to be “the backup” right before we get to the cupcakes.

I understand why RR did what he did. He brought Kyle Allen over here to start and that was always his intention. He brought Allen in to face the Rams because he thought we had a chance and when he realized we didn’t, he left Alex Smith to fend for himself. He then gives Allen the best chance for success he can against the cupcakes and Allen escapes 1-1 against a winless team and a HS football team.

If RR had a sack, he would have started Allen from day one because that is what he wanted. Instead, he destroyed any possibility of seeing improvement in DH or getting anything of value in a trade.

 

[gkekoa]

I don't know if it's "odd," per se. I think there has to be more to the story than what we, the public, knows.

If DH isn't preparing the way RR wants him to - staying late, studying film, getting extra reps, etc - then that is clearly on DH.

All I know is that it is unlikely - based on what former players have said about RR - that the problem stems from any kind of lack of clear communication or understanding of what is expected on RR's part.

Isn't that all a player should want? Clear answers, high level of feedback, high level of expectations?

I would be that probably most of the people on this message board have had a boss at one point or another tell them that they aren't performing up to expectations, and need to do the following things better in order to continue to hold a job here, and most likely none of us heard that from an NFL coach.

Bonus if the information you heard from your boss was clearly delivered. It often isn't.

I don’t doubt any of those reports...while doubting all of them. It is confusing the world we live in.

The problem started from the moment Kyle Allen was brought here as a “backup.”

 

[j_y19]

It is odd because DH was a first round, second year pick, under his third coach, second offense, during an offseason restricted year...who had played one of the toughest schedules in the NFL to that point with. A couple of more suitable games approaching.

So of course, let’s yank him for the guy that was brought in to be “the backup” right before we get to the cupcakes.

I understand why RR did what he did. He brought Kyle Allen over here to start and that was always his intention. He brought Allen in to face the Rams because he thought we had a chance and when he realized we didn’t, he left Alex Smith to fend for himself. He then gives Allen the best chance for success he can against the cupcakes and Allen escapes 1-1 against a winless team and a HS football team.

If RR had a sack, he would have started Allen from day one because that is what he wanted. Instead, he destroyed any possibility of seeing improvement in DH or getting anything of value in a trade.

Can't really argue with much of this other then it was RR's intention to start Kyle all along. I can see a situation where RR intended to give DH the team and the opportunity to grow with them. However, it could be that DH just isn't very good and wasn't committed to becoming better as he needed to do. So RR punted. This could be a realistic scenario also.

 

[gkekoa]

Can't really argue with much of this other then it was RR's intention to start Kyle all along. I can see a situation where RR intended to give DH the team and the opportunity to grow with them. However, it could be that DH just isn't very good and wasn't committed to becoming better as he needed to do. So RR punted. This could be a realistic scenario also.

It could be a realistic scenario; however, it doesn’t make much sense.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Got to add the xfactor...Danny Boy. Then the no sense (nonsense) makes sense. Ha!

 

[j_y19]

It could be a realistic scenario; however, it doesn’t make much sense.

Which part? The part about him determining that DH wasn't going to make it anytime soon?

 

[gkekoa]

Which part? The part about him determining that DH wasn't going to make it anytime soon?

The whole episode. You can’t claim it is an evaluation year and then make this QB change Just before the easy part of the schedule.

From there, the optics of pulling DH and putting in your hand-picked QB in at the easy part, setting him up for success. Then, the Rams game, not putting Allen back in when he was fine, and sacrificing Alex Smith...it seems very suspect to me.

 

[Sportster 72]

There were many people who thought DH was not 1st round material. Dan wanted him due to the fact that he went to the same HS as his son. Since when have we ever trusted Dan to make personnel decisions.

As far as DH winning the Giants game .... maybe but I am not sure he had four 70 yard drives in his four games much less in one game. At the same time I am not expecting Allen to be the long term answer.

 

[skinz2winz]

It would be a mistake imo to try n make him strictly a RB. Just one's opinion.

I can agree Breed however, Gibson is every bit as dynamic as McCaffery but with more size and speed.

 

[Breed]

Got to add the xfactor...Danny Boy. Then the no sense (nonsense) makes sense. Ha!

Yep.

 

[Breed]

I can agree Breed however, Gibson is every bit as dynamic as McCaffery but with more size and speed.

That's pretty high praise, skinz, but therein might be the problem as well. While Gibson is bigger than Cmac by 20 some pounds and may be as good. That doesn't ensure he can handle the double digit workload. Cmac's RB workload has increased every year. From 117 carries to 219 carries to a career high last year of 287 carries. A high he was on pace to smash with 41 carries in 2 games this year till he got hurt.

I just hope WFT doesn't overload Gibson run-wise and neglect his receiving skills. Which a case can already be made I'm afraid. As Gibson only has 19 rec in 7 games, many of which seemed to be dump-offs as opposed to Gibson running a pattern including 0 rec against Dallas last week.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I just hope WFT doesn't overload Gibson run-wise and neglect his receiving skills

In addition, JDR has said, on more than one occasion that they need to be careful how many carries they give Gibson. They’ve slowly added to the load. All the more reason to even out touches with McKissck, as I previously mentioned

 

[skinsdad62]

Haskins is done as a Teamer and he was mishandled

Allen is Rex Grossman

Rebuild set back a year because we missed at qb last year

 

[Stymietee]

That’s way too reasonable and sensible Sty.

To be fair, I do believe there lies a possible scenario where Kyle improves...like Breed mentioned earlier. It will be much easier to assess by the end of the season.

OK, I'll bite, what's the scenario?

In addition, what's the scenario in which he could improve and the guy (DH) with the greater tools and upside could not?

 

[Stymietee]

Why is that odd? He had a new coach that had zero invested in him. But the longer he played and if he didn't pan out, he would've become RR's problem. If RR came to the conclusion that DH was not ready and would not be for the foreseeable future, then I can understand why RR did what he did.

Let me ask if this can be said about every remaining player on a team when a new HC is hired? Yeah, yeah, yeah, QB's are different, but that's because, this coach sucks at working with QB's. His choices thus far, an incredibly talented stud crossdresser and Kyle farkin' Allen! That's impressive!

 

[Stymietee]

Haskins is done as a Teamer and he was mishandled

Allen is Rex Grossman

Rebuild set back a year because we missed at qb last year

Stop insulting Rex Grossman! At least there was good Rex/bad Rex, with Allen it's just Kyle being Kyle.

 

[skinsdad62]

Stop insulting Rex Grossman! At least there was good Rex/bad Rex, with Allen it's just Kyle being Kyle.

It floats from Rex to Tim
Allen

 

[Caliskinsfan]

OK, I'll bite, what's the scenario?

In addition, what's the scenario in which he could improve and the guy (DH) with the greater tools and upside could not?

Where Kyle learns ball security and makes better decisions when faced with uncertainty on the football field...ie stop pressing... That he elevates the players around him, not by being a transitional player himself, but because he understands his role on a TEAM and plays accordingly.

DH needs to do the work that is visible to all that he is about improving himself and TEAM (before brand and his own stats) and he should get a shot again. Doesn’t matter the talent, if you don’t recognize this in the real world, imo.

 

[skinz2winz]

Haskins is done as a Teamer and he was mishandled

Allen is Rex Grossman

Rebuild set back a year because we missed at qb last year

And that is RR's fault?

 

[skinsdad62]

And that is RR's fault?

No it isn’t totally