Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[fightinfunbags]

Horford was a better player but a worse fit in Philly.

Hell al is still better

Disagree entirely. Horford has really hit that wall. He’s a better glue guy and better defender but Tobias is a bucket. On a good team he’s a great third option. He’s an efficient offensive player that doesn’t need a lot of shots to put up 20. The drawback is the salary. He’s a max contract but not a max player. Salaries out of the equation Tobias Harris > Al right now.

 

[fightinfunbags]

The 5 thing though I get. Teams find good cheap centers all the time.

They’ve been a destination for buy outs because of the Star power there and through the buy out period last season and this summer they landed Jack shit at the 5.

 

[flyerhawk]

Agree with that sentiment. It’s reminiscent for me of Embiid’s draft year. The Sixers were saved from themselves. They tanked for Wiggins or Parker, fell to 3 in the lottery and ended up “settling” for the best player in that draft. The Nets threw caution to the wind and acquired the 3 best players they could with no regard for the fact that Harden and Kyrie are both ball dominant and don’t fit together when by all rights KD should be getting the most shots on that team anyway. They get a situation like Ben Simmons that falls in their lap to fix it. I agree that this really helps the Nets. That’s why throwing in pieces that are anything but salary filler is insane.

I think both Marks and Morey also have to appear like they were in control of the situation. People forget how much personal pride and image matter in these deals.

I am 70% confident a deal gets done today. And if I had to guess it will be Simmons/Curry/1st round pick. Possibly swap out Curry with Green.

FTR, I'm on the fence on whether I would rather see Curry or Green in the deal. I know Curry is the better shooter. But Green is the more WILLING shooter and that matters a lot in the playoffs. Curry is the better regular season player but I think Green is the better playoff performer.

 

[shopson67]

I was calling it a failure from the jump. It’s a non-fit and the team has massive holes when it comes to the 5 position, rebounding, and defense.

5 position isn't an issue if AD truly plays that position. Dwight is fine as a backup. Problem is, AD isn't consistently a big enough part of the offense, whether due to others getting him the ball or a lack of drive by himself. I really don't understand what they're doing, and a coaching change seems necessary if they can't get at least get consistent effort night to night.

All that said, I wish Nunn was playing so we could at least see what he could provide. I would be fine with Nunn/Reaves/THT manning the point if they could move Russ.

 

[shopson67]

Sure. It's possible. Or maybe not. I know you view Harris as one of the worst contracts in basketball but it really isn't. He's overpaid for sure. But he's a productive player that any team would love to have, salary notwithstanding. The Sixers didn't give up 2 1sts to move Horford who was MUCH more problematic as a player than Harris is.

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

 

[fightinfunbags]

I think both Marks and Morey also have to appear like they were in control of the situation. People forget how much personal pride and image matter in these deals.

I am 70% confident a deal gets done today. And if I had to guess it will be Simmons/Curry/1st round pick. Possibly swap out Curry with Green.

FTR, I'm on the fence on whether I would rather see Curry or Green in the deal. I know Curry is the better shooter. But Green is the more WILLING shooter and that matters a lot in the playoffs. Curry is the better regular season player but I think Green is the better playoff performer.

Disagree when you start to invoke playoffs. Seth takes his game to another level in the playoffs and he’s without a doubt the better shooter. He averaged 18 in last year’s playoffs. If I’m Morey, I’m holding on to Curry Thybulle Maxey. If that’s not possible I kick the can down the road until the summer. Simmons alone makes Nets a championship contender. Adding Curry to make up for Joe Harris being injured makes them the league favorite in my eyes regardless of seeding.

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[fightinfunbags]

5 position isn't an issue if AD truly plays that position. Dwight is fine as a backup. Problem is, AD isn't consistently a big enough part of the offense, whether due to others getting him the ball or a lack of drive by himself. I really don't understand what they're doing, and a coaching change seems necessary if they can't get at least get consistent effort night to night.

All that said, I wish Nunn was playing so we could at least see what he could provide. I would be fine with Nunn/Reaves/THT manning the point if they could move Russ.

Oh sorry man. I was talking Nets.

 

[flyerhawk]

Horford was a better player but a worse fit in Philly.

