Brad Stuart gets 3-year deal

[MacJ88]

Sharks to announce signing of D Stuart to three-year deal


Expected to be announced in the coming days. We know how long, now we need to know for how much. Any predictions on how much the contract is worth? I say 3 years at 3.5 million per year, making the contract worth a total of 10.5 mill.

 

[filosofy29]

God I hope it's not $3.5M per year, but you're probably right. After seeing what Jackman signed for, I'd be happy if it's a 3 year $8.25M. I'd really like it to be a replacement for Murray though at $2.5M/year.

I'm getting a little nervous now.....we should have leverage.....

 

[MacJ88]

Yeah, I don't want it to be for 3.5 mill either. I just think it will be around there, Doug showed some desperation by acquiring Stuarts rights and now he has him already signed one week later. I just feel like he threw money at him, if Niclas Wallin can score 2.5 mill from Dougie, I'm thinking Stuart can squeeze out an extra million no problem

 

[abaskin18]

I'll take 3 years for 3 mil, Alex.

Anal-bum-covers

 

[Cmon_WTF]

If Wilson see's him as a top four guy in the line-up as Pollak speculated then I'd expect a $3.0-$3.5m cap hit for him. Given that both Anahiem and LA tried to aquire his rights as well $3.5m may turn out to be a bargan compared to what he would of cost had he reached July 1st.

 

[MacJ88]

Wilson absolutely views Stuart as a top 4 guy, another reason why I think 3.5 million per year is the number. I'd be more comfortable with 3 years 3 million per but honestly I'm just happy we landed the guy. I have a hard time seeing Stuart getting around 4 million if he were to test free agency but I guess it was a possibility.

 

[Cbrower91]

So does Murray get waived,dealt or bought out?

 

[SJVP408]

I'll go $3.25 with full NMC.

I'd rather it be a two year deal even if it was $3.75 per, oh well.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Wilson absolutely views Stuart as a top 4 guy, another reason why I think 3.5 million per year is the number. I'd be more comfortable with 3 years 3 million per but honestly I'm just happy we landed the guy. I have a hard time seeing Stuart getting around 4 million if he were to test free agency but I guess it was a possibility.

Rumor was Holland offered him a sizable raise to try and change his mind and say in Detroit. Somewhere in the $500k - $750k range. I'm sure Lidstrom's retirement had some influence on those numbers. I imagine most GM's round the league view him as a top 4 guy still, so had he hit July 1st with no limitations on where he'd play I could easily see him getting a 3 to 4 year deal at $4.0m

 

[Slimpikins]

Stuart's contract is 3 years @ 3.6/year per Dreger.

 

[abaskin18]

Looks like it's 3 years, 10.8 (3.6 per, if my math is right).

I'm sure that 600k will prevent DW from signing all the free agents you were otherwise guaranteed, folks.

EDIT: Damn, not fast enough to beat Slim.

 

[sjrules99]

Looks like it's 3 years, 10.8 (3.6 per, if my math is right).

I'm sure that 600k will prevent DW from signing all the free agents you were otherwise guaranteed, folks.

EDIT: Damn, not fast enough to beat Slim.

3.6M... Oh well, here comes another 3 years of crap. This deal absolutely wreaks of wallin/handzus. Significant money to a getting over the hill guy with so-so skills. The sharks are just getting older and older. no one bothers to see that the last 4 cup winners (Pit, chi, bos, and LA) were all relatively young teams with their key players largely well under 30.

Pit: Crosby, malkin, staal, letang, Kennedy, talbot, fleury were all under 25. the only guys over 30 that mattered much were Gonchar and Guerin.

In Chicago, it was kane, toews, keith, seabrook, sharp, byfuglien, etc were all 29 or less. Hell, the only key guys on that roster over 30 were campbell (31) and Hossa (31). They had no one of any significance over 31.(Sopel is not that key)

In Boston, Krejci, Lucic, marchand, Bergeron, Peverley, Horton, Seguin, Boychuk were all 27 or less. The only skaters over 30 were ryder (31), Kaberle (33), chara (34), and Recchi (43).

In LA: Justin williams was the oldest forward at 30 and the only others over 27 were Penner (28) and Stoll (29). On D, only mitchell and scuderi were over 30.

In SJ: over the 30+ club (by PO time next year) is long and just got longer. Every forward currently signed other than pavs and cooch will be 30+ by next April. Now, Murray, Boyle, and Stuart can add to the 30+ club. The sharks are quickly becoming a very old team, and the injuries will get more and more frequent and a 34 year old body breaks down after 82+ games much more than a 26 year old one.

