DragonfromTO
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You know which HoFer I haven't seen mentioned at all in the "HoF with only 10 seasons" talk? Ralph Kiner. Trout's much better, obviously.
edit: shit, Cedrique just did!
edit: shit, Cedrique just did!
You know which HoFer I haven't seen mentioned at all in the "HoF with only 10 seasons" talk? Ralph Kiner. Trout's much better, obviously.
edit: shit, Cedrique just did!
Maybe it was bad timing. They put him on the ballot after 2 years and it seems like there was a backlog of good players moving up in the voting at that time. It is interesting how the voting works. I'm assuming most years it's most of the same guys voting as the previous year but aside from the first ballot HOFers you see a lot of guys get around 35% their first year then that number slowly increases each year until they hit 75%. I guess some voters just rank their top 5 or 10 eligible players every year and that changes based on who is on the ballot.Thurman Munson played 9 full seasons, and parts of two others, and isn't in, which is pretty surprising to me.
Maybe it was bad timing. They put him on the ballot after 2 years and it seems like there was a backlog of good players moving up in the voting at that time. It is interesting how the voting works. I'm assuming most years it's most of the same guys voting as the previous year but aside from the first ballot HOFers you see a lot of guys get around 35% their first year then that number slowly increases each year until they hit 75%. I guess some voters just rank their top 5 or 10 eligible players every year and that changes based on who is on the ballot.
Then again, who knows what some of these voters are thinking. The voting started in 1936 so I know there were a lot of players to choose from on that first ballot but who is leaving off Cobb and Ruth? and Cy Young didn't even make it on that ballot. I mean, they invented a stat called the Win, and he won 511 games. What am I missing?
Good point. I guess that is what I was missingWell of course there were only 10 names allowed per ballot and while Young didn't make it he was still a top 10 guy, finishing 8th in voting and 3rd among pitchers. It doesn't seem completely insane to me that someone included a player like Grover Cleveland Alexander or Lou Gehrig at the expense of Cy Young in their 10 even if I might disagree. And it's just tough getting 3 out of 4 people to agree about anything.
Nolan Arenado will have the same uphill battle as Todd helton and Larry Walker... so he needs to be even BETTER to have a chance...
other players on their way
Mookie Betts
Jose Altuve
kiner was an interesting case and a good comparison. all he did was lead the league in HR his first 7 seasons, which is astounding on its own. how does someone hit 54 HR and under 20 doubles?You know which HoFer I haven't seen mentioned at all in the "HoF with only 10 seasons" talk? Ralph Kiner. Trout's much better, obviously.
edit: shit, Cedrique just did!
kiner was an interesting case and a good comparison. all he did was lead the league in HR his first 7 seasons, which is astounding on its own. how does someone hit 54 HR and under 20 doubles?
i think a lot of macs stuff was he was just old by then, not legging out doubles. kiner was in his prime doing that. same goes for thome. i think age plays a factor.it's pretty crazy. Thome once hit 52 home runs and 19 doubles in 2002 (and finished with a 197 OPS+)
McGwire had some pretty crazy double-home run ratios (21:70 in 1998, 21:65 in 1999, 8:32 in 2000, 4:29 in 2001).
i think a lot of macs stuff was he was just old by then, not legging out doubles. kiner was in his prime doing that. same goes for thome. i think age plays a factor.
then i look at macs career...never a burner anyway. career high 28 doubles. guys do that by the break.agreed, I think speed is the driving factor in that.
i think a lot of macs stuff was he was just old by then, not legging out doubles. kiner was in his prime doing that. same goes for thome. i think age plays a factor.
blame that on his stadium. not a doubles kinda park. btw, did you know the mlb logo is modeled after killibrew?Killebrew's another guy who hit a fuck ton of home runs and not very many doubles.
thats fenway tho. how many at home vs road?David Ortiz led the AL in doubles in 2016... at 40.
that'll do it. fenways doubles are always exaggerated. see nomar and dusty 2 sacks.34-14. lmao