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[Cincyfan78]

I was going to say the same about you.

Touche! LOL

 

[cincygrad]

 

[Cincyfan78]

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Speaking of which...where the hell is Kramer? It's like he got sober and got a real job.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I always go to eastgate or kenwood mall

 

[cincygrad]

Speaking of which...where the hell is Kramer? It's like he got sober and got a real job.

He works for the man now...... He's a postal worker. It's sort of like reality imitating art, or something like that.....

 

[Rust Cohle]

sigh.

so now Dalton is better than Peyton Manning. ok. fine. I guess now that Manning is retired Dalton is pretty much better. he's also better than all the other QBs who have either retired or died, unless any of them are planning to come out of retirement, then I can't comment on those. for the record I am not saying that the qbs who have died are going to come out of retirement. in case my former english teacher ir reading this.

2015 Andy Dalton >>>>>> 2015 Peyton Manning

 

[Rust Cohle]

DanBengalfan seems about as intelligent as his avatar, or he's just a trolling kunt. Probably both.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I like to have fun with people who over-estimate Dalton and seem to think he's on par with Rodgers or Brady without really stating it clearly.

but secretly I hope Dalton does well. just don't tell anyone.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I like to have fun with people who over-estimate Dalton and seem to think he's on par with Rodgers or Brady without really stating it clearly.

but secretly I hope Dalton does well. just don't tell anyone.

Here's the thing, though...I want to see where anyone has ever said, in all seriousness, that Dalton is, was, or will be as good as Rodgers, Brady, or prime Manning, etc...

I think even those of us who have defended him on here have never really put him that high. I think he's a top 10 QB, and he's showed that in the last few years, he deserves to be in that group. The thing with him now, is he's got to get bigger in prime-time. He's got to play bigger in prime-time. He's got to get this team over the hump in prime-time AND in the playoffs.

At a minimum he needs to have a few playoff games where he's helping the team to a win rather than the opposite. Those are fair criticisms of his play, and I think because of those few games where he does poorly it's in bigger games, and people seem to knock him down a few notches in their book. Fair or not, I'm sure it's what happens and that's on him.

 

[Rust Cohle]

I like to have fun with people who over-estimate Dalton and seem to think he's on par with Rodgers or Brady without really stating it clearly.

but secretly I hope Dalton does well. just don't tell anyone.

Who the fuck said that? I get the impression that's mental gymnastics on your part. Dalton is decent, if he plays to level he did last season, the Bengals can win the Super Bowl.

 

[cincygrad]

I like to have fun with people who over-estimate Dalton and seem to think he's on par with Rodgers or Brady without really stating it clearly.

but secretly I hope Dalton does well. just don't tell anyone.

Who has ever implied that the guy is a first ballot HOF? I mean, I remember that one stupid graphic that compared Dalton to Manning, but I don't know anyone that really read much into that..... It was just sort of silly. My point has always been the same - There are a lot of shitty quarterbacks in this league. Once you get beyond the 5 or 6 great ones, it's a real clusterfuck. Dalton is better than most of the shitty guys. That's why he's a top 10-12 dude.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Dalton plays well against suspect defenses.

if by some miracle all the defenses he faces in the playoffs are just as suspect, sure, we'll mention Dalton and superbowl in the same sentence. but that is highly unlikely.

since his season was cut short by a stupid injury, it is farer to average his last 2 years together when projecting the next season.

again. without really stating it, people are so hopeful that Dalton can get us to the superbowl they are willing to believe anything, even if it doesn't make since.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Who has ever implied that the guy is a first ballot HOF? I mean, I remember that one stupid graphic that compared Dalton to Manning, but I don't know anyone that really read much into that..... It was just sort of silly. My point has always been the same - There are a lot of shitty quarterbacks in this league. Once you get beyond the 5 or 6 great ones, it's a real clusterfuck. Dalton is better than most of the shitty guys. That's why he's a top 10-12 dude.

I can see possibly rating him 10-12

 

[alf8478]

I for one am glad to see Detective Cohl has been assigned to the case of Andy Dalton's rank among NFL quarterbacks.

Maybe it will be more interesting than Season 2 of True Detective.

