Broncos/Bears time to get back on track

[AmericanTebowFan]

Yup that has been his MO his entire career. Now while he is keeping the interceptions down it just means they have been playing more field position football instead of him putting his defense in a bad spot. The defense being near the bottom in the league in points per game given up then should show they are at best a very inconsistent defense. They have played some great games like holding the Chiefs to 17 or the Rams to 13 but then they have had the 48 they gave up to the Cardinals or 37 they gave up to the Lions.

One stat that has to improve for the Broncos in this one though is what they do on 1st and 2nd down. Part of the problem for the offense this year has been that no other team in the league has had as many 3rd down and 8 or longer plays. We are not getting it done on the early plays on the ground or through the air. We have to pick up positive yards. This is where @randymon would say "we have to get the run game going." I agree. The run game is going to have to step up. As I listed before I do like the chances of the run game having a bit more success in this one.

You guys didn't do your homework. Cutler missed the Seattle game with the hamstring injury. They scored ZERO points in that game with Clausen. That skewed the points per game for the season. In the 8 games that Cutler has started, they have averaged 24.9 points per game. Cutler has played at a very high level. 95.3 passer rating and he's ranked #9 in QBR. Don't let that 1 game against Seattle where Cutler didn't play fool you into thinking the Chicago offense hasn't been good. They couldn't do a thing with Clausen that day, but they've been good with Cutler. 25 points per game with Cutler is good. They've been throwing it plenty too. Plenty of games where Cutler has 40+ attempts, so his small amount of INTs isn't a case of them being overly conservative with him. He's simply playing at a very high level.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

Also keep in mind that Cutler got hurt late in the 1st half of the Arizona game. He had the offense rolling vs Arizona, but in the 2nd half when Clausen played they scored 3 points. So that skews it even more. The Bears are in the top 10 in points per game when Cutler played, and hands down the lowest scoring team in the game and a half that Clausen played. You have to do your homework rather than just assuming it's the same Cutler that puts up yards but can't score.

 

[WalkerBoh]

Sounds like Manning hasn't talked to Osweiler at all this week.

But if you believe Brandon Marshall, Osweiler is up for the challenge.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

Sounds like Manning hasn't talked to Osweiler at all this week.

But if you believe Brandon Marshall, Osweiler is up for the challenge.

I'm not surprised to hear that Manning hasn't helped Osweiler this week. I've read things through the years that have led me to believe that he's never been popular with the backup QBs on his teams. Like how it's a real struggle to get him to come out of blowout games, because he doesn't want the backup QB to get any snaps. Most starting QBs do a lot to help backup QBs when they start. Manning has always seemed like a classy guy overall, but this is one thing about him that has always bothered me. Sadly, I believe that Manning is rooting for Osweiler to fail so there will be no QB controversy when he's healthy enough to return.

 

[cdumler7]

Also keep in mind that Cutler got hurt late in the 1st half of the Arizona game. He had the offense rolling vs Arizona, but in the 2nd half when Clausen played they scored 3 points. So that skews it even more. The Bears are in the top 10 in points per game when Cutler played, and hands down the lowest scoring team in the game and a half that Clausen played. You have to do your homework rather than just assuming it's the same Cutler that puts up yards but can't score.

Actually it would not put them top-10. They would be right at 10th or 11th. Next you did not read what I wrote.

1) I said that 26-0 loss to the Seahawks hurt so I made sure in my stats to understand that part of it. The bigger thought though of why Cutler is very similar to the same guy he has been his whole career in he is better at racking up yards than he is touchdowns. The Bears are 26th in Red Zone efficiency. That game against Seattle has nothing to do with that stat. That has everything to do with Cutler in at QB. That is why I said that the Bears rely a lot more on big plays to try and score points because in the Red Zone they are really struggling to score. It is why Chicago is 19th in yards per point. They can rack up the yards but points wise not always there. It is why they are 5th in field goal tries this year with a majority of those being from 39 yards and in (That would usually mean a field goal try from 30 yards and in).

The biggest difference between this Cutler and the old is he isn't costing his team points by throwing costly interceptions. So they have been able to keep the points up by kicking field goals. It is why they are 24th in touchdowns scored per game on offense.

So again while Cutler is showing improvement in decision making it isn't always showing up on the score board.

