Best Rushing Defense Ever?

[jdwills126]

Best ever?

Can't bestow that one on them but they are damn good.

The important thing the defense has a identity! One part of the game that they just excel at and are recognized as being a beast at. That gives them something to build off of.

It is easier to get a better pass defense when you don't have to worry about fixing two or three other problems at the same time. If teams face Detroit right now they know they have to pass the ball and it gives Detroit less of a scheme to focus on week in and out.

Really I have been waiting a long time to see Detroit's defense being recognized as the best or one of the best at a phase of the game!

 

[gvsulaker82]

I try hard to stay off your case since I think people probably got sick of us arguing, but I see Smitty's point of view here. That last line, about how we'll get "smoked" against a very average Eagles team is the kind of comment that stirs people up. There's no reason to think they're going to smoke us- just looking at the numbers they have one of the worst passing defenses in the league, and we have one of the best passing offenses in the league, so that right there should be enough to sway any thought process that we're going to get beat badly by the Eagles.

Just my two cents, though. You're free to think we'll get smoked, but I can understand why fans on here would take offense to that statement...

And I usually ignore you because you name call and attack other posters for having a differentnopinion than yours but to your credit you have been tolerable for quite some time now. Maybe you are smoking more reefer, either way thats the only reason I responded, so I appreciate it.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Its fine for other fans to have opinions, but for the record I also said they would beat the packers, bucs and steelers. I know everyone wants so hard for there to be a bad guy. How dare I suggest they will lose on the road to a potential playoff team? Btw if philly is average so is detroit. They are both 7-5, and the eagles beat the cardinals. Its really not that much of a stretch. Has everyone forgotten the bucs, cardinals, and steelers? Seriously. See my forum rules, short term memory.

You're definitely allowed to have your opinion, no questions asked, but it's the word choice that I think upsets people. No harm done, though.

I think Philly is average because they play in the weakest division in football and are just starting to figure things out. They're neither good, nor bad, right now, imo. They certainly are good enough to beat us, especially in Philly, but we're definitely good enough to beat them as well.

Please don't think I'm trying to bust your chops here- I'm not. I'm just clearing up where the issue was/is (imo). You're free to think whatever you want, but posting certain things (like that we'll get smoked by the Eagles) is going to be met with criticism around here. There's nothing wrong with that on both ends, though- it's just the nature of the board. I'd rather have guys with opposing view points creating conversation than everyone agreeing all the time...

 

[gvsulaker82]

You're definitely allowed to have your opinion, no questions asked, but it's the word choice that I think upsets people. No harm done, though.

I think Philly is average because they play in the weakest division in football and are just starting to figure things out. They're neither good, nor bad, right now, imo. They certainly are good enough to beat us, especially in Philly, but we're definitely good enough to beat them as well.

Please don't think I'm trying to bust your chops here- I'm not. I'm just clearing up where the issue was/is (imo). You're free to think whatever you want, but posting certain things (like that we'll get smoked by the Eagles) is going to be met with criticism around here. There's nothing wrong with that on both ends, though- it's just the nature of the board. I'd rather have guys with opposing view points creating conversation than everyone agreeing all the time...

For weeks Ive been saying how god awful the bears are and thats been evidenced by their performance these past two weeks. Ive also said the packers are a super bowl contender (oops) they clearly are not even with rodgers. To be fair, I think the nfc north is a weaker division than the east. But its really a toss up. If posters cant handle a different opinion thats their choice. Like I said, i said they would win their last three games and they only won once, but I say they will get smoked once by a good team on the road and Im a pessimist. Now, I might be more pessimistic about the lions than I am an optimist but I only have years of proof to back me up. But I am also not the extreme pessimist that people are painting me out to be. If a team or player is good, I make sure to comment on that. I never have anything negative to say about the tigers, because they are a fucking great team. When the lions reach that point I will be the same way. But if everyone wants to think of me as being a huge pessimist for doubting an average team, so be it. I know what I am. Im not swayed by one play or one game in either way. Im swayed by a consistent pattern of behavior which the lions have not demonstrated up to this point.

 

[tpaulus_2]

I dont get why its so pessimistic of me to think we will get our asses kicked.

What's your logic behind your thinking that we'll get our asses kicked?

 

[gvsulaker82]

What's your logic behind your thinking that we'll get our asses kicked?

Already said that to smitty...

 

[jdwills126]

What's your logic behind your thinking that we'll get our asses kicked?

For me!