Hell al is still better

You're high as a kite. Horford is a role player and has been since he left Boston.

 

[fightinfunbags]

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

Do you mind kicking in Magic Johnson’s AIDS and the plate tectonics to create a permanent threat of a devastating earthquake to complete this deal?

 

[thunderc]

Nets had a better situation, had their first 2 start the roster, then add a guy that forced himself out. Lakers had their first two, then felt they had to take the only guy left and available to them as their third.

Of course, the mental fatigue of dealing with Kyrie and the quitter Harden evens that out quickly.

Yes, everyone needs to quit being afraid of competing. That way it actually means something when you win.

 

[shopson67]

Oh sorry man. I was talking Nets.

Tried to trace it back, but the source mentioned both teams lol.

 

[shopson67]

Do you mind kicking in Magic Johnson’s AIDS and the plate tectonics to create a permanent threat of a devastating earthquake to complete this deal?

You want Westbrook?

 

[fightinfunbags]

You want Westbrook?

I would rather get the AIDS and the earthquakes.

 

[jontaejones]

Yes, everyone needs to quit being afraid of competing. That way it actually means something when you win.

Oh you mean actually building a team through the draft so fans can grow with the losses and wins as opposed to just buying the three best players you can and spawning a legion of bandwagon fans...

That said, now I actually hope they somehow get it together and win. It would be funny.

 

[The Q]

Yes, everyone needs to quit being afraid of competing. That way it actually means something when you win.

Oh you mean actually building a team through the draft so fans can grow with the losses and wins as opposed to just buying the three best players you can and spawning a legion of bandwagon fans...

Part of it is these guys trying to insulate themselves from bad front offices

It’s a lot easier to not screw things up when your stats pair together

They’re also less likely to run away

 

[jontaejones]

Part of it is these guys trying to insulate themselves from bad front offices

It’s a lot easier to not screw things up when your stats pair together

They’re also less likely to run away

I don't think that's the case with the Nets.

It's pretty clear they can win, even without Kyrie.

It's just such a circus, it reminds me of how a corporate office would be if entirely comprised of 20 something women...

I mean, how can you not root for the Nets, right?

 

[The Q]

I don't think that's the case with the Nets.

It's pretty clear they can win, even without Kyrie.

It's just such a circus, it reminds me of how a corporate office would be if entirely comprised of 20 something women...

I mean, how can you not root for the Nets, right?

I mean it started that way with kd and kyrie agreeing to team up there

Partially because the nets started drafting well with levert and Allen and finding guys like Harris and dinwidide off the scrap heap

 

[jontaejones]

I mean it started that way with kd and kyrie agreeing to team up there

Partially because the nets started drafting well with levert and Allen and finding guys like Harris and dinwidide off the scrap heap

In retrospect, it's pretty clear that KD and Kyrie wouldn't have been enough. Even without being a nutcase and not getting shots when you're making a million dollars a week.

But KD and Harden would be enough, and the pieces don't matter as much as having KD and Harden on the floor.

 

[Shanemansj13]

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In retrospect, it's pretty clear that KD and Kyrie wouldn't have been enough. Even without being a nutcase and not getting shots when you're making a million dollars a week.

But KD and Harden would be enough, and the pieces don't matter as much as having KD and Harden on the floor.

No Harden - All the pieces they traded would have held up better with no Kyrie and/or KD. The thing is they likely still could have gotten guys like Mills and Griffin. So we are talking about LeVert, Allen and Dinwiddie but they still have the guys like Claxton, Brown and Thomas. Traded half their team for Harden and it was a bad mode. They would likely have a better record.

 

[jontaejones]

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No Harden - All the pieces they traded would have held up better with no Kyrie and/or KD. The thing is they likely still could have gotten guys like Mills and Griffin. So we are talking about LeVert, Allen and Dinwiddie but they still have the guys like Claxton, Brown and Thomas. Traded half their team for Harden and it was a bad mode. They would likely have a better record.

It's impossible to say how it would have worked with Durant and a slew of role players, but in today's NBA, that team can win 'something'.

But it's clear Durant needs to be there for that team to win anything.

I actually don't mind Simmons, because it's just kind of entertainment value right now.

I think a team with Simmons and Durant might be able to make the finals, but not win.