Armon Binns Will Win Starting Job

[BigBlueNation111]

They will keep 4 RB's as Scott is the primaryback-up, Leonard 3rd down specialist, and Peerman on special teams.

The fact of the matter is, Shipley is on the outside looking in if they plan on keeping 6 WR. While I think we all agree when healthy, he's a solid WR, he's not healthy and while he's still playing catch-up physically, the rest of the group is pulling away and will be more than ready to hit the ground running at the open of the season.

If I had to bet:

Green
Tate
Binns
Sanu
Jones
Hawkins

Whalen and Shipley, tough to lose, but those 6 are currently healthy, and are showing more than either of Whalen or Shipley, and I suspect that will also be the case as pre-season moves along.

I'd say after the pre-season we'll get all our answers we need.

 

[flamingrey]

Maybe they should just put Shipley on IR this year. If he's not 100% his roster spot will take up somebody that can contribute more. Whatever happens, I want to see Marvin Jones stick to the roster. I think he can be a very good WR in time.

I'm pretty that's against the rules. Shipley is healthy and cleared to play, he can't just be stashed on IR.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Isn't it that you can be PUP'ed but have to miss the first 6 games? Had he not practiced and been PUP'ed, then he could've been brought back at any time.

That's the way I understood it.

Once you practice you can't be placed on the PUP list. No way around it.


If they wanted to keep him around, they should have not allowed him to practice at all. Remember the Antonio Bryant situation? One practice and they had to cut him because they couldn't PUP him after they found out he wasn't going to be ready.

Sucks, but with the way things are looking (as of now) I just don't see Shipley making this team.

They could IR him, but chances are, Shipley would ask for his release and then they would reach an "injury settlement" allowing Shipley to be signed by any other team to play.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I figured the real reason we signed Marvin Jones is because he was named after Marvin Lewis (Marvin Lewis Jones).

We're the Bengals and we do dumb things like that.... yeah

 

[Servo]

I'm pretty that's against the rules. Shipley is healthy and cleared to play, he can't just be stashed on IR.

Phantom injury. Dx him with a deep bone bruise or soemthing. There might be some legit injuries in pre season that uncomplicate things. As far as the guys in contention, I really dont like Tate. I know that he is #2 on the depth chart right now, but just not buying the hype from training camp. Rather see Hawkins take over punt returns and any of the other WR's get playing time. We'll see how he looks in the preseason.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Phantom injury. Dx him with a deep bone bruise or soemthing. There might be some legit injuries in pre season that uncomplicate things. As far as the guys in contention, I really dont like Tate. I know that he is #2 on the depth chart right now, but just not buying the hype from training camp. Rather see Hawkins take over punt returns and any of the other WR's get playing time. We'll see how he looks in the preseason.

I thought about the phantom injury, but I don't think the Bengals would do that. Most players want out of this town (I think...), they don't want an excuse to stay.

 

[flamingrey]

Phantom injury. Dx him with a deep bone bruise or soemthing. There might be some legit injuries in pre season that uncomplicate things. As far as the guys in contention, I really dont like Tate. I know that he is #2 on the depth chart right now, but just not buying the hype from training camp. Rather see Hawkins take over punt returns and any of the other WR's get playing time. We'll see how he looks in the preseason.

The AFCNorth blog guy on ESPN stated that the Bengals are either going to keep Hawkins or Shipley, and right now Hawkins has the upperhand.

He also mentioned Hawkins has been practicing punt/kick returns.

 

[NCBengal]

If they cut Hawkins to keep Shipley, I am done with this team. I will burn my AJ Green jersey and pray every Sunday they get the shit kicked out of them. I would keep Hawkins over Tate!

 

[Cincyfan78]

Phantom injury. Dx him with a deep bone bruise or soemthing. There might be some legit injuries in pre season that uncomplicate things. As far as the guys in contention, I really dont like Tate. I know that he is #2 on the depth chart right now, but just not buying the hype from training camp. Rather see Hawkins take over punt returns and any of the other WR's get playing time. We'll see how he looks in the preseason.

Shipley would have to agree to this. If he thinks he's healthy and can help another team, he'll ask for (and receive) and injury settlement and be free to sign with another team.

Sucks, because when healthy, he's a solid WR, but he's not going to be ready to go 100% until probably the 2nd or 3rd pre-season game. In the mean-time, all the other WR's are going to be putting a lot of distance between themselves and shipely.

 

[DanBengalfan]

he's better than Andre Caldwell, and AC is like the #3 or 4 receiver in Denver.

