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Bills Release Fred Jackson - Cowboys need to jump on him!

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You ever heard of a guy named Ahman Green?


Are you saying that Seattle is bad at developing drafted running backs and they will do better once they leave?

Green was not cut
 

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I think he's saying that talented but fumble prone RB's CAN get stuck behind star starters and then do better elsewhere...
 

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Are you saying that Seattle is bad at developing drafted running backs and they will do better once they leave?

Green was not cut

No. That's what you're saying. In a passive aggressive way because you're a jerkoff.
 

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Just a prediction I could be wrong of course.... If Seattle cuts Michael Dallas will take a look at him.. He might fit well behind your O-line ...
The knock on him from many Seattlelites is he can't learn the playbook combined with the fumbles. I have to agree with Lambeau on this one. You have Turbin (possible high ankle sprain) why pick up a 34 yo if Michael has even 1/2 the ability he was touted to have?
Don't get me wrong Jackson is a good fit for Seattle. They could use a 3rd down professional, specialist like him. So could the Pats for that matter. Not sure with your train of thought, that the Hawks should get rid of Michael?
Maybe they IR Turbin injury could be worse than being reported?
 

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The knock on him from many Seattlelites is he can't learn the playbook combined with the fumbles. I have to agree with Lambeau on this one. You have Turbin (possible high ankle sprain) why pick up a 34 yo if Michael has even 1/2 the ability he was touted to have?
Don't get me wrong Jackson is a good fit for Seattle. They could use a 3rd down professional, specialist like him. So could the Pats for that matter. Not sure with your train of thought, that the Hawks should get rid of Michael?
Maybe they IR Turbin injury could be worse than being reported?

There was talk he could get traded or cut .. I think the fumble thing was the main reason ... His ability was never in doubt... This pre-season was a big one for him... Now that Turbin is injured and possibly going on the IR, thats the main reason they went after Jackson ... Although he's not signed yet... I guess he's just here for the physical and the decision will be made soon...
 

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Seattle got him, will be interesting to see how he does with them.
 

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Seattle got him, will be interesting to see how he does with them.
I am man enough to admit I was hoping the deal with Seattle would fall through and he'd go elsewhere. Great signing IMO...
 

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I have not seen anything indicating the Seahawks have signed FJ.
 

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I have not seen anything indicating the Seahawks have signed FJ.

Ok, so I'm not alone. I know he visited and there is mutual interest, but haven't heard a signing.
 

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There was talk he could get traded or cut .. I think the fumble thing was the main reason ... His ability was never in doubt... This pre-season was a big one for him... Now that Turbin is injured and possibly going on the IR, thats the main reason they went after Jackson ... Although he's not signed yet... I guess he's just here for the physical and the decision will be made soon...
How long do you give a 2nd round pick to display his ability? He's not a lineman that you can expect to take a couple years to develop. Even his RB coach says he needs to be more consistent and dependable. On a run first team you would think he'd get a lot more carries, saving wear and tear on ML.
 

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How long do you give a 2nd round pick to display his ability? He's not a lineman that you can expect to take a couple years to develop. Even his RB coach says he needs to be more consistent and dependable. On a run first team you would think he'd get a lot more carries, saving wear and tear on ML.

You don't get it. How long do you give a guy in the NFL to make any improvement? Not long, honestly. It's not like Michael has taken steps forward and needs more time to get to starting level. He's still making the same dumb mistakes time and again.

You have to evaluate quickly in this league because roster spots are valuable. If a guy is not improving, raw talent or not, you can't wait around forever for him to get the simple things like don't fumble, learn the playbook, and try to block a pass rusher once in a while.
 

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How long do you give a 2nd round pick to display his ability? He's not a lineman that you can expect to take a couple years to develop. Even his RB coach says he needs to be more consistent and dependable. On a run first team you would think he'd get a lot more carries, saving wear and tear on ML.

Lynch isn't that kind of back. He HAS to play a lot, where he wears teams down and runs all over them in the second half. Plus Marshawn is well... Marshawn. He may get sidetracked by a business opportunity or wreck his already iffy back bending over for a dropped skittle.
 

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You don't get it. How long do you give a guy in the NFL to make any improvement? Not long, honestly. It's not like Michael has taken steps forward and needs more time to get to starting level. He's still making the same dumb mistakes time and again.

