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[Cincyfan78]

sigh.

so now Dalton is better than Peyton Manning. ok. fine. I guess now that Manning is retired Dalton is pretty much better. he's also better than all the other QBs who have either retired or died, unless any of them are planning to come out of retirement, then I can't comment on those. for the record I am not saying that the qbs who have died are going to come out of retirement. in case my former english teacher ir reading this.

If you don't understand the difference between MVP Manning, and the Manning that has suited up the last 2 years, then no wonder you think that getting Sanchez in here would have minimal impact at the QB position.

No one is saying that Dalton will ever be on the same level as MVP Manning. That wasn't the Manning that showed up last year (or really the year before).

Dalton is what he is, but he's not nearly as bad as many try and make him out to be. He's been a very solid QB, especially in the regular season. Yes, his playoffs have been sub-par (putting it nicely), but there have been some playoff games where other players have made the biggest "oops" plays. AJ should have had a TD in year 1 against Houston (I think it was), and has other games he's just gone MIA. Bernard had a killer fumble against SD. Hill's fumble last year, sans Dalton of course, killed that game as well as the penalties that followed on defense.

Dalton has had his share of playoff failure, but it's not like the team around him has rallied around him to help this team win, either. Each section has done its part to lose games.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Dalton is in the middle of the stack.

maybe a little ahead of the middle, but I'm not sure as the NFL is getting some outstanding talent in it every year.

he's not the QB GOD you people keep making him out to be.

 

[cincygrad]

Dalton is in the middle of the stack.

maybe a little ahead of the middle, but I'm not sure as the NFL is getting some outstanding talent in it every year.

he's not the QB GOD you people keep making him out to be.

I'm just not understanding why you think people make him out to be a God..... I'd say the SportsHoopla boarding history would suggest otherwise. Over half of our fans wanted him benched for the past few seasons (before 2015). And even those that supported him mostly admitted that he was limited. He had a great year last year though.

 

[cincygrad]

Quarterbacks currently better than Dalton:

Brady
Rivers
Big Ben
Luck
Brees
Newton
Rogers
Palmer

 

[Cincyfan78]

Dalton is in the middle of the stack.

maybe a little ahead of the middle, but I'm not sure as the NFL is getting some outstanding talent in it every year.

he's not the QB GOD you people keep making him out to be.

While some have defended him in the past (and I have been in the boat), NO ONE has ever made him out to be on the MVP level of any currently GREAT QB in the NFL: Brees, Manning (prior to past 2 years), Brady, Rodgers, etc....

I think there are some more straws over that way, if you want to keep grasping, though.

 

[DanBengalfan]

bullshit.

I say DAlton is the 60-75% percentile for NFL QBs and you asshats lose your freaking minds.
any mention of Dalton being average you go ape shit.

there's at least 10 or more NFL qbs who are better
get over it

 

[Cincyfan78]

bullshit.

I say DAlton is the 60-75% percentile for NFL QBs and you asshats lose your freaking minds.
any mention of Dalton being average you go ape shit.

there's at least 10 or more NFL qbs who are better
get over it

You do realize by saying he's not, basically, in the top 30% of the league means he's just outside the top 10, right? Just speaking based on percentages. Which is probably about right.

You can talk about, probably, 8-10 QB's you would, no doubt, take over Dalton. After that, you get into a conversation where Dalton could be better than some of those just outside the top 10.

Why so bitter all of a sudden? Take a Xanax and chill. Sheesh. I don't see anyone losing their minds over someone saying Dalton isn't a top 5, or a top 10 QB. Have people argued about giving him time? Yes. Giving him more support on offense? Yes. However, I can't recall any conversation that said, for a fact, they thought Dalton was an MVP, Manning type, top 5/top 10, sure fire stud QB.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Dalton is not the greatest QB of all time.

he is not god.

stop it.

just stop.

 

[JBUCK66]

Dalton is the 13th best QB in the league

 

[DanBengalfan]

Dalton is the 13th best QB in the league

that's mostly likely a correct assessment.
new talent coming in every year too.

