Ansah Prediction

[RobBase]

Explain to me how Ansah is stronger than Avril? Avril lifted 225 6 times more than Ansah 5 years ago. He now has 5 years of working out with NFL strength coaches, yet Ansah is stronger?!? Explain to me how that is possible?

They arm wrestled at the combine and Ziggy won easily.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Bench isn't a great metric for strength when a guy is as long as Ansah is. The guy has monkey arms which make his 21 at least as, but I'd say more impressive than Avril's 27. That is what makes him such a freak, not the speed, but the speed size, length combination.

I'll let this post (which you apparently ignored) speak as to how Ansah is stronger than Avril. You can post that single combine bench stat all you want, but all that does is expose your limited understanding of what "strength" is, or isn't...

 

[RobBase]

Monkey arms? How has my Bigfoot nickname not taken off yet but you guys see "monkey arms" and go "ya monkey arms!" ?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I'll answer for Swarm on this one- the inconsistencies are on a game-by-game basis. Those cumulative stats you posted are indeed impressive, but too many came in single games against weaker opponents. Far too often Cliff would have virtually no impact, especially in big games it seemed.

His overall production was very good, and on a team like Seattle where he can be a role player he'll do well, especially when they got him at the right price. However, on a team like ours, where he was one of our best defensive players, we simply needed a DE who could consistently impact games, especially at the price he was seeking...

Who was the last DE the Lions have had that consistently impacted games? I'm just curious where the bar is set in the eyes of some fans on here.

And I decided to look at Avril's stats last year when he had 9.5 sacks. He had a sack against Minnesota, a sack in each game against GB, 2 sacks against Houston, a sack against Indy and a sack against Chicago. Those don't seem like the weaker teams. The only weaker team he had sacks against were Philly (he had 2) and STL in week 1.

 

[RobBase]

And I decided to look at Avril's stats last year

We know.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Monkey arms? How has my Bigfoot nickname not taken off yet but you guys see "monkey arms" and go "ya monkey arms!" ?

For my money I associate Ansah with Africa, and for me Bigfoot and Africa are not a match at all... That's just my $.02 though...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I'll let this post (which you apparently ignored) speak as to how Ansah is stronger than Avril. You can post that single combine bench stat all you want, but all that does is expose your limited understanding of what "strength" is, or isn't...

You are acting as if Cliff Avril is a little guy with short arms. He is 6'3". So guess what he is going to have? Long arms.

So I will say it yet again -- Explain to me how Ansah is stronger than Avril, even though he benched 225 lbs 21 times, while Avril put it up 27 times. And, oh yeah, Cliff Avril also has 5 years of working out with an NFL strength coach under his belt now too (or two years longer than Ansah has even played football)

If you want to say Ansah has the potential to be much stronger than Avril -- I could agree with that. To say that he is right now is non-sense.

 

[RobBase]

For my money I associate Ansah with Africa, and for me Bigfoot and Africa are not a match at all... That's just my $.02 though...

Hmm. That is a good point. I never thought of it like that.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Who was the last DE the Lions have had that consistently impacted games? I'm just curious where the bar is set in the eyes of some fans on here.

Why do you keep comparing him to other Lions DEs? In case you haven't noticed, we've sucked pretty damn bad for the last 20ish years. When we're (most of us, anyway, I can't speak for the whole board) talking about "elite" we're comparing him to the best DEs league-wide, not the best Lions DE for the last couple of decades.

Just because he's the best DE we've had since Porcher doesn't mean he's one of the best in the league. If anything it just goes to show how crappy our personel has been over that span...

 

[tpaulus_2]

You are acting as if Cliff Avril is a little guy with short arms. He is 6'3". So guess what he is going to have? Long arms.

So I will say it yet again -- Explain to me how Ansah is stronger than Avril, even though he benched 225 lbs 21 times, while Avril put it up 27 times. And, oh yeah, Cliff Avril also has 5 years of working out with an NFL strength coach under his belt now too (or two years longer than Ansah has even played football)

If you want to say Ansah has the potential to be much stronger than Avril -- I could agree with that. To say that he is right now is non-sense.

So you're assuming that arm-length is directly in proportion to height? Ansah has freakishly long arms for his height, not long arms because of his height. So right there your argument is shot all to shit. Cliff Avril does not have overly long arms just because he's 6'3", that's ridiculous. It turns out they measure arm length, and put so much stock into it, for a reason.

Nice to see you're still sticking with that bench press metric and nothing else though...

 

[Microwahevo]

If you want to say Ansah has the potential to be much stronger than Avril -- I could agree with that. To say that he is right now is non-sense.

Why does Cliff Avril automatically have to be stronger than Ansah just because he's had years in the NFL? Maybe, juuuuust maybe, a guy can be stronger based on the simple fact that, well, he's just fuggin stronger. And just bc Avril benched more than Ansah doesn't make him stronger, we would need more metrics than just that one.

And for the record, I couldn't care less who's stronger, doesn't make me like Avril more bc of that.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Why does Cliff Avril automatically have to be stronger than Ansah just because he's had years in the NFL? Maybe, juuuuust maybe, a guy can be stronger based on the simple fact that, well, he's just fuggin stronger. And just bc Avril benched more than Ansah doesn't make him stronger, we would need more metrics than just that one.

The fact Avril has had 5 years with an NFL strength coach just emphasizes the fact that Avril is stronger. Couple that with Avril lifting 225 more than Ansah 5 years ago and i'd think he would be a no-brainer who was stronger.