 

[DanBengalfan]

there's some articles out there about the debate. do you just count last season? or do you count the last 3 seasons? How you look at it changes a lot.

If he can somehow get over the primetime issue he would be a great QB.

it's not his fault that he plays on a team where people do dumb shit either.

but I'm not going to waste my time defending Dalton, if he improves his play, no one will need to do that.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Dalton plays well against suspect defenses.

if by some miracle all the defenses he faces in the playoffs are just as suspect, sure, we'll mention Dalton and superbowl in the same sentence. but that is highly unlikely.

since his season was cut short by a stupid injury, it is farer to average his last 2 years together when projecting the next season.

again. without really stating it, people are so hopeful that Dalton can get us to the superbowl they are willing to believe anything, even if it doesn't make since.

Baltimore - 8th in total defense: Dalton 20/32, 383 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. QB rating of 122.3
Kansas - 7th in total defense: Dalton 17/24, 321 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, QB Rating 127.1
Seattle - 2nd in total defense: Dalton 30/44, 331 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT QB Rating 95.9, led 4th quarter/OT comeback
Houston - 3rd in total defense: Dalton 21/38, 197 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, QB rating 61.0 Worst game of year.
Arizona - 5th in total defense: Dalton 22/39, 315 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, QB rating of 99.8

So, against the 5 best teams in defense they faced last year, Dalton 3-2, with really only the one game being a big part where he hurt the team in the Texans (Always the Texans).

That's 8 TD's and just 3 INT against some of the better defenses in the NFL last year. A combined rating 101.2. The guy flat out got it done last year more often than not, AND did it against some of the best defenses in the NFL.

You also can't average 2014 with 2015 because that was a completely different set of players on the field with the offense.

2014 - AJ not healthy all season. Jones missed entire season. Eifert missed all but 1 1/2 quarters of play.
2015 - Healthy AJ all year. Jones played all year. Eifert played in the majority of their games.

If you wanted to be a bit more consistent, then maybe take a look at 2013 and then 2015 to find more of a comparison. Bottom line, Dalton got it done last year, and when he has some help around him, it's not completely out of the realm to think that this team can compete against the best in the NFL. They still have to show it come January, there's no arguing that, but they've shown they can be right there when playing against some of the best.

 

[Cincyfan78]

there's some articles out there about the debate. do you just count last season? or do you count the last 3 seasons? How you look at it changes a lot.

If he can somehow get over the primetime issue he would be a great QB.

it's not his fault that he plays on a team where people do dumb shit either.

but I'm not going to waste my time defending Dalton, if he improves his play, no one will need to do that.

That is where I think you may be wrong. He played well in 2013, and 2015. 2014 a bit of an anomaly because of the rash of injuries at WR/TE. Yet people still want to see more and more.

The reality is, until he wins multiple prime-time games and multiple playoff games, no one will get off his back. And he can't just win them, he'll have to play extremely well in them or people will talk about how they won despite him. He's almost in a no-win situation at this point with the majority of the fans who already don't like him. Not that he, personally, cares.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Dalton plays well against suspect defenses.

if by some miracle all the defenses he faces in the playoffs are just as suspect, sure, we'll mention Dalton and superbowl in the same sentence. but that is highly unlikely.

since his season was cut short by a stupid injury, it is farer to average his last 2 years together when projecting the next season.

again. without really stating it, people are so hopeful that Dalton can get us to the superbowl they are willing to believe anything, even if it doesn't make since.

Also, I'm just hoping he can play well enough...the team has a good enough defense and pretty much special teams. They have the skill set around him. Hell, if friggin' Trent Dilfer can win a SB, then I'm sure as hell certain Dalton can play "well enough" for the Bengals to compete.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Trent Dilfer had the luxury of not being surrounded by idiots.

I'm getting really tired of Trent Dilfer being brought up every year, honestly.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Trent Dilfer had the luxury of not being surrounded by idiots.

I'm getting really tired of Trent Dilfer being brought up every year, honestly.

Ok, fair point.

Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Brad fucking Johnson...Point being, Dalton doesn't have to necessarily "win" the game, as much as he simply needs to not lose it. However, this year was, hopefully, a building block against better teams and better defenses where he was more a part of their wins than their losses.