History has a way of repeating itself and until the Lions can break the reoccurring outcome I will remain skeptical. It's like Charlie Brown going to kick that fucking ball. I want to reach into the TV and smack Lucy….I keep watching hoping that one day Charlie Brown will launch a perfect 50 yard FG but in the end that bitch keeps pulling the ball out and the Lions are left looking around like they can't believe it just happen but millions of fans expected it.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Criticize my opinion all you want, but dont call me a pessimist or a negative, whiny bitch because ou dont agree with me. There are many people here that get stirred up by the crowd that thinks the lions are great and their shit never stinks as well. Its really just not necessary to always magnify one "negative" part of my post you disagree with that stirs you up and make the generalization that Im a negative, whiny bitch pessimist. I spend as much time as any one of you breathingg and living lions football, period. I dont come on here because I hate the lions, on the contrary I love them. I have many positive and not so positive things to say about the lions. Unfortunately here the only things that matter are the not so positive ones.

 

[tpaulus_2]

And someone else saying eagles are average is an example of a homer.

Why is that? Because they (me, in this case) don't agree with your stance that the Eagles are better than average? I'd concede that maybe they're slightly above average, but I certainly wouldn't call them a good team yet. They're certainly not a bad team, but, given that they're two games over .500 in the worst division in football you'll just have to excuse me if I'm not ready to crown them just yet.

I certainly don't think there's any reasoning to thinking that they're drastically better than we are.

I think they will get smoked, but not sure how that makes me a pessimist.

Mostly it's because there's no reason to think that a team so evenly matched with us is going to smoke us. You're giving the Eagles their due as a decent team, but at the same time you're selling the current Lions squad way short, imo.

I dont get how its ok for kool aid fans to talk about the lions being super bowl contenders which is ridiculos bu not ok for me to think they will get smoked on the road sgainst a team as good or better than us.

Really? Any team that makes the playoffs is a legitimate Super Bowl contender. The Packers and Giants have proven that in the last 5 years.

This is probably the heart of the issue- that you find an easy statement to defend (us being Super Bowl contenders) to be ridiculous, yet you're more than willing to toss out inflammatory statements that don't have anything other than your opinion backing them up.

Its really not that much of a stretch. Even if I said, I think the lions will lose sunday I would still hear all the bullshit.

Saying you think they'll lose is legit. Saying you think they'll get smoked by the fricken' Eagles is obviously going to ruffle some feathers...

 

[gandydancer]

GVSU....I am optimistic that one day your pessimistic ways will change when they FINALLY become a fucking a great team!!

 

[gvsulaker82]

So you consider the lions average than? Since the eagles are in your mind? The eagles may play in a slightly worse division than detroit but they have had a tougher schedule as well. Did you think they would lose to the lowly steelers and bucs? They are a quarter of the team philly is, and philly isnt even good in your mind, they are average. Im not going to get in a pissing match over it, Ive made enough points as to why the lions will get whipped. If they dont awesome and I will be just as excited as you. I can also admit when Im wrong and have no problem doing so. There isnt one person that is always right here, although some think they are. So when the lions show they are not legitimate super bowl contenders will you admit you were wrong?

 

[gvsulaker82]

GVSU....I am optimistic that one day your pessimistic ways will change when they FINALLY become a fucking a great team!!

Thank you brother, and they will..when that day comes.

 

[CaptainStubing]

i have no problem at all with a fan being honest/logical about 'their' team. in fact, it's quite refreshing. i applaud it. however, in this case (on this topic) any lions fan who thinks their defense has not been playing at a top tier level over the past several weeks is just flat out wrong. The Lions defense has been very, very good recently and if they play like this in January and the Lions offense can avoid stepping all over their junk and giving the ball away time after time, the Lions will be a team no one wants to play in the playoffs. There are a lot of 'ifs' in there but the ceiling seems to be high for this group.

 

[Microwahevo]

by the crowd that thinks the lions are great and their shit never stinks

Id like to discuss this part. Besides Kreton, what Lions fans on this board think the Lions are the greatest and their shit doesn't stink? I'm curious bc that bullshit gets thrown around a lot and I just don't see any truth in it. I think everyone has criticism for this team, some a lot more than others. But I just don't see this huge group of posters that are "kool aid" drinkers(which in itself is a ridiculous phrase).

So seriously, who are these posters you speak of?

