Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[tlance]

But the thing is, Simmons' value ultimately really WASN'T much lower than what it was in in 2020. They tried to trade him for Simmons in November of 2020. And the deal was very similar to what the Nets took. Swap Curry with Thybulle.

No, it is.

Harden’s value is just MUCH lower also.

 

[ill]

What other jerseys could you wear in Philly and get booed out the room?

TO for a while, but he's more accepted now
I think Lindros was a no no for a bit but is acceptable again
Simmons won't ever be ok again

 

[Shanemansj13]

Both players values dropped significantly, not sure why people don't realize this. Also, both teams were desperate to get a trade done. It is what it is. Both teams got better but what team did it help more? We can debate it all day but only time will tell. From first glance it's BKN but a lot of other issues for them. Harden has his own issues as well. Basically drama queens switched teams but the Nets improved their depth. I thought before the traded they were pretty weak other than the Big 3 especially with Harris out.

 

[Wamu]

What other jerseys could you wear in Philly and get booed out the room?

TO for a while, but he's more accepted now
I think Lindros was a no no for a bit but is acceptable again
Simmons won't ever be ok again

Mitch Williams?

 

[flyerhawk]

2020 Harden was when people thought he was still the MVP James Harden. Harden right now is a version who scores far less efficiently than ever before, has forced the trade of players he did not like, and demanded a trade off of a team in 2 consecutive years. Harden value has never been lower than right now, and 76ers had to toss in a lot of sweeteners for it to happen. They gave up Simmons, picks, and key role players to take back less value than Morey was demanding from other teams at the start.

NO ONE thought that the Sixers could get Harden for Simmons straight up. And the Nets WEREN'T going to trade him until Harden made it untenable to keep him.

 

[fightinfunbags]

100% right on the second part.

What Philly fans fail to comprehend is that Harden’s value is not close to what it was when they acquired him.

Can’t really compare the price tag of the two trades without factoring that in.

The deal is done. “Value” doesn’t matter anymore. The Sixers aren’t looking to deal him. He’s the piece they’re pairing with Embiid to shoot their shot. Time will tell if they’re right but he fits the bill for what they were looking to pair Embiid with.

 

[mannyz]

This thread is really funny. Early on people were saying we couldn't get crap for Simmons, we ended up getting a player that is arguably top 10 in the league, for a player that would be pushed around in the WNBA, a center on an expiring contract, and a sharp shooter that is also on an expiring contract. The 2 first rnd picks don't really matter because they are going to be late anyway. Most importantly, they did not have to include either of the players some of you couch GM's said we would have to include or it would not get done, Tyrese Maxey and Matisse Thybold. No one here really knows what is going on in the background. I am just looking forward to Embiid playing with a guard that is not afraid to take a shot from anywhere on the court.

 

[Shanemansj13]

This thread is really funny. Early on people were saying we couldn't get crap for Simmons, we ended up getting a player that is arguably top 10 in the league, for a player that would be pushed around in the WNBA, a center on an expiring contract, and a sharp shooter that is also on an expiring contract. The 2 first rnd picks don't really matter because they are going to be late anyway. Most importantly, they did not have to include either of the players some of you couch GM's said we would have to include or it would not get done, Tyrese Maxey and Matisse Thybold. No one here really knows what is going on in the background. I am just looking forward to Embiid playing with a guard that is not afraid to take a shot from anywhere on the court.

But you aren't taking into account Harden's value dramatically was lowered for multiple reasons: the 2nd time in two years asking for a trade, his overall play on the Nets and his contract. Harden is definitely not playing like a top 10 player right now, he isn't a top 25 player right now. Could he be on Philly? Absolutely. I agree on the assets that BKN received but it's the way their roster is built is the scary part. Their main goal is getting out of the play-in. Currently, Philly is in a better position but who knows once the playoffs roll around and teams can get healthy or lack their of.

 

[Sparhawk]

Tweet was unavailable. What did it say?

That Harden did not opt in for next year.
Guess it was fake news.

 

[flyerhawk]

100% right on the second part.

What Philly fans fail to comprehend is that Harden’s value is not close to what it was when they acquired him.

Can’t really compare the price tag of the two trades without factoring that in.

This is all counter-factual speculation.

Harden's worth is based on any number of factors. Him making it clear that he only wanted to go to Philly certainly hurt his "value". But it also was why he was traded in the 1st place.

Whenever a superstar is traded, their value is ALWAYS diminished.

 

[Iggloo]

LOL.

I very clearly said I expected him to play as soon as he was traded.

He could have played in Philly this season.

And that doesn’t mean he does not have legit issues.

You (Philly fans) spend all summer making him feel unwanted, then expect him to show up and play like nothing happened?

So what are you saying exactly? He had legit mental health issues but they disappeared immediately when he put on a different colored jersey?

