Big 10, Pac-12 lacking when it comes to Power-5 opponents

[ralphiewvu]

This thread will be the OP's Gettysburg.


@ralphiewvu

Damn this thread has a lot, almost everything.

Will one of you idiots get @fredsdeadfriend in here so we can learn how Minnesota invented the OOC schedule. Then we’d be set!

 

[TheReal_NU]

Minnesota invented the OOC schedule.

And herpes. They invented that too.

 

[ralphiewvu]

And herpes. They invented that too.

Whatever happens in Minny don’t always stay in Minny.

 

[Deep Creek]

UTEP 1-11 (yes scheduled twice in the Big 12, hey it is a Texas school)

We need the money and they need the W.

 

[HuskerinBig10]

WVU OOC slate is better than Minnesota, Northwestern or Nebraska’s. There isn’t much difference between a 7-6 team that won their bowl game and a 5-7 team. Using records of teams last season is not a full proof way to judge OOC slates.

You pretty much eliminated any logical way to do it. You say using records from last year is meaningless, then you use last year's records to defend your point of view.

Let's base it on make believe then.

in your make believe world Florida State is going to dominate the ACC. Maryland is going to win not only the B1G east, but the B1G. And Eastern Kentucky has signed Jim Thorpe and is changing their name to the Carlisle Indians.

In my make believe world, WVU is playing 2 cupcakes and one mediocre team.

Week 1 — Sept. 5 vs. Florida State (Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta)
West Virginia has not shied away from challenging non-conference opponents recently, and the Mountaineers are scheduled to open the 2020 campaign against Florida State and its new head coach Mike Norvell in the season opener in Atlanta. The Seminoles have underachieved in recent seasons but return a talented and veteran defense that ranked in the top 20 nationally in total tackles (79.88 percent of 2019 production, No. 18 in FBS), tackles for a loss (89.86 percent, No. 5), and sacks (93.75 percent, No. 9). The unit, which received a huge boost when defensive lineman Marvin Wilson opted to return to school instead of entering the NFL Draft, should also be healthier than it was most of last season when multiple starters (including Wilson) were sidelined for chunks of the season by injury.



The offense returns seven starters, including star receiver Tamorrion Terry, who like Wilson, could have tested the professional waters. However, questions remain for a unit that ranked No. 61 in the country in yards per play (5.84) last season. Khalan Laborn and Texas A&M transfer Jashaun Corbin will attempt to fill the shoes of Cam Akers at running back. Quarterback James Blackman will be challenged by incoming freshman Chubba Purdy and speedy 2019 backup Jordan Travis, and the offensive line is still a work in progress.



Week 2 — Sept. 12 vs. Eastern Kentucky (Morgantown, W.Va.)
Thankfully for West Virginia fans, Eastern Kentucky should provide a less stressful test in the home opener. The Mountaineers, who survived a scare against FCS powerhouse James Madison before winning 20-13 to open last season, host first-time head coach Walt Wells and the Colonels in Week 2. EKU posted a 7-5 record in 2019, which includes a 5-3 mark in the Ohio Valley Conference but lost 42-0 to Louisville in its only matchup with an FBS opponent.



Week 3 — Sept. 19 vs. Maryland (Morgantown, W.Va.)
Maryland began the 2019 season strong under first-year head coach Mike Locksley and entered the AP Top 25 after a 2-0 start in which it outscored FCS opponent Howard and Syracuse by a combined score of 142-20. However, the Terrapins lost each of their last seven games to finish 3-9 overall and 1-8 in Big Ten play. West Virginia is set to meet to the Terps for the 53rd time overall, but the first time since 2015. The Mountaineers have won nine of the last 10 meetings and appear likely to be slight favorites at home this year as well.



Locksley is now 6-40 in four-plus seasons as a head coach, and the 2020 Terps enter the season with modest expectations following last year's disappointing finish as well as the loss of running backs Anthony McFarland and Javon Leake early to the NFL and a remarkable 16 players to the transfer portal. However, Maryland has consistently posted recruiting rankings in the top half of the conference, and Locksley is well respected as an offensive coach after his stint as Alabama's coordinator. Maryland could be on the rise and will be a tough matchup for the Mountaineers.