This signing, for that money, is going to continue the aging and will end up being yet another albatross around the sharks' neck for years.

 

[sjrules99]

3.6M... Oh well, here comes another 3 years of crap. This deal absolutely wreaks of wallin/handzus. Significant money to a getting over the hill guy with so-so skills. The sharks are just getting older and older. no one bothers to see that the last 4 cup winners (Pit, chi, bos, and LA) were all relatively young teams with their key players largely well under 30.

Pit: Crosby, malkin, staal, letang, Kennedy, talbot, fleury were all under 25. the only guys over 30 that mattered much were Gonchar and Guerin.

In Chicago, it was kane, toews, keith, seabrook, sharp, byfuglien, etc were all 29 or less. Hell, the only key guys on that roster over 30 were campbell (31) and Hossa (31). They had no one of any significance over 31.(Sopel is not that key)

In Boston, Krejci, Lucic, marchand, Bergeron, Peverley, Horton, Seguin, Boychuk were all 27 or less. The only skaters over 30 were ryder (31), Kaberle (33), chara (34), and Recchi (43).

In LA: Justin williams was the oldest forward at 30 and the only others over 27 were Penner (28) and Stoll (29). On D, only mitchell and scuderi were over 30.

In SJ: over the 30+ club (by PO time next year) is long and just got longer. Every forward currently signed other than pavs and cooch will be 30+ by next April. Now, Murray, Boyle, and Stuart can add to the 30+ club. The sharks are quickly becoming a very old team, and the injuries will get more and more frequent and a 34 year old body breaks down after 82+ games much more than a 26 year old one.

This signing, for that money, is going to continue the aging and will end up being yet another albatross around the sharks' neck for years.

Actually I could keep going back further and further to see the same trend.

When the wings won in '08, they were young too. Zetts (27), Datyuk (29), Franzen (28), Kronwall (27), Hudler (24), Fillpula (24), Stuart (28), Helm (21), Cleary (29). The only guys over 30 were Lidstrom, rafalski, Holmstrom, and Samuelsson, and the top 5 scorers were all under 30.

When Anaheim won in 07: Perry, Getzlaf, Pahlsson, Moen, Beauchemin, Penner, Kunitz, Mcdonald, etc were all under 30. The only key guys over 30 were pronger, niedermeyer(s), and selanne and those are 3 special generational players. The vast majority of the key guys were under 30.

Clearly, having some veterans is good, but the key leaders need to be young. Not one cup winning team for a decade has had their leading playoff scorer be over 29. The last time was Stevie Y for the 2001-2 Detroit Red Wings. Youth wins and the sharks are just too damn old.

With the wings' top dogs now aging, we have seen their decline. The same has begun with the sharks and will get worse unless a directional change occurs.

 

[filosofy29]

If Wilson see's him as a top four guy in the line-up as Pollak speculated then I'd expect a $3.0-$3.5m cap hit for him. Given that both Anahiem and LA tried to aquire his rights as well $3.5m may turn out to be a bargan compared to what he would of cost had he reached July 1st.

Stuart still is a Top-4 defenseman in this league, but I was hoping to get a hometown discount. Oh well. Are you sure Anaheim and LA tried or is it just something you heard from your sources? It seems pretty hard to believe that ANA and LA couldn't beat a 7th Round pick. $3.6M isn't a major over-payment, but it isn't really a hometown discount either. You're right though, it probably will be considered a "bargain" by this years FA standards. I just thought DWil would have had more leverage for this particular contract.

So does Murray get waived,dealt or bought out?

Probably traded or waived. I don't think that there is a high probability that he gets bought out, he's still useful, buyouts count against the cap (and ownership and DWil wouldn't like that) and he only has this last year on his contract.....but you never know.

Looks like it's 3 years, 10.8 (3.6 per, if my math is right).

I'm sure that 600k will prevent DW from signing all the free agents you were otherwise guaranteed, folks.

Yup, I still am holding out hope that it's less, but I highly doubt it.

Every $100K counts, $600K could be useful in aiding DWil in his efforts to sign one 3rd line forward. I have nothing against Stuart and I think he'll do pretty well here, but the Sharks don't really need a 4th defenseman as bad as they need Forward depth. I have no problem with DWil trading the 7th Round Pick to see what Stuart was planning on doing, but if he really was going to try and gain interest from LA (I don't see why they'd want him with 6 pretty good defensemen signed for next year and Willie Mitchell pretty much does the same job) and Anaheim (distinct possibility), then I would have preferred him to just offer Stuey a 3 year $2.75M contract and let Stuey walk if that isn't good enough. I'd take Greg Zanon for a 2 year, $4M contract over this signing.

