BREAKING: TOM BRADY SUSPENDED!

[TheRangerDude]

 

[WizardHawk]

Whats the compelling evidence? Thats what noone is actually saying. It sounds like it is just the judges opinion that they think Brady is lying.

Can someone please share this compelling evidence? It would make the story a whole lot clearer.

Yes yes, this is the standard response from the Brady apologists. It's out there in full detail and literally everyone else in the entire world sees it and understands it.

I could show you a video of Tom himself deflating the balls and you (and your ilk) would say it was faked and stick to the denial. There is no point in even attempting reasonable attempts to go over any of it because of that. Who wants to beat their head against the same wall over and over again?

 

[WizardHawk]

Where is this in the opinion?

OK, I'll post it yet again since it's clearly in every copy of the story I've seen and it seems you haven't seen it.

Circuit Judge Denny Chin said evidence of ball tampering was "compelling, if not overwhelming" and that there was evidence that Brady "knew about it, consented to it, encouraged it."

Crystal clear opinion of a member of the panel.

Further,

Parker said the cellphone destruction raised the stakes "from air in a football to compromising the integrity of a proceeding that the commissioner had convened."

"So why couldn't the commissioner suspend Mr. Brady for that conduct alone?" he asked. Parker added: "With all due respect, Mr. Brady's explanation of that made no sense whatsoever."

Parker was also critical of the NFL at the arguments, saying Brady's lengthy suspension seemed at "first blush a draconian penalty."

Note that in the last paragraph the same one critical of Brady's destruction of evidence was also critical of the extent of the penalty given. Which I won't argue with BTW, but there is a big difference between asking if he was guilty of any wrongdoing and questioning how far the punishment should go.

Anything else you need quoted?

 

[clemtheslowson]

Now that Brady is exposed, will he ever be welcomed back to Ann Arbor?

Why would he want to go back to that shithole?

 

[TheRangerDude]

Which data, which set of gauges, which set of measurements? You have to compare known samples. Never mind ESPN has you.

This data:



So, do you think this data was falsified? The same gauges were used for both teams, so the measurements are comparable.

 

[Tech_God]

This data:

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So, do you think this data was falsified? The same gauges were used for both teams, so the measurements are comparable.

Interesting. I'm going to assume that Prioleau tested the Pat's balls (God, that doesn't sound right) before Blakeman. It looks like you lose at least 0.3 lbs of air during testing. Because if that isn't happening, then I question the calibration of their equipment with a standard deviation like that. However, the data shows an obvious difference regarding the pressure of the footballs between the two teams.

 

[TheRangerDude]

Here is the most damning thing IMO. According to the refs, the Pats balls started off at the minimum 12.5 psi and the Colt at 13 psi. Even if you look at the 4 Pats balls with the lowest pressure change, those 4 balls have double the standard deviation of the Colts balls. That is the say that the changes in pressure are not as consistent with the Pats balls as they are with the Colts by 200%. This is precisely what you would expect if the balls had been tampered with. It would be difficult to be consistent with how much air you let out.

For reference, the standard deviations are:

Pats 4 least changed balls: +/- 0.31 psi
Colts Balls: +/- 0.15 psi

If you add in the balls with more change, Pats number goes up +/- 0.4 psi.

 

[TheRangerDude]

Interesting. I'm going to assume that Prioleau tested the Pat's balls (God, that doesn't sound right) before Blakeman. It looks like you lose at least 0.3 lbs of air during testing. Because if that isn't happening, then I question the calibration of their equipment with a standard deviation like that. However, the data shows an obvious difference regarding the pressure of the footballs between the two teams.

Actually they just found that one of the gauges measured about 0.35 psi high. This was consistent on all the balls except the Colts Ball with the *. Note also that the refs evidently switched gauges when they measured the Colts Balls.

During halftime, the referees used two gauges on each ball: the same Non-Logo Gauge that Wells believes to be have been used by Anderson before the game to confirm the pre-game pressure, and an additional Logo Gauge. The Logo Gauge appears to consistently run at least 0.35 psi above the (accurately calibrated)[9]:Appendix 1, 45 non-Logo gauge, but both were determined to be extremely consistent and precise. In particular, the Logo gauge is inaccurate (it runs high) but is precise (it consistently runs high by the same amount every time), and therefore can be used as additional confirmation that the non-Logo measurement is correct (with the exception of Colts ball #3, below). Wells believes that Blakeman and Prioleau used the Non-Logo and Logo gauges respectively in the Patriots halftime tests, and that the two of them switched gauges with each other for the Colts halftime test.

 

[cerealboi]

OK, I'll post it yet again since it's clearly in every copy of the story I've seen and it seems you haven't seen it.



Crystal clear opinion of a member of the panel.

Further,



Note that in the last paragraph the same one critical of Brady's destruction of evidence was also critical of the extent of the penalty given. Which I won't argue with BTW, but there is a big difference between asking if he was guilty of any wrongdoing and questioning how far the punishment should go.

Anything else you need quoted?