West Virginia plays

ACC Florida State 6-7
FCS Eastern Kentucky
B1G Maryland 3-9

Minnesota
G5 Florida Atlantic 11-3
FCS Tennessee tech
Indy BYU 7-6

Northwestern
G5 Tulane 7-6
G5 Central Michigan 8-6
FCS Morgan State

Nebraska

G5 Central Michigan 8-6
FCS S Dakota State
G5 Cincinnati 11-3

Using ESPN FPI for 2020

2020 College Football Power Index | ESPN

Florida State 10.8
Cincinnati 5.0
Florida Atlantic -0.2
BYU -1.0
maryland -1.7
Central Michigan -2.1
Central Michigan -2.1
Tulane -3.3


BTW, Nebraska finished 5-7 last year and they S U C K E D. A 5-7 team from last year is not good.

WVU could go 3-0 but might go 2-1.
Minnesota will probably go 2-1 but they might go 3-0.
Northwestern will probably go 1-2, but could go 2-1.
Nebraska will probably go 1-2, but could go 0-3.
​

 

[Olyduck]

They do beat Oregon.
More frequently than Michigan beats OSU.

its actually at about the same rate. UW 4 in 20 years UM 3 in 20 years

 

[ralphiewvu]

You pretty much eliminated any logical way to do it. You say using records from last year is meaningless, then you use last year's records to defend your point of view.

Let's base it on make believe then.

in your make believe world Florida State is going to dominate the ACC. Maryland is going to win not only the B1G east, but the B1G. And Eastern Kentucky has signed Jim Thorpe and is changing their name to the Carlisle Indians.

In my make believe world, WVU is playing 2 cupcakes and one mediocre team.

Week 1 — Sept. 5 vs. Florida State (Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta)
West Virginia has not shied away from challenging non-conference opponents recently, and the Mountaineers are scheduled to open the 2020 campaign against Florida State and its new head coach Mike Norvell in the season opener in Atlanta. The Seminoles have underachieved in recent seasons but return a talented and veteran defense that ranked in the top 20 nationally in total tackles (79.88 percent of 2019 production, No. 18 in FBS), tackles for a loss (89.86 percent, No. 5), and sacks (93.75 percent, No. 9). The unit, which received a huge boost when defensive lineman Marvin Wilson opted to return to school instead of entering the NFL Draft, should also be healthier than it was most of last season when multiple starters (including Wilson) were sidelined for chunks of the season by injury.



The offense returns seven starters, including star receiver Tamorrion Terry, who like Wilson, could have tested the professional waters. However, questions remain for a unit that ranked No. 61 in the country in yards per play (5.84) last season. Khalan Laborn and Texas A&M transfer Jashaun Corbin will attempt to fill the shoes of Cam Akers at running back. Quarterback James Blackman will be challenged by incoming freshman Chubba Purdy and speedy 2019 backup Jordan Travis, and the offensive line is still a work in progress.



Week 2 — Sept. 12 vs. Eastern Kentucky (Morgantown, W.Va.)
Thankfully for West Virginia fans, Eastern Kentucky should provide a less stressful test in the home opener. The Mountaineers, who survived a scare against FCS powerhouse James Madison before winning 20-13 to open last season, host first-time head coach Walt Wells and the Colonels in Week 2. EKU posted a 7-5 record in 2019, which includes a 5-3 mark in the Ohio Valley Conference but lost 42-0 to Louisville in its only matchup with an FBS opponent.



Week 3 — Sept. 19 vs. Maryland (Morgantown, W.Va.)
Maryland began the 2019 season strong under first-year head coach Mike Locksley and entered the AP Top 25 after a 2-0 start in which it outscored FCS opponent Howard and Syracuse by a combined score of 142-20. However, the Terrapins lost each of their last seven games to finish 3-9 overall and 1-8 in Big Ten play. West Virginia is set to meet to the Terps for the 53rd time overall, but the first time since 2015. The Mountaineers have won nine of the last 10 meetings and appear likely to be slight favorites at home this year as well.



Locksley is now 6-40 in four-plus seasons as a head coach, and the 2020 Terps enter the season with modest expectations following last year's disappointing finish as well as the loss of running backs Anthony McFarland and Javon Leake early to the NFL and a remarkable 16 players to the transfer portal. However, Maryland has consistently posted recruiting rankings in the top half of the conference, and Locksley is well respected as an offensive coach after his stint as Alabama's coordinator. Maryland could be on the rise and will be a tough matchup for the Mountaineers.

West Virginia plays

ACC Florida State 6-7
FCS Eastern Kentucky
B1G Maryland 3-9

Minnesota
G5 Florida Atlantic 11-3
FCS Tennessee tech
Indy BYU 7-6

Northwestern
G5 Tulane 7-6
G5 Central Michigan 8-6
FCS Morgan State

Nebraska

G5 Central Michigan 8-6
FCS S Dakota State
G5 Cincinnati 11-3

Using ESPN FPI for 2020

2020 College Football Power Index | ESPN

Florida State 10.8
Cincinnati 5.0
Florida Atlantic -0.2
BYU -1.0
maryland -1.7
Central Michigan -2.1
Central Michigan -2.1
Tulane -3.3


BTW, Nebraska finished 5-7 last year and they S U C K E D. A 5-7 team from last year is not good.

