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[Rock Strongo]

its funny, i looked up nomars 2002...29 home/27 road doubles. that was a legit year.

dusty in 2008 tho?

35 home
19 road

lol

 

[navamind]

its funny, i looked up nomars 2002...29 home/27 road doubles. that was a legit year.

dusty in 2008 tho?

35 home
19 road

lol

82 more doubles at home than on the road. Career BABIP of .331 at Fenway versus .298 on the road.

 

[Rock Strongo]

82 more doubles at home than on the road. Career BABIP of .331 at Fenway versus .298 on the road.

some guys clearly benefit from fenway. dusty. jim rice. ortiz (for doubles. its funny, he hit more road HR than home for his career).

 

[Cedrique]

kiner was an interesting case and a good comparison. all he did was lead the league in HR his first 7 seasons, which is astounding on its own. how does someone hit 54 HR and under 20 doubles?

Forbes Field was no joke either. Maybe he was just so slow they played him really deep.

 

[StanMarsh51]

some guys clearly benefit from fenway. dusty. jim rice. ortiz (for doubles. its funny, he hit more road HR than home for his career).

Don't tell that to @Rex Racer, who's adamant that Fenway hurt Rice yet can't explain why Rice hit so much worse on the road...

 

[Rex Racer]

Don't tell that to @Rex Racer, who's adamant that Fenway hurt Rice yet can't explain why Rice hit so much worse on the road...

I'll just assume that it sucks to be an ignorant 3rd world pud like you. You know nothing about baseball or Jim Rice or Fenway Park which is why you continue to post the stupidest fucking comments imaginable.

Tell us again how your midget ass played the skill positions on your high school football team. That story is one of my favorites.

 

[Rex Racer]

82 more doubles at home than on the road. Career BABIP of .331 at Fenway versus .298 on the road.

Fucking derp.

Rice was a line drive hitter and the wall ate up a bunch of hits that would have cleared the fences in most parks.

Why am I wasting my time debating this shit with someone who has never been to Fenway Park or watched Jim Rice play?

 

[Rex Racer]

some guys clearly benefit from fenway. dusty. jim rice. ortiz (for doubles. its funny, he hit more road HR than home for his career).

Stay in your lane, Scooter.

 

[Rex Racer]

its funny, i looked up nomars 2002...29 home/27 road doubles. that was a legit year.

Yeah, legit juiced out of his mind

 

[navamind]

Fucking derp.

Rice was a line drive hitter and the wall ate up a bunch of hits that would have cleared the fences in most parks.

Why am I wasting my time debating this shit with someone who has never been to Fenway Park or watched Jim Rice play?

I didn't say anything about Rice you dolt. Keep your stupidity confined to the politics board.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Fucking derp.

Rice was a line drive hitter and the wall ate up a bunch of hits that would have cleared the fences in most parks.

Why am I wasting my time debating this shit with someone who has never been to Fenway Park or watched Jim Rice play?

That description sounds like it would negatively effect his SLG (Isolated Power, more specifically) but have little to no effect on his BA. When I look at Rice's career home/road splits I don't see that, I see a BA that is 43 points higher at Fenway and an Isolated Power that is also higher at Fenway by 44 points.

Basically, turning the "extra" doubles into HRs would give Rice an even larger 249/174 home/away HR split which would then need to be explained somehow.

 

[nynasty]

Dwight Evans >>>>>>> Jim Rice

 

[StanMarsh51]

I'll just assume that it sucks to be an ignorant 3rd world pud like you. You know nothing about baseball or Jim Rice or Fenway Park which is why you continue to post the stupidest fucking comments imaginable.

Tell us again how your midget ass played the skill positions on your high school football team. That story is one of my favorites.

Huh? Are you senile?

 

[navamind]

Can Verlander get to 300? He's at 224 now and while he is 36, his last two seasons are some of the best of his career. He's had two of the best strikeout rates of his career over the last two seasons as well, so I don't think there's any signs of him slowing down at this point. He also has one of the best offenses in the league behind him and he's received 41 wins in just 72 starts as an Astro, and they should remain very good for a while.

I don't think anyone else is going to be threatening 300 for a while. My guess is he falls short around 270.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Can Verlander get to 300? He's at 224 now and while he is 36, his last two seasons are some of the best of his career. He's had two of the best strikeout rates of his career over the last two seasons as well, so I don't think there's any signs of him slowing down at this point. He also has one of the best offenses in the league behind him and he's received 41 wins in just 72 starts as an Astro, and they should remain very good for a while.

I don't think anyone else is going to be threatening 300 for a while. My guess is he falls short around 270.

he is a lot like Clemens in that his career looked like it was over or at least on its way down, then he goes to Houston to get saved by the OLD MAN AIR... and then has some of his best seasons as old man river...

