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Which 5 would you vote to get in the HOF today?

  • Miguel Cabrera

  • Albert Pujols

  • Robinson Cano

  • Mike Trout

  • Yadier Molina

  • Buster Posey

  • Justin Verlander

  • Zack Greinke

  • Madison Bumgarner

  • Clayton Kershaw

  • CC Sabathia

  • Max Scherzer


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DragonfromTO

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You know which HoFer I haven't seen mentioned at all in the "HoF with only 10 seasons" talk? Ralph Kiner. Trout's much better, obviously.

edit: shit, Cedrique just did!
 

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You know which HoFer I haven't seen mentioned at all in the "HoF with only 10 seasons" talk? Ralph Kiner. Trout's much better, obviously.

edit: shit, Cedrique just did!

Thurman Munson played 9 full seasons, and parts of two others, and isn't in, which is pretty surprising to me.
 

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Thurman Munson played 9 full seasons, and parts of two others, and isn't in, which is pretty surprising to me.
Maybe it was bad timing. They put him on the ballot after 2 years and it seems like there was a backlog of good players moving up in the voting at that time. It is interesting how the voting works. I'm assuming most years it's most of the same guys voting as the previous year but aside from the first ballot HOFers you see a lot of guys get around 35% their first year then that number slowly increases each year until they hit 75%. I guess some voters just rank their top 5 or 10 eligible players every year and that changes based on who is on the ballot.


Then again, who knows what some of these voters are thinking. The voting started in 1936 so I know there were a lot of players to choose from on that first ballot but who is leaving off Cobb and Ruth? and Cy Young didn't even make it on that ballot. I mean, they invented a stat called the Win, and he won 511 games. What am I missing?
 
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Maybe it was bad timing. They put him on the ballot after 2 years and it seems like there was a backlog of good players moving up in the voting at that time. It is interesting how the voting works. I'm assuming most years it's most of the same guys voting as the previous year but aside from the first ballot HOFers you see a lot of guys get around 35% their first year then that number slowly increases each year until they hit 75%. I guess some voters just rank their top 5 or 10 eligible players every year and that changes based on who is on the ballot.


Then again, who knows what some of these voters are thinking. The voting started in 1936 so I know there were a lot of players to choose from on that first ballot but who is leaving off Cobb and Ruth? and Cy Young didn't even make it on that ballot. I mean, they invented a stat called the Win, and he won 511 games. What am I missing?

Well of course there were only 10 names allowed per ballot and while Young didn't make it he was still a top 10 guy, finishing 8th in voting and 3rd among pitchers. It doesn't seem completely insane to me that someone included a player like Grover Cleveland Alexander or Lou Gehrig at the expense of Cy Young in their 10 even if I might disagree. And it's just tough getting 3 out of 4 people to agree about anything.
 

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Well of course there were only 10 names allowed per ballot and while Young didn't make it he was still a top 10 guy, finishing 8th in voting and 3rd among pitchers. It doesn't seem completely insane to me that someone included a player like Grover Cleveland Alexander or Lou Gehrig at the expense of Cy Young in their 10 even if I might disagree. And it's just tough getting 3 out of 4 people to agree about anything.
Good point. I guess that is what I was missing
 

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Nolan Arenado will have the same uphill battle as Todd helton and Larry Walker... so he needs to be even BETTER to have a chance...

other players on their way

Mookie Betts
Jose Altuve

Arenado is also one of the best defensive 3rd baseman of all time, so while he has to battle the stigma of Coors he has an advantage that Helton or Walker never had.

I also think he takes his opt out in 2022 and we get to see him in a less hitter friendly park for 7 or so years, which will also help with the Coors stigma.


Also, if Larry Walker does not get in that is a true shame.
 

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You know which HoFer I haven't seen mentioned at all in the "HoF with only 10 seasons" talk? Ralph Kiner. Trout's much better, obviously.

edit: shit, Cedrique just did!
kiner was an interesting case and a good comparison. all he did was lead the league in HR his first 7 seasons, which is astounding on its own. how does someone hit 54 HR and under 20 doubles?
 

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kiner was an interesting case and a good comparison. all he did was lead the league in HR his first 7 seasons, which is astounding on its own. how does someone hit 54 HR and under 20 doubles?

it's pretty crazy. Thome once hit 52 home runs and 19 doubles in 2002 (and finished with a 197 OPS+)

McGwire had some pretty crazy double-home run ratios (21:70 in 1998, 21:65 in 1999, 8:32 in 2000, 4:29 in 2001).
 

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Frank Howard was 2 home runs shy in 1969 of <20 doubles and 50+ home runs (17 doubles, 48 home runs)
 

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it's pretty crazy. Thome once hit 52 home runs and 19 doubles in 2002 (and finished with a 197 OPS+)

McGwire had some pretty crazy double-home run ratios (21:70 in 1998, 21:65 in 1999, 8:32 in 2000, 4:29 in 2001).
i think a lot of macs stuff was he was just old by then, not legging out doubles. kiner was in his prime doing that. same goes for thome. i think age plays a factor.
 

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i think a lot of macs stuff was he was just old by then, not legging out doubles. kiner was in his prime doing that. same goes for thome. i think age plays a factor.

agreed, I think speed is the driving factor in that. Look at the link above, none of those guys were known for their running prowess. Look at Hank Aaron's last few seasons.
 

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agreed, I think speed is the driving factor in that.
then i look at macs career...never a burner anyway. career high 28 doubles. guys do that by the break.
 

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Killebrew's another guy who hit a fuck ton of home runs and not very many doubles.
 

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i think a lot of macs stuff was he was just old by then, not legging out doubles. kiner was in his prime doing that. same goes for thome. i think age plays a factor.

McGwire had 12 career stolen bases. Fuck, Adam Dunn once stole 19 in a season (granted he got caught 9 times). Yadier Molina stole 12 in a season. This guy:

 

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David Ortiz led the AL in doubles in 2016... at 40.
 

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Killebrew's another guy who hit a fuck ton of home runs and not very many doubles.
blame that on his stadium. not a doubles kinda park. btw, did you know the mlb logo is modeled after killibrew?

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