WVU could go 3-0 but might go 2-1.
Minnesota will probably go 2-1 but they might go 3-0.
Northwestern will probably go 1-2, but could go 2-1.
Nebraska will probably go 1-2, but could go 0-3.
​

How exactly am I using last Years records to defend my point of view? Show me where.

Where did I say FSU was going to win the ACC? Where did I say Maryland would win the B1Geast?

You jumping to conclusions makes you look like a jackass just an FYI.

Playing two P5 teams while not always impressive is still more of a challenge in most cases then playing 2 G5’s and and FCS.

You using records from last year while ignoring said teams SoS is humorous.

 

[ralphiewvu]

You pretty much eliminated any logical way to do it. You say using records from last year is meaningless, then you use last year's records to defend your point of view.

Let's base it on make believe then.

in your make believe world Florida State is going to dominate the ACC. Maryland is going to win not only the B1G east, but the B1G. And Eastern Kentucky has signed Jim Thorpe and is changing their name to the Carlisle Indians.

In my make believe world, WVU is playing 2 cupcakes and one mediocre team.

Week 1 — Sept. 5 vs. Florida State (Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta)
West Virginia has not shied away from challenging non-conference opponents recently, and the Mountaineers are scheduled to open the 2020 campaign against Florida State and its new head coach Mike Norvell in the season opener in Atlanta. The Seminoles have underachieved in recent seasons but return a talented and veteran defense that ranked in the top 20 nationally in total tackles (79.88 percent of 2019 production, No. 18 in FBS), tackles for a loss (89.86 percent, No. 5), and sacks (93.75 percent, No. 9). The unit, which received a huge boost when defensive lineman Marvin Wilson opted to return to school instead of entering the NFL Draft, should also be healthier than it was most of last season when multiple starters (including Wilson) were sidelined for chunks of the season by injury.



The offense returns seven starters, including star receiver Tamorrion Terry, who like Wilson, could have tested the professional waters. However, questions remain for a unit that ranked No. 61 in the country in yards per play (5.84) last season. Khalan Laborn and Texas A&M transfer Jashaun Corbin will attempt to fill the shoes of Cam Akers at running back. Quarterback James Blackman will be challenged by incoming freshman Chubba Purdy and speedy 2019 backup Jordan Travis, and the offensive line is still a work in progress.



Week 2 — Sept. 12 vs. Eastern Kentucky (Morgantown, W.Va.)
Thankfully for West Virginia fans, Eastern Kentucky should provide a less stressful test in the home opener. The Mountaineers, who survived a scare against FCS powerhouse James Madison before winning 20-13 to open last season, host first-time head coach Walt Wells and the Colonels in Week 2. EKU posted a 7-5 record in 2019, which includes a 5-3 mark in the Ohio Valley Conference but lost 42-0 to Louisville in its only matchup with an FBS opponent.



Week 3 — Sept. 19 vs. Maryland (Morgantown, W.Va.)
Maryland began the 2019 season strong under first-year head coach Mike Locksley and entered the AP Top 25 after a 2-0 start in which it outscored FCS opponent Howard and Syracuse by a combined score of 142-20. However, the Terrapins lost each of their last seven games to finish 3-9 overall and 1-8 in Big Ten play. West Virginia is set to meet to the Terps for the 53rd time overall, but the first time since 2015. The Mountaineers have won nine of the last 10 meetings and appear likely to be slight favorites at home this year as well.



Locksley is now 6-40 in four-plus seasons as a head coach, and the 2020 Terps enter the season with modest expectations following last year's disappointing finish as well as the loss of running backs Anthony McFarland and Javon Leake early to the NFL and a remarkable 16 players to the transfer portal. However, Maryland has consistently posted recruiting rankings in the top half of the conference, and Locksley is well respected as an offensive coach after his stint as Alabama's coordinator. Maryland could be on the rise and will be a tough matchup for the Mountaineers.