You have to evaluate quickly in this league because roster spots are valuable. If a guy is not improving, raw talent or not, you can't wait around forever for him to get the simple things like don't fumble, learn the playbook, and try to block a pass rusher once in a while.
We're saying the same thing. He had all kinds of potential coming out of TX. Just like you said he can't get past the basics. He would've gotten more carries if he even displayed a little of the talent he had coming out of school. My comments were directed at the posters with the glass half full attitude. The only upside is he's on a rookie contract so they aren't paying "too" much for him.
 

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You don't get it. How long do you give a guy in the NFL to make any improvement? Not long, honestly. It's not like Michael has taken steps forward and needs more time to get to starting level. He's still making the same dumb mistakes time and again.

You have to evaluate quickly in this league because roster spots are valuable. If a guy is not improving, raw talent or not, you can't wait around forever for him to get the simple things like don't fumble, learn the playbook, and try to block a pass rusher once in a while.

To me it's 100% because he's a 'home-run' back. Marshawn when he gets to the second level has to stiff arm guys or run over guys (usually DB's) to score. Micheal has that extra gear, where if he finds a crease and makes one guy miss, he's simply GONE. All the way to the house, nobody catching him.

He's ironically had a few of those runs where he ALMOST makes it, and gets tripped up, or in once instance he seemed to trip over a yard-line (his own feet?)

He's that tantalizing guy who has so much upside, but will also put the ball on the ground or let his QB be leveled not picking up the blitz.

If he ever figured out that simple stuff, he WOULD hit some home-runs with a normal volume of carries.
 

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Lynch isn't that kind of back. He HAS to play a lot, where he wears teams down and runs all over them in the second half. Plus Marshawn is well... Marshawn. He may get sidetracked by a business opportunity or wreck his already iffy back bending over for a dropped skittle.
Too many carries for ML. Yes he usually needs enough to get warmed up. But getting more yards late is also partly due to the D getting worn down. Contribute that to Seattle's D getting teams 3 and out. ML takes less of a beating on his body if you let your 2nd and 3rd string backs soften up the D. Making ML that much more of a beast later on in games.
 

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To me it's 100% because he's a 'home-run' back. Marshawn when he gets to the second level has to stiff arm guys or run over guys (usually DB's) to score. Micheal has that extra gear, where if he finds a crease and makes one guy miss, he's simply GONE. All the way to the house, nobody catching him.

He's ironically had a few of those runs where he ALMOST makes it, and gets tripped up, or in once instance he seemed to trip over a yard-line (his own feet?)

He's that tantalizing guy who has so much upside, but will also put the ball on the ground or let his QB be leveled not picking up the blitz.

If he ever figured out that simple stuff, he WOULD hit some home-runs with a normal volume of carries.
There are lots of athletes that are faster than him. But they can't play football either. It takes talent combined with a good football IQ to make it. Look at all the 1st round busts. Michael a 2nd rounder is heading that way. Maybe a professional 3rd string back or ST guy?
 

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How long do you give a 2nd round pick to display his ability? He's not a lineman that you can expect to take a couple years to develop. Even his RB coach says he needs to be more consistent and dependable. On a run first team you would think he'd get a lot more carries, saving wear and tear on ML.

You know who he reminds me of? Steven Ridley. Except, Ridley wasn't behind a star. But if he was, you have to wonder if BB would have kept him around. He just too just couldn't get the finer points, but his talent and lack of better options kept him in NE for a while.
 

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You know who he reminds me of? Steven Ridley. Except, Ridley wasn't behind a star. But if he was, you have to wonder if BB would have kept him around. He just too just couldn't get the finer points, but his talent and lack of better options kept him in NE for a while.
Ridley was a 3rd round pick. Not touted near as much as Michael yet he became the starting RB for the Pats. Had issuses with fumbling an BB would sit him. One of tge reasons hexs gone now. Michael has break away speed, Ridley not so much.
 

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Ridley was a 3rd round pick. Not touted near as much as Michael yet he became the starting RB for the Pats. Had issuses with fumbling an BB would sit him. One of tge reasons hexs gone now. Michael has break away speed, Ridley not so much.

Ridley was the 73rd pick. Michael was the 62nd. Not a huge gap in their draft expectations :rolleyes2:

And I realize that they don't have similar skill sets, but they both had high expectations, despite minimal production in college and an inability to hold on to the ball. They're stories are parallel, except one is behind a superstar.
 
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