Buyer or Seller?

[calsnowskier]

I'm actually impressed by what FZ got in return for him.

I have no problem with any of the deals that were made. Each, in a bubble, look fine.

But i question his priorities. If he wasn’t working these tiny little deck chair trades, might he have had the time to get a Joc or Rodon trade done?

 

[msgkings322]

I have no problem with any of the deals that were made. Each, in a bubble, look fine.

But i question his priorities. If he wasn’t working these tiny little deck chair trades, might he have had the time to get a Joc or Rodon trade done?

I doubt those deals didn't get done because he was too busy to work on them, come on man...

I'm sure when asked he'll say something about "we didn't like what was offered and he's been a great part of this team and we are still in it and fighting to win this year"

 

[LHG]

I have no problem with any of the deals that were made. Each, in a bubble, look fine.

But i question his priorities. If he wasn’t working these tiny little deck chair trades, might he have had the time to get a Joc or Rodon trade done?

I doubt those deals didn't get done because he was too busy to work on them, come on man...

I'm sure when asked he'll say something about "we didn't like what was offered and he's been a great part of this team and we are still in it and fighting to win this year"

I think a more likely reason Rodon and Pederson did not get traded was due to the fact that FZ clearly stated that he wasn't selling and then, suddenly, changed his mind two days before the deadline. Yeah, I know that FO execs lie all the time and teams still check in but, at the same time, FO execs are going to focus on those they know are selling or are at least not saying that they are not selling.

 

[calsnowskier]

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He was the #19 prospect in the Brewers system on the MLB site.

 

[tzill]

And there is no guarantee that a comp pick will be had if Rodon walks. I expect the QO system to be gone this offseason.

Mark Feinsand @Feinsand

2m



Qualifying offer candidates this winter now include Willson Contreras, J.D. Martinez and Carlos Rodon. Noah Syndergaard will be ineligible since he received one last year.

 

[jeep99tj]

Who would have thought Ruf getting traded would be our blockbuster deal.

 

[tzill]

In a vaccum the Giants won all of these trades, including pulling a legit prospect out of paying rosenthal for a week and a half, and I get to keep watching rodon. But, it feels like the plan is to keep getting slightly positive value out of role player trades and see what happens.

 

[calsnowskier]

In a vaccum the Giants won all of these trades, including pulling a legit prospect out of paying rosenthal for a week and a half, and I get to keep watching rodon. But, it feels like the plan is to keep getting slightly positive value out of role player trades and see what happens.

Peter’s looks nice, but what is his ceiling? 4th OF?

Great. Like you said, nice pickup for Rosenthal. But we can make that trade 1000 times and we won’t be anywhere closer to a playoff team. We have to get a Volpe or a Hassell or a Soto or a …. We need to start locking down roster slots for the next few years with difference makers. Acquiring hole-filler after hole-filler is getting no where fast.

 

[tzill]

Peter’s looks nice, but what is his ceiling? 4th OF?

Great. Like you said, nice pickup for Rosenthal. But we can make that trade 1000 times and we won’t be anywhere closer to a playoff team. We have to get a Volpe or a Hassell or a Soto or a …. We need to start locking down roster slots for the next few years with difference makers. Acquiring hole-filler after hole-filler is getting no where fast.

I guess the argument is you're increasing organizational capital that you can use to get somebody like an Ohtani.

 

[calsnowskier]

I guess the argument is you're increasing organizational capital that you can use to get somebody like an Ohtani.

But what is it going to cost us when we are the runner ups in the Ohtani sweepstakes?

 

[tzill]

But what is it going to cost us when we are the runner ups in the Ohtani sweepstakes?

Well, if you KNOW that's how it's going to end, there is no point. The plan is to eventually NOT be the runner up

 

[LHG]

Mark Feinsand @Feinsand

2m



Qualifying offer candidates this winter now include Willson Contreras, J.D. Martinez and Carlos Rodon. Noah Syndergaard will be ineligible since he received one last year.

I understand that the deadline to implement an international draft was July 25th but I am skeptical that is all we hear about it. I wouldn't be surprised if MLB and MLBPA make concessions and eliminate the QO system.

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[Stokes1931]

Committed to stabilizing defense going forward?!? Why the hell did we sign all these DH types anyway? I liked Ruf, but he was a true DH, and because of injuries he had to play way more in the field that he should have.

We'll have to wait and see how all this plays out, but at this point, all these trades together change absolutely nothing about the team's makeup in 2022. None of the guys we traded for is a difference maker. And none of these guys coming here are anyone I'd pay $6 to see even in the AFL. Color me disappointed, until more clarity comes out.

 

[jeep99tj]

Committed to stabilizing defense going forward?!? Why the hell did we sign all these DH types anyway? I liked Ruf, but he was a true DH, and because of injuries he had to play way more in the field that he should have.

We'll have to wait and see how all this plays out, but at this point, all these trades together change absolutely nothing about the team's makeup in 2022. None of the guys we traded for is a difference maker. And none of these guys coming here are anyone I'd pay $6 to see even in the AFL. Color me disappointed, until more clarity comes out.

On the outside it looks like we traded apples for apples and oranges for oranges. Not sure what the thought process is but I guess we’re gonna find out.

 

[tzill]

Outfield prospect Tristan Peters, who was promoted to AA by the Brewers just before the trade, will be assigned to the Giants AA affiliate.

 

[tzill]

Farhan Zaidi said the Giants discussed Juan Soto with the Nats, who ultimately liked the package from San Diego better. Zaidi said no prospect was off the table.

 

[calsnowskier]

Farhan Zaidi said the Giants discussed Juan Soto with the Nats, who ultimately liked the package from San Diego better. Zaidi said no prospect was off the table.

Assuming he is being honest, that tells me he offer ONE of Harrison/Luciano, plus other pieces. I can’t imagine they would have turned down BOTH Harrison and Luciano (plus).

 

[msgkings322]

Assuming he is being honest, that tells me he offer ONE of Harrison/Luciano, plus other pieces. I can’t imagine they would have turned down BOTH Harrison and Luciano (plus).

Didnt the Padres give up like 4 of their top 5 prospects? No way we could beat that. On the radio they said if FZ had been really creative he could have dealt Rodon and Joc for 2-3 big prospects then add in Luciano and someone and maybe get it done.

I suspect what happened was everyone lowballed us on Rodon and FZ thought better to not just take whatever because then he has the rep of being the guy who will sell cheap

 

[Mays-Fan]

Didnt the Padres give up like 4 of their top 5 prospects? No way we could beat that. On the radio they said if FZ had been really creative he could have dealt Rodon and Joc for 2-3 big prospects then add in Luciano and someone and maybe get it done.

I suspect what happened was everyone lowballed us on Rodon and FZ thought better to not just take whatever because then he has the rep of being the guy who will sell cheap

Not discussed here yet that I saw is that Soto bats lefty, and lefty power hitters don't fare well in our park, Teh Lord notwithstanding. Soto may have included that in his thinking.

 

[msgkings322]

Not discussed here yet that I saw is that Soto bats lefty, and lefty power hitters don't fare well in our park, Teh Lord notwithstanding. Soto may have included that in his thinking.

Well, Soto had no choice in the matter, he could express a preference but he's not an FA until after 2024. But yeah, the thought might have been that no way he'd re-sign here for that reason and why strip the farm for 2+ years when they are more than one bat away from contending.