Yeah. Where in the written opinion that came out yesterday is any of the stuff about "overwhelming" evidence of ball tampering. Hint: it's not in there. You are quoting comments made at oral argument that were, interestingly enough, not included in the written opinion of the court. The opinion of the court, if you ever bother to read it, says they are specifically not going to weigh in the evidence other than to say that given Goodell's broad powers he was in his right to level a 4 game suspension.

 

[RegentDenali]

Pats lost any shread of credibility they had left when they actually tried to claim the equipment manager in charge of game day balls got the nickname "The deflator" because he lost weight during the season.

That's when you knew the Pats were guilty as fuck.

And Pats fans actually bought that excuse. That was just unreal.

Glad justice is finally served.

 

[WizardHawk]

Yeah. Where in the written opinion that came out yesterday is any of the stuff about "overwhelming" evidence of ball tampering. Hint: it's not in there. You are quoting comments made at oral argument that were, interestingly enough, not included in the written opinion of the court. The opinion of the court, if you ever bother to read it, says they are specifically not going to weigh in the evidence other than to say that given Goodell's broad powers he was in his right to level a 4 game suspension.

You are talking in circles just to see your text aren't you.

I already said the actual ruling was entirely based on whether or not the NFL simply followed their own rules. I said the two aren't mutually exclusive and that their opinions were noted and directly gave you those quotes.

And the only dissenting opinion was entirely because he thought the NFL was basically too harsh and didn't even consider other penalties (Which I've also already said I do not necessarily disagree with).

Pull your collective heads out of your asses Pats fans and just deal with it. Brady is a known cheater with a tarnished legacy and once again I'll point out that you still enjoyed those SB wins whether or not they were earned/deserved so why not just own up to it and move on?

Judges in this case did indeed publicly make statements about Brady's involvement. This is a pure fact. It's there in black and white. Deal with it.

 

[Rock Strongo]

The dissenting opinion is what helps brady. So far, the judges have been split in their takes on this mess.

I think because its so high profile and does involve a labor dispute, it goes to the next round.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Yeah. Where in the written opinion that came out yesterday is any of the stuff about "overwhelming" evidence of ball tampering. Hint: it's not in there. You are quoting comments made at oral argument that were, interestingly enough, not included in the written opinion of the court. The opinion of the court, if you ever bother to read it, says they are specifically not going to weigh in the evidence other than to say that given Goodell's broad powers he was in his right to level a 4 game suspension.

Word

 

[cerealboi]

You are talking in circles just to see your text aren't you.

I already said the actual ruling was entirely based on whether or not the NFL simply followed their own rules. I said the two aren't mutually exclusive and that their opinions were noted and directly gave you those quotes.

And the only dissenting opinion was entirely because he thought the NFL was basically too harsh and didn't even consider other penalties (Which I've also already said I do not necessarily disagree with).

Pull your collective heads out of your asses Pats fans and just deal with it. Brady is a known cheater with a tarnished legacy and once again I'll point out that you still enjoyed those SB wins whether or not they were earned/deserved so why not just own up to it and move on?

Judges in this case did indeed publicly make statements about Brady's involvement. This is a pure fact. It's there in black and white. Deal with it.

If the judge's said anything that had any legal bearing or weight - it would have gone into the opinion. Their comments at oral argument are used to elicit responses from the counsel arguing. By your reasoning Clarence Thomas has no opinion on anything since he hasn't asked a question at oral argument before the Supreme Court in over 10 years.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Pats lost any shread of credibility they had left when they actually tried to claim the equipment manager in charge of game day balls got the nickname "The deflator" because he lost weight during the season.

That's when you knew the Pats were guilty as fuck.

And Pats fans actually bought that excuse. That was just unreal.

Glad justice is finally served.

 

[WizardHawk]

Ignore their comments if you choose. We expect it. Pats fans are simply the most blinded fans in all of sports. Love the passion, but laugh at the lack of reasoning skills.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Ignore their comments if you choose. We expect it. Pats fans are simply the most blinded fans in all of sports. Love the passion, but laugh at the lack of reasoning skills.

Pats fans have been arguing for their teams innocence on so many different topics now that half of them have become pseudo-lawyers by default.

 

[Rock Strongo]

"Comments" arent a courts written ruling.

 

[Delphic1]

The dissenting opinion is what helps brady. So far, the judges have been split in their takes on this mess.

I think because its so high profile and does involve a labor dispute, it goes to the next round.

High profile for whom? The Supreme Court? It's the Supreme court of the United States, not New England. They don't give a fuck about Tom Brady or the Pats or the NFL.

 

[Delphic1]

Pats lost any shread of credibility they had left when they actually tried to claim the equipment manager in charge of game day balls got the nickname "The deflator" because he lost weight during the season.

That's when you knew the Pats were guilty as fuck.

And Pats fans actually bought that excuse. That was just unreal.

Glad justice is finally served.

Exactly!

People who doubt that nothing happened should just focus on the fact that the Deflator was someone who was trying to lose weight. Just think of that for a second.

By the way, I still think that the punishment was way over board.