West Virginia plays

ACC Florida State 6-7
FCS Eastern Kentucky
B1G Maryland 3-9

Minnesota
G5 Florida Atlantic 11-3
FCS Tennessee tech
Indy BYU 7-6

Northwestern
G5 Tulane 7-6
G5 Central Michigan 8-6
FCS Morgan State

Nebraska

G5 Central Michigan 8-6
FCS S Dakota State
G5 Cincinnati 11-3

Using ESPN FPI for 2020

2020 College Football Power Index | ESPN

Florida State 10.8
Cincinnati 5.0
Florida Atlantic -0.2
BYU -1.0
maryland -1.7
Central Michigan -2.1
Central Michigan -2.1
Tulane -3.3


BTW, Nebraska finished 5-7 last year and they S U C K E D. A 5-7 team from last year is not good.

WVU could go 3-0 but might go 2-1.
Minnesota will probably go 2-1 but they might go 3-0.
Northwestern will probably go 1-2, but could go 2-1.
Nebraska will probably go 1-2, but could go 0-3.
​

Also WVU finished 5-7 too. They were an improving team with wins outright in their last two road games as double digit dogs. Not all 5-7 teams absolutely sucked ass.

 

[Thiefery]

We need the money and they need the W.

UTEP is part of the UT System.. Texas also plays at LSU and at home vs South Florida.

 

[osubuckeye89]

How exactly am I using last Years records to defend my point of view? Show me where.

Where did I say FSU was going to win the ACC? Where did I say Maryland would win the B1Geast?

You jumping to conclusions makes you look like a jackass just an FYI.

Playing two P5 teams while not always impressive is still more of a challenge in most cases then playing 2 G5’s and and FCS.

You using records from last year while ignoring said teams SoS is humorous.

Depends on the P5 teams

Sometimes its funny when people will boast "WE PLAYED MORE P5 TEAMS"

Is it really better to play say a 2-10 Rutgers or 2-10 Arkansas team than like a 7 or 8 win G5 team? Im sure some idiots might argue so, but no.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Depends on the P5 teams

Sometimes its funny when people will boast "WE PLAYED MORE P5 TEAMS"

Is it really better to play say a 2-10 Rutgers or 2-10 Arkansas team than like a 7 or 8 win G5 team? Im sure some idiots might argue so, but no.

Table: All-Time G5 vs. P5 Win-Loss Records : CFB

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Depends on the P5 teams

Sometimes its funny when people will boast "WE PLAYED MORE P5 TEAMS"

Is it really better to play say a 2-10 Rutgers or 2-10 Arkansas team than like a 7 or 8 win G5 team? Im sure some idiots might argue so, but no.

It is entirely possible that a 2-win team from the B1G or SEC is better than a 7-5 Sun Belt team. Hard to quantify though.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Depends on the P5 teams

Sometimes its funny when people will boast "WE PLAYED MORE P5 TEAMS"

Is it really better to play say a 2-10 Rutgers or 2-10 Arkansas team than like a 7 or 8 win G5 team? Im sure some idiots might argue so, but no.

Ohh absolutely, but that’s hardly ever the case. Most of the time the P5 is much tougher then the G5.

I also would love to look at SoS. Some of these G5’s listed on here it’s reasonable to say they would have had a worse record with someone like Maryland’s schedule.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Ohh absolutely, but that’s hardly ever the case. Most of the time the P5 is much tougher then the G5.

I also would love to look at SoS. Some of these G5’s listed on here it’s reasonable to say they would have had a worse record with someone like Maryland’s schedule.

Oh of course. The P5 that still play 4 OOC games have a upper hand because we know they aren’t using that extra game to play anyone worth a damn. Basically everyone gets a near automatic +1 win instead of half the conference taking a loss with the extra conference game.

 

[osubuckeye89]

It is entirely possible that a 2-win team from the B1G or SEC is better than a 7-5 Sun Belt team. Hard to quantify though.

Well my example 2 win teams from last season.....

Rutger lost to 6 win East Michigan and Arkansas lost to 5 win San Jose State

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Well my example 2 win teams from last season.....

Rutger lost to 6 win East Michigan and Arkansas lost to 5 win San Jose State

G5 yeams defeating P5 teams happens but its definitely not the norm nor do you see many home & home series between them.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Well my example 2 win teams from last season.....

Rutger lost to 6 win East Michigan and Arkansas lost to 5 win San Jose State

Right and I would agree that in the specific case you listed the P5 teams were probably worse.

 

[handicappers]

Washington is spiraling downward...and fast. They didn't even have a player drafted in the first three rounds of the recent NFL draft.

 

[Olyduck]

G5 yeams defeating P5 teams happens but its definitely not the norm nor do you see many home & home series between them.

its a regular occurrence actually.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

its a regular occurrence actually.

Table: All-Time G5 vs. P5 Win-Loss Records : CFB