Bengals bringing Thomas Howard for a workout

[jwil007]

Collins is what he is...a good backup. Could he start for some other NFL teams? Probably. Most likely at RT, and not LT, but a starter is a starter, I digress...

However, to say that Whit hasn't been that good is simply a false statement. He is consistantly rated as one of the top 5-10 LT's in the game. It's sheer lunacy to simply suggest otherwise. You may not like him, and he may not be flashy, but he gets the job done, and people around the NFL notice.

And if Jwil comes on here and says that he sees Collins doing better than Whit, then I'm going to suggest that Jwil get his eyes checked...lol

Collins is a better pass blocker than Whit on the left....Whit is good but always wish he played LG and Collins played LT... AGAIN people...LOL WE ARE ALL ABOUT TO SEE HOW HE DOES ARENT WE??????????????? T minus 3 days and counting.....

 

[jwil007]

Wallace Gilberry! lol

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cincyfan78]

I love the facts Mr Cincy what facts did you post that I didnt agree with? LOL

Well, let's take Moch for example.

You claim to SEE more in him than Still or Kirkpatrick.

Moch: 1 game played, 0 tackles.

How can you SEE anything (as you claim to do when hyping up guys) when the guy NEVER plays?

At least Kirkpatrick and Still have stats to show they played in a game, and made impacts.

Again, I'm not doubting that Collins can't play LT, or that he wont' be any good, but you are trying to push him past a player that many people around the NFL consider one of the best LT's since 2009.

I'm also not doubting that Moch has talent, but when you claim all this BS about SEEING better than HEARING things, and then go right against what you say by completely ignoring stats that show otherwise you are being quite hypocritical.

Basically, you like you like, and that's the bottom line. And that's fine. But don't go around saying that this player A sucks and you don't SEE anything in him and then hype up another player B beacuse you SEE more in him, when the player that sucks gets on the field and plays, and the player you hype can't even make more tackles than I do from my couch.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Here are Collins' PFf stats from 2008-2012

2012--64 snaps at LT (0.8/-0.1/0.5)
2011--176 snaps {172 at rt 4 at lt} (6.1/5.2/-0.3)
2010--262 snaps {261 at RT} (3.9/6.5/-3.3)
2009--396 snaps {383 at RT} (8.3/2.2/4.5)
2008--380 snaps {380 at LT} (-2.7/-0.9/-1.9)

The numbers are ordered as suchtotal rating/pass blocking/run blocking

So Collins has 1278 snaps over five seasons, about a season and a quarter's worth of snaps

His combined ratings over that time are a solid +16.4
His pass block ratings are +12.9, also quite good
His run block ratings are -0.5

He may be able to get it done. One caveat is that the majority of successful snaps have been on the other side where you tend to face less quality speed rushers.

And what would Whits stats be?

 

[jwil007]

Well, let's take Moch for example.

You claim to SEE more in him than Still or Kirkpatrick.

Moch: 1 game played, 0 tackles.

How can you SEE anything (as you claim to do when hyping up guys) when the guy NEVER plays?

At least Kirkpatrick and Still have stats to show they played in a game, and made impacts.

Again, I'm not doubting that Collins can't play LT, or that he wont' be any good, but you are trying to push him past a player that many people around the NFL consider one of the best LT's since 2009.

-Im over the dude...I think we have seen his best days...If Im wrong then so be it...I lose no sleep. That knee is bad bottomline and he will NEVER be as healty again...Call it the Levi Jones or Willie Anderson syndrome...

I'm also not doubting that Moch has talent, but when you claim all this BS about SEEING better than HEARING things, and then go right against what you say by completely ignoring stats that show otherwise you are being quite hypocritical.
-LMFAO OK Still and Dre played like 10 snaps over Moch....Still think Moch has WAY more upside than either...They all get to prove it dont they???? So we will see..LOL

Basically, you like you like, and that's the bottom line. And that's fine. But don't go around saying that this player A sucks and you don't SEE anything in him and then hype up another player B beacuse you SEE more in him, when the player that sucks gets on the field and plays, and the player you hype can't even make more tackles than I do from my couch.

-Its my opinion I can do what and say what the fuck I want...You know that....LOL if I feel differently Im never gonna stop posting it...So skip over the shit and keep it movin...if Im wrong I return...I see a WHOLE BUNCH of MOFO's that DO NOT man up on this page....Lets see how people do this year...Maybe God has changed them...LOL

 

[cincygrad]

-Its my opinion I can do what and say what the fuck I want...You know that....LOL if I feel differently Im never gonna stop posting it...So skip over the shit and keep it movin...if Im wrong I return...I see a WHOLE BUNCH of MOFO's that DO NOT man up on this page....Lets see how people do this year...Maybe God has changed them...LOL

Who exactly are we talking about when we say someone doesn't man up, or doesn't come back. The SportsHoopla is the same ~10-12 posters every week.... And of these 10-12 people I am the only one that is always correct. Therefore, most of these mofos keep coming back even when they are wrong all the time.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Jesus Christ Jwill has turned into a troll.

