Andy Weak Arm Andy Returned Last Night

[jwil007]

You do realize that when most QB's get pressured/hit they don't do well. What has always been the book on Brady? Hit him early, and he gets rattled. What's the book on Manning? Hit him early, and he doesn't do as well...this is not just related to Andy.

The Redzone sack did not matter. It was 3rd down, and an incompletion or a sack results in the same thing: Field Goal attempt. I could only agree with you if it knocked them out of FG range, but it didn't.

You don't have to be "great" to win a SB with a guy. He just has to be good, and get hot at the right time. Just look at Flaco.

Look Cincy you feel 1 way I feel another theyre called opinions...I dont care for the dude Cincy....I respect you believe in him I DONT! LOL He is a good QB HE WILL NEVER BE A GREAT QB! I pray for a GREAT QB 1 day for this franchise....and my mind wont change until he strings a 16 GAME SEASON of kick ass! havent seen that

 

[Cincyfan78]

Look Cincy you feel 1 way I feel another theyre called opinions...I dont care for the dude Cincy....I respect you believe in him I DONT! LOL He is a good QB HE WILL NEVER BE A GREAT QB! I pray for a GREAT QB 1 day for this franchise....and my mind wont change until he strings a 16 GAME SEASON of kick ass! havent seen that

Didn't disagree with you. He's good, not great.


You dont need a "great" QB to win the SB.

Personally, I think you hate on him because he's white.

 

[flamingrey]

You are spinning your wheels with him. He'd rather see the Bengals lose with Dalton sucking than see the Bengals win with Dalton doing well.

Sad, really.

This post is hilarious considering it's in response to the same person you were responding to in this less than 2 weeks ago:

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/3828391-post22.html

Pure comedy.

You have no semblance of rationality.

 

[NCBengal]

I am not 100% sold on him either but when your QB is struggling, catch the fucking ball when he does get it to you. Sanu had critical drops.

And look at Andy's stats on 3rd down? When was the last time we had a QB that was moving the chains on 3rd downs?

He sucked last night when we needed him to be the golden boy. But this team has to help him and so do the coaches.

 

[Cincyfan78]

This post is hilarious considering it's in response to the same person you were responding to in this less than 2 weeks ago:

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/3828391-post22.html

Pure comedy.

You have no semblance of rationality.

The the relation is???

You're nothing but a troll, have been nothing but a troll, and will be nothing but a troll on this board.

My point still stands...you'd rather see this team lose with Dalton sucking, just so you can beat your chest and say "I told you so", than have the Bengals win with him doing well because that would take admitting that you are wrong. Something you'll never be able to do on this board.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I am not 100% sold on him either but when your QB is struggling, catch the fucking ball when he does get it to you. Sanu had critical drops.

And look at Andy's stats on 3rd down? When was the last time we had a QB that was moving the chains on 3rd downs?

He sucked last night when we needed him to be the golden boy. But this team has to help him and so do the coaches.

It really was a true team loss. The Dolphins gashed the Bengals defense in the 1st half, and then Newman got toasted in OT, causing the PI penalty.

Dalton made some bad decisions/throws, and then on some of his best throws, the WR's had drops.

The OL played like shit most of the game.

Hard to pin anything on any one section of the team...there is blame enough to go around.

 

[flamingrey]

The the relation is???

You're nothing but a troll, have been nothing but a troll, and will be nothing but a troll on this board.

My point still stands...you'd rather see this team lose with Dalton sucking, just so you can beat your chest and say "I told you so", than have the Bengals win with him doing well because that would take admitting that you are wrong. Something you'll never be able to do on this board.

Your point still stands?

And which evidence did you use to corroborate this "point"?

As I said, your irrationality knows no bounds.

And anyone with even a little common sense could tell what the relation is.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Your point still stands?

And which evidence did you use to corroborate this "point"?

As I said, your irrationality knows no bounds.

And anyone with even a little common sense could tell what the relation is.

If you don't know how to read, then I can't help you.

 

[BKBroiler9000]

I'll saw Dalton make plenty of quality throws into tight coverage. Arm strength isn't the issue. Beating the dead horse here, but the issue is awareness in the pocket and failure to recognize pressure. The sack to end the game was the worst way to lose a game I've seen. That being said, if Sanu could catch a lick, we still win the game. Dalton blew nuts last night, but he sill had us in position to win.

 

[DanBengalfan]

what does the fox say?

 

[cincygrad]

 

[DanBengalfan]

 

[bengaldoug]

You are spinning your wheels with him. He'd rather see the Bengals lose with Dalton sucking than see the Bengals win with Dalton doing well.


Rey's just a hater, who I've gone a few rounds with before. Nothing new here.

Sad, really.

You know, a couple of weeks ago you may have thought the same of me. Criticism when justified is ok, and he didn't play very well yesterday. But praise is ok too when he deserves it, and he deserved it those last two weeks, doing some things we hadn't seen before. Even the best quarterbacks have bad days. He's in his third year, and he has shown signs this year he has the ability to play at a high level. Before this year he really hadn't shown that possibility. Now he just needs to show consistency at the higher level.

 

[Cincyfan78]

You know, a couple of weeks ago you may have thought the same of me. Criticism when justified is ok, and he didn't play very well yesterday. But praise is ok too when he deserves it, and he deserved it those last two weeks, doing some things we hadn't seen before. Even the best quarterbacks have bad days. He's in his third year, and he has shown signs this year he has the ability to play at a high level. Before this year he really hadn't shown that possibility. Now he just needs to show consistency at the higher level.

Agreed. But it was amazing that he was barely here at all during the solid stretch to offer any kind of "praise", but is here in a heart-beat to beat him down when things go wrong.