He'll gladly find another team.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Soemtimes you have to think about the future of the organization and not just immediate impact. Hopefully Marvin and company do that and they decide to keep both Hawk and Ship.

Shipley had 100+ catches at Texas his senior year, he came into our offense with Johnson, Owens and Gresham and still caught 50+ balls.

I suppose that if Green is to get hurt and not be ready next year by the first game of the season, we better cut him too if Sanu and Jones blow up to become big time WR's this year.

I am not saying Shipley is Green, but he was productive, more productive his rookie season than Hawkins was, and he was a good punt returner also before they wanted to limit injury and keep him as the slot guy. Shipley has a knack of gettig open, alot. Just have to wait for him to heal all the way, same as Hall.

Too much talent to just say, see ya, you are not quite 100% from your injury last year, so we need to cut you in favor or a WR core that is so young and raw and has so little experience..because we need a full roster from day 1, we can't wait to have you back 100% by week 3.

Oneof those WR's on the roster will have to inactive anyways, may as well make Shipley inactive for the first two to 3 weeks while he regains strength and speed.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Soemtimes you have to think about the future of the organization and not just immediate impact. Hopefully Marvin and company do that and they decide to keep both Hawk and Ship.

Shipley had 100+ catches at Texas his senior year, he came into our offense with Johnson, Owens and Gresham and still caught 50+ balls.

I suppose that if Green is to get hurt and not be ready next year by the first game of the season, we better cut him too if Sanu and Jones blow up to become big time WR's this year.

I am not saying Shipley is Green, but he was productive, more productive his rookie season than Hawkins was, and he was a good punt returner also before they wanted to limit injury and keep him as the slot guy. Shipley has a knack of gettig open, alot. Just have to wait for him to heal all the way, same as Hall.

Too much talent to just say, see ya, you are not quite 100% from your injury last year, so we need to cut you in favor or a WR core that is so young and raw and has so little experience..because we need a full roster from day 1, we can't wait to have you back 100% by week 3.

Oneof those WR's on the roster will have to inactive anyways, may as well make Shipley inactive for the first two to 3 weeks while he regains strength and speed.

I'm not saying don't give Shipley a chance. I'm just saying that as you look to move forward, there are a lot of things you have to consider for, not just the present, but the future as well, that in my opinion don't bode well for Shipley.

You figure that of Hawkins and Shipley, only one will be kept. Hawkins plays special teams. Shipley does not. Hawkins does not have a history of knee injuries, Shipley does. Hawkins has been able to play most of last year, and all off-season to gain valuable experience that Shipley missed last-offseason because there was no real training camp, OTA's, etc. All of which Hawkins got to fully attend this year. Hawkins also got to develop a repot with Dalton as a trusty 3rd down option, Shipley's biggest strength, all of last year PLUS this off-season. Shipley has not.

As of right now, Hawkins is healthy and able to go 100%. Shipley is not.

I like Shipley. I think he's an NFL quality WR. I just think that the other 6 guys currently ahead of him are also NFL quality, aren't coming off a major injury, and will be more up to speed mentally, from a reps standpoint, and physically than Shipley will be.

But, things happen. Lot's of pre-season to play before decisions are made.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Soemtimes you have to think about the future of the organization and not just immediate impact. Hopefully Marvin and company do that and they decide to keep both Hawk and Ship.

Shipley had 100+ catches at Texas his senior year, he came into our offense with Johnson, Owens and Gresham and still caught 50+ balls.

I suppose that if Green is to get hurt and not be ready next year by the first game of the season, we better cut him too if Sanu and Jones blow up to become big time WR's this year.

I am not saying Shipley is Green, but he was productive, more productive his rookie season than Hawkins was, and he was a good punt returner also before they wanted to limit injury and keep him as the slot guy. Shipley has a knack of gettig open, alot. Just have to wait for him to heal all the way, same as Hall.

Too much talent to just say, see ya, you are not quite 100% from your injury last year, so we need to cut you in favor or a WR core that is so young and raw and has so little experience..because we need a full roster from day 1, we can't wait to have you back 100% by week 3.

Oneof those WR's on the roster will have to inactive anyways, may as well make Shipley inactive for the first two to 3 weeks while he regains strength and speed.

hey, I'd cut Binns and maybe whalen right away
I think what we're trying to figure out is what the Bengals would do.

 

[bengaldoug]

Apparently there is a new eight week injured reserve list? If so, that would be the obvious place to hide Shipley for the first half of the season, to give him a chance to get back to form......thoughts?