 

[jwil007]

Who exactly are we talking about when we say someone doesn't man up, or doesn't come back. The SportsHoopla is the same ~10-12 posters every week.... And of these 10-12 people I am the only one that is always correct. Therefore, most of these mofos keep coming back even when they are wrong all the time.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Confidence at its best

 

[bengaldoug]

And what would Whits stats be?

Enormous by comparison

2012---1070 snaps (23.3/27.2/-1.5)
2011---1166 snaps(24.3/25.1/-4.3)
2010---1125 snaps(36.4/20.3/12.2)
2009---1153 snaps(24.6/18.2/11.2)
2008---played LG

His ratings are elite, especially in pass blocking where he was 1st/2nd/2nd/6th over the last four years. His run block ratings have tailed off the last two years, maybe because of the knee. But as I told jwil in an earlier post, Collins has huge shoes to fill.

 

[jwil007]

Jesus Christ Jwill has turned into a troll.

nope. try again....only talkin 4 players and IM a troll???...dude you dont make troll distinctions....shit is funny...

 

[jwil007]

Enormous by comparison

2012---1070 snaps (23.3/27.2/-1.5)
2011---1166 snaps(24.3/25.1/-4.3)
2010---1125 snaps(36.4/20.3/12.2)
2009---1153 snaps(24.6/18.2/11.2)
2008---played LG

His ratings are elite, especially in pass blocking where he was 1st/2nd/2nd/6th over the last four years. His run block ratings have tailed off the last two years, maybe because of the knee. But as I told jwil in an earlier post, Collins has huge shoes to fill.

He absolutely has large shoes to fill...Notice the run blocking...That always tails off when knees come into play.... That knee has been bad for 3 seasons now...Interesting.... Degenerative maybe??????????? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[bengaldoug]

Jesus Christ Jwill has turned into a troll.

No he hasn't. He's just opinionated. He's not afraid to disagree but he never has made personal attacks.

 

[jwil007]

No he hasn't. He's just opinionated. He's not afraid to disagree but he never has made personal attacks.

appreciate that BD.....You know me...You have seen my maturity over the years...thats all I am is very opinionated and when I can post facts I will....Hell I been wrong plenty of times....I have been right plenty of times too...hell its hit or miss with this...

 

[bengaldoug]

He absolutely has large shoes to fill...Notice the run blocking...That always tails off when knees come into play.... That knee has been bad for 3 seasons now...Interesting.... Degenerative maybe??????????? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

His run blocking has dropped off, as you say. I've been concerned about Whit all preseason since his knee was supposed to have been taken care of in the offseason. We need Whit. Even with the knee he has maintained elite level as a pass blocker. Collins has shown promise, but mostly on the right side. This will be a huge test for Collins and he gets thrown right into the fire against a multiple pro bowler.

 

[jwil007]

His run blocking has dropped off, as you say. I've been concerned about Whit all preseason since his knee was supposed to have been taken care of in the offseason. We need Whit. Even with the knee he has maintained elite level as a pass blocker. Collins has shown promise, but mostly on the right side. This will be a huge test for Collins and he gets thrown right into the fire against a multiple pro bowler.

Pepper is slowing down with 12 years in the league.. LIke Hobson said He better call Willie Anderson on how to play Pep.... But I think dude will be ready for it...I really do... yea he may give up a sack but hell Whit gives up a couple a season.... Cant wait to see what happens...

 

[cincygrad]

No he hasn't. He's just opinionated. He's not afraid to disagree but he never has made personal attacks.

I liked it better when he challenged you to a fight at Longworths.

Just kidding J.

 

[bengaldoug]

I liked it better when he challenged you to a fight at Longworths.

Just kidding J.

I remember his challenging someone, but I don't ever remember being the target. LOL.

 

[Cincyfan78]

It was me, and it was over that LB who ended up drinking himself out of the league after an all-pro rookie season....

j/k

 

[jwil007]

I liked it better when he challenged you to a fight at Longworths.

Just kidding J.

LOL

 

[jwil007]

It was me, and it was over that LB who ended up drinking himself out of the league after an all-pro rookie season....

j/k

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Odell damn thurman it wasnt him...it wasnt even you..LOL