Face it, Simmons used mental health as an excuse to stay home because he was a petulant child who didn't like facing criticism of his performance. Being a petulant child is not a mental health issue, it's an emotional maturity issue.

 

[Shanemansj13]

This is all counter-factual speculation.

Harden's worth is based on any number of factors. Him making it clear that he only wanted to go to Philly certainly hurt his "value". But it also was why he was traded in the 1st place.

Whenever a superstar is traded, their value is ALWAYS diminished.

When they force their way out and their value is dramatically lowered. Look at Kyrie on CLE. So yeah Simmons value is still not very high but Harden's isn't either. If BKN tried to trade him anywhere else they get less but bc of the issues with Philly-Simmons they got pretty good overall value, most would agree. His overall play and his contract situation were also factors on his diminished value.

 

[trojanfan12]

When they force their way out and their value is dramatically lowered. Look at Kyrie on CLE. So yeah Simmons value is still not very high but Harden's isn't either. If BKN tried to trade him anywhere else they get less but bc of the issues with Philly-Simmons they got pretty good overall value, most would agree. His overall play and his contract situation were also factors on his diminished value.

The Sixers gave up the kind of assets to get Harden that they thought they were going to get for Simmons. lol

 

[WiggyRuss]

The deal is done. “Value” doesn’t matter anymore. The Sixers aren’t looking to deal him. He’s the piece they’re pairing with Embiid to shoot their shot. Time will tell if they’re right but he fits the bill for what they were looking to pair Embiid with.

gotta say- -after the entire "process" to be left with Embiid, Harden, down a couple first round picks, Maxey and Thybulle seems a little underwhelming

but then again- Celtics had just as many assets and are not in as good of a position.

point of the post--- no one in the NBA is shooting a high % on their moves- still such a crap shoot


except Koby Altman of course

 

[Shanemansj13]

gotta say- -after the entire "process" to be left with Embiid, Harden, down a couple first round picks, Maxey and Thybulle seems a little underwhelming

but then again- Celtics had just as many assets and are not in as good of a position.

point of the post--- no one in the NBA is shooting a high % on their moves- still such a crap shoot


except Koby Altman of course

 

[fightinfunbags]

The Sixers gave up the kind of assets to get Harden that they thought they were going to get for Simmons. lol

For the All NBA player that’s won the MVP? Ya got us!

 

[flyerhawk]

When they force their way out and their value is dramatically lowered. Look at Kyrie on CLE. So yeah Simmons value is still not very high but Harden's isn't either. If BKN tried to trade him anywhere else they get less but bc of the issues with Philly-Simmons they got pretty good overall value, most would agree. His overall play and his contract situation were also factors on his diminished value.

There was nowhere else to trade Harden because he made it clear he would only go to 3 other teams and really just one team.

Neither Simmons or Harden would have been traded if they didn't force their way out. Of course that lowered their value. But their value is meaningless if they aren't going to get traded. What is Doncic's trade value? What is Jokic's value? Might as well be infinite because they are never getting traded.

Superstar level players only get traded because something goes wrong which necessarily means their value is diminished.

 

[thunderc]

They won’t regret trading Ben Simmons.

They will regret trading him to Brooklyn for James Harden.

I don’t know that regret will be the right word. Both of these teams were kind of in a nothing to lose situation. That said, Harden will need to dial the clock back a few years somehow for this really to work well for the Sixers.

 

[fightinfunbags]

gotta say- -after the entire "process" to be left with Embiid, Harden, down a couple first round picks, Maxey and Thybulle seems a little underwhelming

but then again- Celtics had just as many assets and are not in as good of a position.

point of the post--- no one in the NBA is shooting a high % on their moves- still such a crap shoot


except Koby Altman of course

I agree with ya on the process. But understand you’re grading the work of Colangelo and Brett Brown and to a certain extent Elton Brand. They screwed this up through Simmons. Other mistakes but that’s essentially THE mistake. They should have dealt him after the Toronto exit when he pouted and kept Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris. But that has nothing to do with the decision making that went into yesterday. That decision was made after Colangelo got shit canned because of his burner accounts and Brett Brown was the defacto GM as Elton Brand was just getting his feet wet. Brown and Simmons family had a relationship prior to Ben coming here and Brown got played and we all suffered. The NBA hated the Process. They stepped in and cut Hinkie’s nuts off. Many squads are running their own Process these days including your Cavs. Is the NBA threatening to step in and meddle in anybody else’s franchise? Sorry. You struck a nerve when you called out the Process. There were tons of mistakes and some were Hinkie’s as well. But it bothers me to this day that their meddling set that franchise on a tumultuous path and it’s all because the architect was a little too cavalier and aggressive in the way he did what everybody knows is a legit pathway to rebuild and teams are still doing to this day.

 

[flyerhawk]

For the All NBA player that’s won the MVP? Ya got us!

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It's amusing watching all the posturing from other fans trying to portray Harden as some chump diva.