 

[broncosmitty]

Can Verlander get to 300? He's at 224 now and while he is 36, his last two seasons are some of the best of his career. He's had two of the best strikeout rates of his career over the last two seasons as well, so I don't think there's any signs of him slowing down at this point. He also has one of the best offenses in the league behind him and he's received 41 wins in just 72 starts as an Astro, and they should remain very good for a while.

I don't think anyone else is going to be threatening 300 for a while. My guess is he falls short around 270.

Not sure Id take the over at 270. 260 I would. He'll be the active leader for awhile, can't see anyone catching him before he retires.

Would be surprised if he gets to 300, that's most likely 5 full seasons to get there. Good odds he's pitching for a contender most of the time though. Maybe I'd take the over at 270..... yeah, wth, mark me down for 276.

Solid chance he finishes 5th in Ks, catchin Bert. That category I could see someone catching JV as active leader. Be interesting to see how much the Top Ten shakes up over the next decade or so. Even if Ks dropped back to more normalish levels there are some guys with a shot for historical numbers.


Semi related question: How do JV and Cole finished behind Mike Minor in WAR? Don't know who will, or should win tCYA, but it's one of those two. And then prolly not Mike Minor at third on many ballots. How does that happen?

Kinda feel Houston should have 3 of the top six in MVP. The leading franchise in HOF talent right now. Even if I always discredit Greinke for one reason or another.

 

[broncosmitty]

he is a lot like Clemens in that his career looked like it was over or at least on its way down, then he goes to Houston to get saved by the OLD MAN AIR... and then has some of his best seasons as old man river...

This Houston version is honestly his peak. He wasn't at this level for this long in Detroit. He was really good for all but two seasons, but only great for one.

How/where would you put his range for JAWS? I think he could reset his peak with another high end season in 2020. Nothing close to the last two being necessary.

 

[Cedrique]

Not sure Id take the over at 270. 260 I would. He'll be the active leader for awhile, can't see anyone catching him before he retires.

Would be surprised if he gets to 300, that's most likely 5 full seasons to get there. Good odds he's pitching for a contender most of the time though. Maybe I'd take the over at 270..... yeah, wth, mark me down for 276.

Solid chance he finishes 5th in Ks, catchin Bert. That category I could see someone catching JV as active leader. Be interesting to see how much the Top Ten shakes up over the next decade or so. Even if Ks dropped back to more normalish levels there are some guys with a shot for historical numbers.


Semi related question: How do JV and Cole finished behind Mike Minor in WAR? Don't know who will, or should win tCYA, but it's one of those two. And then prolly not Mike Minor at third on many ballots. How does that happen?

Kinda feel Houston should have 3 of the top six in MVP. The leading franchise in HOF talent right now. Even if I always discredit Greinke for one reason or another.

Yeah, that is strange. Maybe it has something to do with the ballpark? When it gets to be mid 90's to 100 degrees the ball just flies out of the park in Texas. Maybe WAR takes that into account. The other weird thing is Minor and Lance Lynn both had career years yet the Rangers still finished below .500.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Not sure Id take the over at 270. 260 I would. He'll be the active leader for awhile, can't see anyone catching him before he retires.

Would be surprised if he gets to 300, that's most likely 5 full seasons to get there. Good odds he's pitching for a contender most of the time though. Maybe I'd take the over at 270..... yeah, wth, mark me down for 276.

Solid chance he finishes 5th in Ks, catchin Bert. That category I could see someone catching JV as active leader. Be interesting to see how much the Top Ten shakes up over the next decade or so. Even if Ks dropped back to more normalish levels there are some guys with a shot for historical numbers.


Semi related question: How do JV and Cole finished behind Mike Minor in WAR? Don't know who will, or should win tCYA, but it's one of those two. And then prolly not Mike Minor at third on many ballots. How does that happen?

Kinda feel Houston should have 3 of the top six in MVP. The leading franchise in HOF talent right now. Even if I always discredit Greinke for one reason or another.

Minor settles comfortably behind both of them in the Fangraphs version of the stat so I would think the answer to that question can probably be figured out (or at least guessed with some confidence) with a little digging

WAR Comparison Chart | Baseball-Reference.com

fWAR, rWAR, and WARP | Sabermetrics Library

 

[MilkSpiller22]

This Houston version is honestly his peak. He wasn't at this level for this long in Detroit. He was really good for all but two seasons, but only great for one.

How/where would you put his range for JAWS? I think he could reset his peak with another high end season in 2020. Nothing close to the last two being necessary.

I know. You and some other tiger fans would scold me for not thinking verlander was a hof. Well, clearly my opinions have changed. Now he is pretty clearly one.