 

[cdumler7]

I'm not surprised to hear that Manning hasn't helped Osweiler this week. I've read things through the years that have led me to believe that he's never been popular with the backup QBs on his teams. Like how it's a real struggle to get him to come out of blowout games, because he doesn't want the backup QB to get any snaps. Most starting QBs do a lot to help backup QBs when they start. Manning has always seemed like a classy guy overall, but this is one thing about him that has always bothered me. Sadly, I believe that Manning is rooting for Osweiler to fail so there will be no QB controversy when he's healthy enough to return.

Coaches told him not to be on the field. This has nothing to do with Manning not wanting to help Osweiler out. This has everything to do with the coaches wanting Manning to get healthy and keeping distractions away from Osweiler. Manning has said and Osweiler as well that any help Osweiler needs all he has to do is ask. Manning said that he doesn't want to just be another voice in Osweiler's head telling him what to do as he will have plenty of those all week.

 

[Broncosr0k]

Coaches told him not to be on the field. This has nothing to do with Manning not wanting to help Osweiler out. This has everything to do with the coaches wanting Manning to get healthy and keeping distractions away from Osweiler. Manning has said and Osweiler as well that any help Osweiler needs all he has to do is ask. Manning said that he doesn't want to just be another voice in Osweiler's head telling him what to do as he will have plenty of those all week.

This is what I read as well. There was an article somewhere that had a very misleading headline but when you read it, it sounded more like the coaches were keeping him away. I would guess they want Manning to heal up and wanting to keep distractions for Osweiler to a minimum. He will have a lot to learn and handle this week without pumping Manning's enormous football IQ for more information.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

Actually it would not put them top-10. They would be right at 10th or 11th. Next you did not read what I wrote.

1) I said that 26-0 loss to the Seahawks hurt so I made sure in my stats to understand that part of it. The bigger thought though of why Cutler is very similar to the same guy he has been his whole career in he is better at racking up yards than he is touchdowns. The Bears are 26th in Red Zone efficiency. That game against Seattle has nothing to do with that stat. That has everything to do with Cutler in at QB. That is why I said that the Bears rely a lot more on big plays to try and score points because in the Red Zone they are really struggling to score. It is why Chicago is 19th in yards per point. They can rack up the yards but points wise not always there. It is why they are 5th in field goal tries this year with a majority of those being from 39 yards and in (That would usually mean a field goal try from 30 yards and in).

The biggest difference between this Cutler and the old is he isn't costing his team points by throwing costly interceptions. So they have been able to keep the points up by kicking field goals. It is why they are 24th in touchdowns scored per game on offense.

So again while Cutler is showing improvement in decision making it isn't always showing up on the score board.

24.9 points per game when Cutler starts. That's good, unless you don't think that 10th is good. Most people think that 10th out of 32 teams is good. And yes, being 10th would rank as being in the top 10. The very last slot in top 10, but it's top 10. It does not matter how you score the points, as long as you score the points. The Bears have been a good scoring team with Cutler under center. The Seattle game, where Cutler didn't play at all, brought down the points per game down big-time for Chicago. So I just wanted to make that clear for people that were claiming it's the same old Cutler. He is playing much better than at any other time in his career. He's never had a passer rating in the mid 90s. He's always topped out in the high 80s, even during periods in which he's had little hot streaks. Cutler is playing by far the best football of his career, and it's especially impressive because their offense has been hit hard by injuries. He hasn't even had Jeffery to throw to for a good chunk of this season. He's also been doing a tremendous job moving around in the pocket to avoid pressure and extend plays, as you pointed out in one of your posts. No one can deny that Cutler is playing at a high level this season. Everyone that has been watching him is very impressed and commenting that they've never seen him play at this level.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

Coaches told him not to be on the field. This has nothing to do with Manning not wanting to help Osweiler out. This has everything to do with the coaches wanting Manning to get healthy and keeping distractions away from Osweiler. Manning has said and Osweiler as well that any help Osweiler needs all he has to do is ask. Manning said that he doesn't want to just be another voice in Osweiler's head telling him what to do as he will have plenty of those all week.