However, as poorly as the TEAM played, this was a TEAM loss in the truest sense. Dalton made some mistakes, and made some great throws. The WR's made some greatch catches, but drop a lot of balls. The OL, well...they pretty much sucked all game. While I agree Dalton's awareness in the pocket is not the best, the sack for a safety happened very quickly. Zeitler got beatend like a drum. Dalton didn't have much of a chance on that play. The defense sucked the entire 1st half, and really...didn't have to do much in the 2nd half because the offense was on the field for 13 minutes of the 3rd quarter.

Dalton is what he is. He's an average QB, who has to continue to learn and grown. He's not a great QB by any stretch, but even as "bad" as he played last night, with a little bit of help (namely a few more catches and a few less drops) the Bengals could have won that game.

 

[bengaldoug]

The PFF numbers absolutely support my position. He went from +2.9 to +5.7 to a -1.4. The 2 weeks prior he was a +0.6 and a -0.6. And before that a -3.0, -3.2, and a -1.9.
Maybe you think that -1.4 belongs with the spectacular games he had the last couple of weeks, but reality is that it fits in much closer to 5 weeks prior to that. I'm not buying the "keep the faith" based on a 2 really good games.

Those are the numbers.

Now for what we saw. I don't remember every bad throw down the field, but just read the game thread during the span from the 4th quarter to the end of the game. Every downfield throw he had was sailing well passed his receiver and at least three sailed out of bounds, including a fade into the endzone and on 2nd down prior to the safety.

The last 2 weeks he's had tremendous protection. Yesterday, albeit it was probably some of the worst all season, but he regressed. He took sacks when he could have thrown the ball away. The safety play was just horrible recognition of the pressure coming.

I just don't see what this "faith" is based off of.

Did you peruse the other players' numbers? Those of ASmith, Cook, Eifert, Gresham? That's what I meant when I said the numbers don't support your position. Those numbers had a lot to do with the offense's lack of success. Moreso than Dalton's -1.4 overall/-1.7 passing, I'd say. The line, as a team, had its worst passblocking day of the year at -4.8.....Miami was able to bring more pressure, by far, than anyone else had all season. Especially more inside pressure. Inside pressure will disrupt any quarterback, not just Andy.

 

[flamingrey]

Did you peruse the other players' numbers? Those of ASmith, Cook, Eifert, Gresham? That's what I meant when I said the numbers don't support your position. Those numbers had a lot to do with the offense's lack of success. Moreso than Dalton's -1.4 overall/-1.7 passing, I'd say. The line, as a team, had its worst passblocking day of the year at -4.8.....Miami was able to bring more pressure, by far, than anyone else had all season. Especially more inside pressure. Inside pressure will disrupt any quarterback, not just Andy.

When did we start talking about the offense's success overall? This thread is about Dandy. Every post I've made and responded to has been about Dandy. So if you can find anywhere I blamed Andy for the poor offensive output, feel free to show me.

And even the post to which you responded spoke only to Dandy's deficiencies - his individual attributes - rearing their ugly heads again.

 

[futballiscool]

I did avoid posting some especially last week. People were talking about the #1 seed

They've made the playoffs back to back seasons. They were 6-2 with quality wins against the Pats, Packers and the Lions. They won 5 straight and embarassed the a borderline playoff caliber Jets team.

I was the one talking about the 1 seed and I still see nothing unrealistic about that at the time it was said

 

[flamingrey]

They've made the playoffs back to back seasons. They were 6-2 with quality wins against the Pats, Packers and the Lions. They won 5 straight and embarassed the a borderline playoff caliber Jets team.

I was the one talking about the 1 seed and I still see nothing unrealistic about that at the time it was said

The team was also 4-2 with those quality wins against the Pats and Packers when people were ready to jump off a bridge. The hype over the last 2 weeks was based on unrealistic expectations of Dalton to maintain his current level of play - which is what had allowed the team to get to 6-2 with a quality win against Detroit and a blowout of the Jets. This does happen every year though, so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised.

 

[futballiscool]

The team was also 4-2 with those quality wins against the Pats and Packers when people were ready to jump off a bridge. The hype over the last 2 weeks was based on unrealistic expectations of Dalton to maintain his current level of play - which is what had allowed the team to get to 6-2 with a quality win against Detroit and a blowout of the Jets. This does happen every year though, so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised.

If people were expecting Dalton to keep up his level of play from the prior three game stretch they would have been talking about a dynasty instead of a 1st rd bye or playoff seeding.

It had as much to do with Marvin Jones looking like a legit number 2 option as anything else. Dalton doesn't need to become Drew Brees, but if he's ready to become the poor man's Matt Ryan that would have been good enough.

With the loss of Leon Hall and Geno Atkins in a 3 week stretch I don't see think it is anymore.

 

[flamingrey]

If people were expecting Dalton to keep up his level of play from the prior three game stretch they would have been talking about a dynasty instead of a 1st rd bye or playoff seeding.

It had as much to do with Marvin Jones looking like a legit number 2 option as anything else. Dalton doesn't need to become Drew Brees, but if he's ready to become the poor man's Matt Ryan that would have been good enough.

With the loss of Leon Hall and Geno Atkins in a 3 week stretch I don't see think it is anymore.

Without Dalton's play against Detroit, we lose that game. Pretty easily. Heck, if Stafford wasn't just missing his open receivers deep, we probably still lose that game.

Without Dalton's play against the Jets, we probably win 24-9 or something like that.

Not only do we not look impressive (and that's what it was) against Detroit, but the Jets game is a game we should've pulled out that we did. We're 6-2, but little about the play of this team would say we have even a remote chance to compete with Denver, KC, or Indianapolis for the #1 seed. Not in our wildest dreams.