 

[cincygrad]

Dalton is the 13th best QB in the league

You can't name 12 quarterbacks better than Dalton.

 

[futballiscool]

You can't name 12 quarterbacks better than Dalton.

It feels almost impossible to rank Dalton right now. Last season's performance was such an outlier. If he truly turned the corner and that's his new level of play he's easily a top 10 guy. Maybe higher if he plays well in the postseason. I'm not completely sold that's the case. I need to see it for more than 12 games

 

[DanBengalfan]

last season shouldn't count, as it just adds confusion to the equation.

therefore, he's about the 25th best starting QB.

he still sucks... cuz logic.

boom.

drops the microphone.

 

[cincygrad]

It feels almost impossible to rank Dalton right now. Last season's performance was such an outlier. If he truly turned the corner and that's his new level of play he's easily a top 10 guy. Maybe higher if he plays well in the postseason. I'm not completely sold that's the case. I need to see it for more than 12 games

Or you could say that's what Dalton can do with a full cast of weapons..... For the most part, he had Green, Jones, Eifert, Gio, and Sanu for all 12 of his games (I think Eifert missed one or two, per usual). On the other hand, I think it was unfair to judge him in 2014 when AJ was never really healthy, Jones and Eifert didn't play at all (save one or two quarters from Eifert), and Mo Sanu was his best receiver for a few games. So I like to think of him as a top 10 guy when he has top 10 weapons...... But where does that leave us this year? No Eifert to start the season..... No Jones, no Sanu..... Big question marks with Lafell and the kids. Most likely, he'll be somewhere between the two seasons - Which still puts him in the top 12 in my opinion.

 

[cincygrad]

that's mostly likely a correct assessment.
new talent coming in every year too.

Yes..... The new talent is astounding. Who will be the next Gino Smith? EJ Manuel? Mike Glennon? RGIII? Jonny Football? Ryan Tannehill? Brandon Weeden?

Hell, even can't miss guys like Mariotta weren't as good as Dalton as a rookie.

 

[futballiscool]

Or you could say that's what Dalton can do with a full cast of weapons..... For the most part, he had Green, Jones, Eifert, Gio, and Sanu for all 12 of his games (I think Eifert missed one or two, per usual). On the other hand, I think it was unfair to judge him in 2014 when AJ was never really healthy, Jones and Eifert didn't play at all (save one or two quarters from Eifert), and Mo Sanu was his best receiver for a few games. So I like to think of him as a top 10 guy when he has top 10 weapons...... But where does that leave us this year? No Eifert to start the season..... No Jones, no Sanu..... Big question marks with Lafell and the kids. Most likely, he'll be somewhere between the two seasons - Which still puts him in the top 12 in my opinion.

For me he doesn't need stats like last season to be a top ten QB. He just needs to consistently play at a high level week to week. If he another year like that I'll consider him in the top tier. I can rank him ahead of guys like Romo or Eli or Ryan and it's fair. But I can see a scenario where Dalton struggles the first few weeks of the season and any of those other QBs play well and they'll be considered better than he is by the end of September. Any ranking for Dalton feels shaky at the moment.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I am amazed how many people work so hard to try and discredit Dalton as a QB.

His 2013 numbers were also pretty good. 7th in the NFL in passing. More yards than Palmer, Big Ben, Romo, Eli, and even Luck.

2014 was rough, but hard to put up numbers when your top targets are all hurt. AJ was never right after the 1st game, Jones missed the entire season, and Eifert missed the entire season sans 1 1/2 quarters of play. That playoff game that year had them lining up Tate, Sanu, and Burkhead as starting WR's.

2015 showed what he can do with a full cast around him. He's not a top 5 QB, but it's not a stretch to say that he can be a top 10. Last year he showed he can lead this team to wins in tough games, but will need to obviously get the playoff monkey off his back. There's no question about that, but I think 2015 is what many expected in 2014 before the top 3 targets went down with injuries that hampered their play or took them out completely.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I'll be elated if he completes a single pass this season.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I'd be elated if you made a meaningful post or contribution to the board this season.

I guess we all have our hopes and dreams.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I was going to say the same about you.