I don't care. Most QBs still go out of the way to help the backup, even if they're focused on recovering from injury. Look at how Manning pouted on the sideline last week after he went out. If Cutler had done that, it would be a big story. I've always been able to see that Manning hasn't believed in helping the backup QB much. There have been stories written about that, like how he refuses to come out of blowout games or give the backup a few reps in practice.

 

[iknowftbll]

I don't care. Most QBs still go out of the way to help the backup, even if they're focused on recovering from injury. Look at how Manning pouted on the sideline last week after he went out. If Cutler had done that, it would be a big story. I've always been able to see that Manning hasn't believed in helping the backup QB much. There have been stories written about that, like how he refuses to come out of blowout games or give the backup a few reps in practice.

Manning didn't "pout" on the sideline. Gimme a break. Sure he wasn't all smiles and cracking jokes but with the way he and the offense played there was no place for that on the Broncos sideline anyway. I'm not sure what you have against Manning, but he's the best thing to happen to this Broncos team in recent years. The team has fallen short with him as their QB, but they've far surpassed where they were before he arrived. If you are a Broncos fan you can appreciate this. If you are a Bears or Tebow fan pretending to be a Broncos fan this may be lost on you.

 

[Broncosr0k]

He is a Cutler/Tebow fan first and foremost. (Probably only) It was not long ago he was arguing that we should have kept Tebow and that Manning would not amount to much here.

 

[iknowftbll]

He is a Cutler/Tebow fan first and foremost. (Probably only) It was not long ago he was arguing that we should have kept Tebow and that Manning would not amount to much here.

One thing I've noticed over the years are the pretend Broncos fans always seem to be Bears fans as their "#2 team" and are always very critical of the Broncos and big time Bears apologists. ATF isn't the first, but I think it's funny these types always seem to be "Broncos/Bears" fans. Most people pick a team and stick with it.

 

[cdumler7]

24.9 points per game when Cutler starts. That's good, unless you don't think that 10th is good. Most people think that 10th out of 32 teams is good. And yes, being 10th would rank as being in the top 10. The very last slot in top 10, but it's top 10. It does not matter how you score the points, as long as you score the points. The Bears have been a good scoring team with Cutler under center. The Seattle game, where Cutler didn't play at all, brought down the points per game down big-time for Chicago. So I just wanted to make that clear for people that were claiming it's the same old Cutler. He is playing much better than at any other time in his career. He's never had a passer rating in the mid 90s. He's always topped out in the high 80s, even during periods in which he's had little hot streaks. Cutler is playing by far the best football of his career, and it's especially impressive because their offense has been hit hard by injuries. He hasn't even had Jeffery to throw to for a good chunk of this season. He's also been doing a tremendous job moving around in the pocket to avoid pressure and extend plays, as you pointed out in one of your posts. No one can deny that Cutler is playing at a high level this season. Everyone that has been watching him is very impressed and commenting that they've never seen him play at this level.

I didn't say the offense was terrible. I said that they have their struggles. The stats I used about Red Zone efficiency show that they have their struggles. Those are the same struggles he had in Denver when we had the 2nd ranked offense in total yards but were terrible in points per game. He is a little better this year in points per game though because he has cut down the turnovers. Again something I have acknowledged. He has always been great at moving the football. It has always been a struggle to score touchdowns. As for Jeffrey not being there that is again a load of crap. Jeffery has played in 5 of the 8 games that that Cutler has started this year. So he has been with him most of the season. Forte has been out but not like the running game has taken much of a hit with the emergence of Langford and Carey both doing well.

As for your thoughts on Manning I guess we will just have to continue to agree to disagree. To me honestly I think he is doing a great job of trying to make this week all about Osweiler. He isn't out at practice having all the media dissect everything that he is saying and doing. He is getting treatment to get better and letting Osweiler be the leader of the team. Throw in if he was on the sideline this coming Sunday where do you think the cameras would go everytime Osweiler does something good or bad. Instead he is staying back to continue to get treatment and let Osweiler be Osweiler.

Throw in Manning did not pout on the sidelines. He actually was talking to the OC and Osweiler both from what I understand helping him out even after having a terrible game. Throw in how do you think he felt after throwing 4 picks and seeing his team really struggle? Wouldn't you be a little upset too?