 

[flamingrey]

He would never go for it.

 

[cincygrad]

Soemtimes you have to think about the future of the organization and not just immediate impact. Hopefully Marvin and company do that and they decide to keep both Hawk and Ship.

Shipley had 100+ catches at Texas his senior year, he came into our offense with Johnson, Owens and Gresham and still caught 50+ balls.

I suppose that if Green is to get hurt and not be ready next year by the first game of the season, we better cut him too if Sanu and Jones blow up to become big time WR's this year.

I am not saying Shipley is Green, but he was productive, more productive his rookie season than Hawkins was, and he was a good punt returner also before they wanted to limit injury and keep him as the slot guy. Shipley has a knack of gettig open, alot. Just have to wait for him to heal all the way, same as Hall.

Too much talent to just say, see ya, you are not quite 100% from your injury last year, so we need to cut you in favor or a WR core that is so young and raw and has so little experience..because we need a full roster from day 1, we can't wait to have you back 100% by week 3.

Oneof those WR's on the roster will have to inactive anyways, may as well make Shipley inactive for the first two to 3 weeks while he regains strength and speed.

It's easy to say just keep them both, but it's not feasible. You have a 53 man roster with 45 of them available on game day. You get spots for PS, but you have to be eligible and not good enough to be signed to another team's full squad. The Bengals will likely keep both Marvin Jones and Sanu even if they aren't ready to fully contribute in their rookie years. Neither player would make it to the PS because they were high picks. If you keep two slot receivers (Shipley and Hawk), you'll have to cut somewhere else and that might compromise special teams and depth on defense. It just doesn't seem possible to keep both.

To be honest, I think Shipley might have more potential to have a better career as a receiver, but Hawkins might be more valuable as a complete player. It's a tough call, but I think you can only go with one.

 

[Servo]

I think it will come down to the following:

Hawkins
Shipley
Marvin Jones
Whalen

Pick 2.

Jones I'd for sure keep.
I think Hawkins has earned his way on the team but have a very difficult time cutting Shipley. In other words, I'm hedging on this one till after training camp.

 

[Cincyfan78]

In his version of 20 questions, Joe Reedy on twitter last night someone asked Reedy how tough it was going to be for Shipley to hold onto a roster spot and his response was "very". Also, he points out that outside of Green, Hawkins has had the best camp so far for a WR, and you are only keeping one of the two. Right now Hawkins is trending way up, and Shipley is trending down.

 

[Servo]

If it were me, I'd only keep 1 between Tate and Binns. Shipley is clearly still working his way back. Long term, he should be a very good slot reciever when he comes back all the way. Both Binns and Tate have never produced at WR. They're both off the scrap heap. You have two much better prospects coming up behind them (Sanu, Jones). Long term, the correct move would be to keep Shipley and get rid of one of those guys.

 

[Cincyfan78]

If it were me, I'd only keep 1 between Tate and Binns. Shipley is clearly still working his way back. Long term, he should be a very good slot reciever when he comes back all the way. Both Binns and Tate have never produced at WR. They're both off the scrap heap. You have two much better prospects coming up behind them (Sanu, Jones). Long term, the correct move would be to keep Shipley and get rid of one of those guys.

The problem is, Shipley offers very little versatility. The final spot seems to be coming down to Him and Hawkins, and Hawk has more experience in the offense, more experience with Dalton at QB, and plays special teams. Shipley has none of that PLUS working his way back from injury. Not to mention, Shipley has a history of knee problems.

Everyone can forget about Binns or Tate being cut. The coaching staff has done nothing but rave about Binns since last year, and Tate is currently #1 on the depth chart, also provides versatilty as a return guy. People also seem to forget that Tate had the 2nd most return yards for a punt returner, and was 12th in average. He was also 5th in kickoff return yards, though just 17th in average for kickoffs. He's not going anywhere, much to the dismay of many on this board.

You know Jones and Sanu are safe, and along with Green that's 5 WR's for 6 spots.

I know that I'm probably in the minority, and that's ok, but I think people seem to forget that the rapport that Shipley had was with Palmer in a completely different offense. He's not just behind because of his injury, but because another player who does the same things as him has stepped up and received more experience in the same role, and has more versatility. The issue is not going to be Shipley or Tate/ Shipley or Binns...it's going to be Shipley or Hawkins...and at this point, and looking into the future, it's clear that Hawkins has a HUGE edge/lead over Shipley for that 6th spot.