Oh well, I'll hope DWil has some tricks up his sleeve this year at the draft and via FA.

 

[abaskin18]

Every $100K counts, $600K could be useful in aiding DWil in his efforts to sign one 3rd line forward.

Agreed, but that sensible outlook isn't what I'm expecting from the pantshitting crowd. I expect to read about how we'll be regretting this one for years and years from the same people who would have been fine with it at 3mil/per. Or how this overpayment will prevent DW from clicking "buy it now" on other FAs. Of course, someone I enjoy reading will have to quote them for me to see it.

From the more sensible crowd, I'd expect a realization along the lines of: Someone better than Murray costs more than Murray, go figure.

Wait, am I pantshitting about pantshitters here? :wacko: I've got to think about what I'm doing with my life...

 

[filosofy29]

Agreed, but that sensible outlook isn't what I'm expecting from the pantshitting crowd. I expect to read about how we'll be regretting this one for years and years from the same people who would have been fine with it at 3mil/per. Or how this overpayment will prevent DW from clicking "buy it now" on other FAs. Of course, someone I enjoy reading will have to quote them for me to see it.

From the more sensible crowd, I'd expect a realization along the lines of: Someone better than Murray costs more than Murray, go figure.

Wait, am I pantshitting about pantshitters here? :wacko: I've got to think about what I'm doing with my life...

Gotcha. Yeah, pantshitters are gonna pantshit. It's just what they do. I also agree with you that the "buy it now" option doesn't exist unless you grossly overypay.....and then the pantshitters will be furious.....it's a vicious cycle.....now wash, rinse, repeat!!!

Well sure, in a true open market. That said, if Stuey tips his hand and wants to play in SJ or ANA (I really don't see LA having any interest), I'd offer him what I could afford and if that isn't good enough (and I wouldn't blame Stuey if $2.75M was too low), than good luck to him. I mean really, Anaheim would be a lot better than Detroit as far as proximity and timezones, but a flight is a flight. He'd see his kids/wife a little more, but not much.

lol, I heart ignore.

 

[rares]

Damnit... only $3.6M (not 4+). Looks like I owe someone lunch (barely)! :p

EDIT: About what I expected (or $400k less, to be exact). No big deal, nothing to really see here.

 

[sjrules99]

Gotcha. Yeah, pantshitters are gonna pantshit. It's just what they do. I also agree with you that the "buy it now" option doesn't exist unless you grossly overypay.....and then the pantshitters will be furious.....it's a vicious cycle.....now wash, rinse, repeat!!!

Well sure, in a true open market. That said, if Stuey tips his hand and wants to play in SJ or ANA (I really don't see LA having any interest), I'd offer him what I could afford and if that isn't good enough (and I wouldn't blame Stuey if $2.75M was too low), than good luck to him. I mean really, Anaheim would be a lot better than Detroit as far as proximity and timezones, but a flight is a flight. He'd see his kids/wife a little more, but not much.

lol, I heart ignore.

I'm a proud pantshitter

I shit last summer when dougie threw 5M at a 35 year old Zues who sucked before they got him and, predictably, sucks more and more as he gets toward social security.

The sharks sucked last year because they had absolutely no forward depth. Havlat went out and the sharks had 7 borderline AHL 4th liners in the lineup on any given night. The sharks have to find a 3rd line with good scoring possibility. This signing puts more money allocated toward the D and mediocre D at that. If the sharks are going to spend, spend on quality. As of this moment, dougie has 8.6M tied up in stuart, murray, and zues. That's a whole lot of wasted cap space.

I dunno how dougie is going to magically find 2 or 3 solid forwards with basically no cap space and no farm. Should be an exciting draft...

 

[SJVP408]

3 years at 3.6 is 1 more year than I would have preferred. Not sure I'll like a 35 year old Stuart at $3.6. Ah well, in three years this team will be kinda crappy anyway.

 

[Cmon_WTF]

Stuart still is a Top-4 defenseman in this league, but I was hoping to get a hometown discount. Oh well. Are you sure Anaheim and LA tried or is it just something you heard from your sources? It seems pretty hard to believe that ANA and LA couldn't beat a 7th Round pick. $3.6M isn't a major over-payment, but it isn't really a hometown discount either. You're right though, it probably will be considered a "bargain" by this years FA standards. I just thought DWil would have had more leverage for this particular contract.

Stuart himself was the source. He said in an interview with Detroit radio media that Holland let him know what teams were interested and he gave Stuart the choice. He let slip that any of the three California teams were options.