Now I'm going to throw out this warning to you ATF. We have had these problems before on this board (plus ESPN) where you worked to dominate the conversation and make it more about your favorite player and tearing down the rest of the Broncos organization. I am the moderator on this board and I hate to pull power ever but I don't want this entire week to be about Cutler or you tearing down a player that has been such a huge part of the Broncos organization and helping them to become a very relevant franchise once again. Manning deserves a bit more respect. So please keep that in mind.

 

[randymon]

ATF has always been a joke. Don't let him get to you. Just can him. Everyone else has. Anyone who has a crush on Tebow and Justin Bieber has some real issues for sure

 

[cdumler7]

ATF has always been a joke. Don't let him get to you. Just can him. Everyone else has. Anyone who has a crush on Tebow and Justin Bieber has some real issues for sure

I'm not letting him get to me just letting him know that while ESPN allowed his trolling that won't quite fly here. I do have some actual power to control some of that on this board. I don't exercise it very often but every once in a while some trolls need to be put in their place. Just watch out for this next week it could get interesting.

 

[TDs3nOut]

ATF is a Broncos fan. He posted on the Broncos board on espn for a number of years. He changes his mind about different players, though his current infatuation with Sweet Baby Jay has lasted longer than I would ever have suspected.

 

[WalkerBoh]

There's a pretty handy ignore feature for guys like ATF. I found it quite useful

As for Manning definitely the press is making hay out of nothing here. While historically it's true he didn't interact much with his backups, that hasn't been the case with Osweiler. Probably Manning realizing his time is growing short the past few years has a lot to do with that. And it probably also says a lot about his opinion of Osweiler too.

 

[cdumler7]

There's a pretty handy ignore feature for guys like ATF. I found it quite useful

As for Manning definitely the press is making hay out of nothing here. While historically it's true he didn't interact much with his backups, that hasn't been the case with Osweiler. Probably Manning realizing his time is growing short the past few years has a lot to do with that. And it probably also says a lot about his opinion of Osweiler too.

There is some article that I will have to try and find that part of Manning coming here was that he wanted the Broncos to agree to draft his replacement. He didn't want another situation in Indy where his team went from one of the best to worst in football because he was injured. He wanted the team to be better prepared for his absence whether through injury or retirement. He also wanted to be a part in helping train up the player. Osweiler and coaches have all said that during meetings and film time Osweiler sits right next to Manning and Manning takes the time to explain everything he is seeing about how to read the defense, what hot routes to run, when to audible, pretty much everything that it takes to be a great QB. So for those saying Manning is being a terrible teammate they just don't understand the full picture of what is happening here.

 

[AmericanTebowFan]

One thing I've noticed over the years are the pretend Broncos fans always seem to be Bears fans as their "#2 team" and are always very critical of the Broncos and big time Bears apologists. ATF isn't the first, but I think it's funny these types always seem to be "Broncos/Bears" fans. Most people pick a team and stick with it.

I guess you missed my posts throughout this season where I kept defending Manning and said he should NOT be benched, despite many other fans calling for him to be benched. I've been very optimistic about the Broncos this season and said I thought Manning would dig down deep and play big games in the playoffs. But that last performance changed everything for me. I can no longer defend Manning throwing to the other team a couple times every week, even if injuries are a part of it. A lot of it has just been bad decision making. His confidence is shot. I am a Broncos fan, and the Bears are my 2nd favorite team because of Cutler. I gave up on Tebow a long time ago. He's a HORRENDOUS QB. I just kept this SN for name recognition.

 

[cdumler7]

I guess you missed my posts throughout this season where I kept defending Manning and said he should NOT be benched, despite many other fans calling for him to be benched. I've been very optimistic about the Broncos this season and said I thought Manning would dig down deep and play big games in the playoffs. But that last performance changed everything for me. I can no longer defend Manning throwing to the other team a couple times every week, even if injuries are a part of it. A lot of it has just been bad decision making. His confidence is shot. I am a Broncos fan, and the Bears are my 2nd favorite team because of Cutler. I gave up on Tebow a long time ago. He's a HORRENDOUS QB. I just kept this SN for name recognition.

Right but then you came here not just questioning his ability to play but now his leadership and attitude towards the team. That is going beyond just his play on the field. Throw in you have done this just about every time Manning has had a bad game on this board to then come and rip on him saying "See told you he is getting old and just can't play anymore." It has been the same story with you.