 

[tpaulus_2]

Twelve games into the season and the lions have won once against a team with a winning record. The 7-5 cowboys. As Ive been saying all season the lions are huge beneficiaries of an extremely soft schedule and they are STILL floundering. But alas, theres nothing realistic about that. They have been embarrassed against awful teams, they turn the ball over at an alarming rate, they were awful in their home opener against minnesota for the first fucking half. If thats not any indicator and it has been, I dont know how many more sign you need. The lions are better than last year but by no means have they won a game against a great team. There should be plenty of concern abou how inconsistent their team is as a whole but plenty of praise for their oline and dline, CJ, and staff. They have a ways to go. If you find that analysis pessimistic, good for you. I find it realistic.

My bad. I thought we were 7-5 and in the driver's seat to win our division.

I forgot that the NFL has now adopted the BCS and points are assigned for quality wins to determine who makes the post season. Silly me. Totally forgot that we'll be banned from the playoffs for having too many turnovers and being too inconsistent... Someone better tell the Giants that they have to return their Super Bowl trophies because they entered the playoffs as an inconsistent wildcard team that didn't dominate all season long...

 

[Microwahevo]

The Lions defense has been very, very good recently

I'd say their run D has been very very good, but the secondary has been shaky. They played very well Thursday but got torched by Pitt recently and have up some big plays to TB as well.

I'd say the secondary is what will take us far. If they get their shit together(fingers crossed) they have a legit shot.

 

[gvsulaker82]

Id like to discuss this part. Besides Kreton, what Lions fans on this board think the Lions are the greatest and their shit doesn't stink? I'm curious bc that bullshit gets thrown around a lot and I just don't see any truth in it. I think everyone has criticism for this team, some a lot more than others. But I just don't see this huge group of posters that are "kool aid" drinkers(which in itself is a ridiculous phrase).

So seriously, who are these posters you speak of?

Anyone that thinks the lions are a legitimate super bowl contender is definitely in over his head. Anyone that labels someone a whiny, negative bitch for having a differing viewpoint than themselves. But you actually illustrate my previous point beautifully. There are many of us that criticize the team but also have many great things to say as well that are labelled negative, whiny bitches, told to shut the fuck up, are labelled as pessimistic and as doom and gloomers. Even when we have great things to say, they are ignored. So if that entire population is labelled negative to an extreme, shouldnt it work both ways? All the individuals that are overly optimistic should be labelled to the extreme as well. Its only fair, really.

 

[gvsulaker82]

My bad. I thought we were 7-5 and in the driver's seat to win our division.

I forgot that the NFL has now adopted the BCS and points are assigned for quality wins to determine who makes the post season. Silly me. Totally forgot that we'll be banned from the playoffs for having too many turnovers and being too inconsistent... Someone better tell the Giants that they have to return their Super Bowl trophies because they entered the playoffs as an inconsistent wildcard team that didn't dominate all season long...

Alright man, nevermind, the lions are clearly the superior team and the giants and packers were both legitimate super bowl contenders heading into the playoffs.

 

[Microwahevo]

And who these posters though? I for one can only find Kreton as in your description. Everyone else has discussed our inadequacies. I can't think of one poster of the top of my head that thinks everything is happy go lucky for this team. So who are these posters you think fit this bill? Names would be great examples.

Like I said, I think that phrase gets thrown around without much substance to it.

 

[tpaulus_2]

So you consider the lions average than?

I think we're somewhere between average and good. Above average, I guess, would be the apropriate moniker. I think we're a bit better than the Eagles, more talent across the board, but they're not far behind us at all, imo.

Did you think they would lose to the lowly steelers and bucs?

I thought we'd lose to the Steelers, yes, and I don't find them to be lowly in the least. They've been playing much better football as of late. No reason at all we should have lost to the Bucs, but we did, so it is what it is. At this point that loss is in the rear-view mirror, and doesn't look like it will effect us in the long-run the way the Bears and Packer's seasons are shaking out.

Like I keep saying- all we have to do is get our ticket punched to the playoffs, then it's anyone's tournament to win or lose. "Any given Sunday" gets taken to a whole new level in the playoffs.

They are a quarter of the team philly is, and philly isnt even good in your mind, they are average.

I think you're giving Philly more credit than anyone who isn't an Eagles fan at this point.

Im not going to get in a pissing match over it, Ive made enough points as to why the lions will get whipped.

I still can't recall seeing one. Unless you arguing that the Eagles are good counts as "making a point."

If they dont awesome and I will be just as excited as you. I can also admit when Im wrong and have no problem doing so. There isnt one person that is always right here, although some think they are. So when the lions show they are not legitimate super bowl contenders will you admit you were wrong?

Sure. And if we make the playoffs, thus proving that we are indeed a legitimate Super Bowl contender, will you admit that you are wrong?