 

[Microwahevo]

I don't think it is a no-brainer. Bench is simply one metric. There are others that aren't used in the combine. Now if we went into the weight room to watch them both, we'd have our answer. Besides, some guys simply have natural strength and Ansah could have that. So five years in the NFL weight room and he'll be much much stronger than Avril, given the fact that he is actually stronger.

You could spend 5 years in an NFL weight room and probably wouldn't be stronger than Ansah. Weight rooms don't guarantee anything.

 

[tpaulus_2]

The fact Avril has had 5 years with an NFL strength coach just emphasizes the fact that Avril is stronger. Couple that with Avril lifting 225 more than Ansah 5 years ago and i'd think he would be a no-brainer who was stronger.

Haha, you and your "facts"... no wonder you think you're always right!

Something isn't automatically a "fact" just because you've decided it's true.

Your first sentence there is just laughable- Avril is stronger than Ansah because he's been in the NFL for 5 year? Well fuck, Jason Hanson must have been the strongest player in the league for the last 5 years then! See why that logic isn't exactly, well... logical?

Like Micro said (and you ignored, because his point thwarted yours, and you ignore all such posts), perhaps Ansah is stronger because he's just naturally stronger? He's just a bigger dude than Avril, so is it that inconceivable that he's naturally stronger?

RobBase was a personal trainer and a pretty huge dude, and I'm sure he can tell you that some people are just naturally stronger than others.

Also, just because Avril benched 225 more times than Ansah at a single event more than 5 years ago doesn't make him stronger. Do you even listen to yourself when you get going like this?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So you're assuming that arm-length is directly in proportion to height? Ansah has freakishly long arms for his height, not long arms because of his height. So right there your argument is shot all to shit. Cliff Avril does not have overly long arms just because he's 6'3", that's ridiculous. It turns out they measure arm length, and put so much stock into it, for a reason.

Nice to see you're still sticking with that bench press metric and nothing else though...

How about this then -- You tell me what else you have to base your reasoning on Ansah being stronger than Avril, since bench press isn't enough.

As I said -- I have no clue what Cliff Avril's wingspan is, but your wingspan is proportionate to your height. If your wingspan is less than your total inches of height, you have shorter arms. If your wingspan is more than your total inches of height, you have longer arms.

At 6'5" -- Ansah has the wing span of someone 6'9". So yes, he has a big wingspan. Can longer arms hurt your bench? Absolutely. I can say it didn't hurt Margus Hunt. He has a 6'10" wingspan and benched 225 38 times, so everyone is different.

What is Cliff Avril wingspan, since you seem to know. I couldn't find it anywhere.

 

[tpaulus_2]

As I said -- I have no clue what Cliff Avril's wingspan is, but your wingspan is proportionate to your height. If your wingspan is less than your total inches of height, you have shorter arms. If your wingspan is more than your total inches of height, you have longer arms.

So you have no idea what Avril's arm length is, yet, according to you just a little bit ago he has long arms? That seems just a bit fishy to me...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Haha, you and your "facts"... no wonder you think you're always right!

Something isn't automatically a "fact" just because you've decided it's true.

Your first sentence there is just laughable- Avril is stronger than Ansah because he's been in the NFL for 5 year? Well fuck, Jason Hanson must have been the strongest player in the league for the last 5 years then! See why that logic isn't exactly, well... logical?

Like Micro said (and you ignored, because his point thwarted yours, and you ignore all such posts), perhaps Ansah is stronger because he's just naturally stronger? He's just a bigger dude than Avril, so is it that inconceivable that he's naturally stronger?

RobBase was a personal trainer and a pretty huge dude, and I'm sure he can tell you that some people are just naturally stronger than others.

Also, just because Avril benched 225 more times than Ansah at a single event more than 5 years ago doesn't make him stronger. Do you even listen to yourself when you get going like this?

Then you tell me why Ansah is stronger than Avril, since you made the statement. Since bench press is the only exercise they are made to do at the combine for strength -- I'd be interested in hearing why you feel Ansah is stronger.

Out of curiousity -- Is Ansah also faster than Avril, even though he ran a 40 time slower, had a slow 10 yard split and a slower 3 cone drill?

As far as my comment about working out with an NFL strength coach or a strength coach, in general, Rob Base should have no problem verifying my comments since you said he worked as a personal trainer. If he has been a weight lifting program with the Lions for 5 years -- he is not only stronger than 5 years ago -- he is much stronger.

The Jason Hanson comment is just idiocy, as the kicker will be working out........................his legs, as upper body strength has nothing to do with being a kicker.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So you have no idea what Avril's arm length is, yet, according to you just a little bit ago he has long arms? That seems just a bit fishy to me...

Did your parents drop you on your head? I said Avril is 6'3", therefore he has long arms. It comes with the territory. If Avril's wingspan is in proportion with his body -- he had a 75" wingspan. Anything over that -- he has longer arms. Anything under that, he has shorter arms.

That is why they say Ansah has a long wingspan, because at 6'5", he has the wingspan of someone 6'9". See how that works -- at 6'5", he should have a wingspan of 77", but instead has a wingspan of 81".

 

[tpaulus_2]

It amuses me when grown men can't handle being disagreed with.

If I were in your shoes and arguing against several people, all of whom know their shit about football, I'd say to myself "hmm... maybe I'm missing something here?"

Not you though. Nope, you just hunker down in your belligerent bunker and keep digging your hole deeper and deeper.

It's ok to be wrong sometimes. You don't even have to necessarily admit it when you're wrong, although you could abandon the point you're trying so fruitlessly to defend...

 

[broncosmitty]

Cliff Avrils Blows!!!! Carry on.