ALL THINGS SUH

[Gulf of Brazil]

I am withholding judgement on whether we need to resign Suh. I need to see Austins new system first. Not sure how important a DT will be in it. It is possible we may not need a $100 mil DT to be successful on defense even with our CB issues.

JMO, If Suh were to have a new contract anywhere in the range of 75 mil (5 yr) or more, Mayhew and Lewand should be taken out on a charter boat trip, right here off the Gulf of Mexico, and be used as chum bait for the bull sharks. This team cannot afford a 3rd contract nearing 17 mil a year (gotta add in all that dead $$$ into his new contract, DR. Evil can confirm or deny this).

BTW, I expect Suh to wait and see what TB's DT Gerald McCoy receives in a new contract prior to him agreeing to a new one. It's strictly a financial decision for Suh and you cannot blame him one bit as it will be the last big contract he'll see. He also gets a lot of financial 411 from Warren Buffett.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

Why is it that the realist camp seems to take such hard-line stances and rely so much on an either-or argument all the time?

Holy shit, you have actually managed to plagiarize a statement I made some time ago and simply reverse the principals to try and make your case. It's you homers that wont allow for anyone to say anything that isnt positive. Want proof? Here are your words from two days ago.................

I honestly don't think all of our players are awesome, that's just something the "realist" segment likes to lump on anyone who has the audacity speak up when a player is being trashed without merit

Please show us all where Sims was being bashed without merit? You just gift wrapped for me demonstrative proof of precisely what I was saying. You got your panties all riled up because I suggested that cutting an average player and forwarding his cap savings into the 2015 year by the rollover option was apparently the equivalent of bashing a player without merit? My idea made sense financially and was very appropriate from a business and roster sense. And yet off you went on it.

Reality doesnt lie, especially when its right there in black and white. Like you said, realists do turn gray into black and white. That's done when you have the proof to back it up. Mine sits clear as can be in the sentences above.

Post for me in black and white the without merit bashing I did of Sims or simply admit you were wrong and that your statement about how the realists act is straight up bullshit.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

This team cannot afford a 3rd contract nearing 17 mil a year (gotta add in all that dead $$$ into his new contract, DR. Evil can confirm or deny this).

Confirmed

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Post for me in black and white the without merit bashing I did of Sims or simply admit you were wrong and that your statement about how the realists act is straight up bullshit.

You have a better chance of Suh signing an extension for a hometown discount than you do getting TP to admit he was wrong on something.

 

[gandydancer]

You have a better chance of Suh signing an extension for a hometown discount than you do getting TP to admit he was wrong on something.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Lol. Par for the course with this guy... however, if I were to engage his trolling it would be all my fault within the span of a few posts... oh well, I guess? There's one in every crowd, they say...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Lol. Par for the course with this guy... however, if I were to engage his trolling it would be all my fault within the span of a few posts... oh well, I guess? There's one in every crowd, they say..

The truth isn't trolling.

 

[Microwahevo]

to admit he was wrong on something.

Drips with irony.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Drips with irony.

I have absolutely no problem admitting when I am wrong. I came on here and readily admitted I was wrong on Deandre Levy and he should have made the pro bowl last year.

I just got done a week or two ago on the AL Central thread talking about multiple comments I made where I was 100% wrong -- i.e. -- saying Detroit would run away with the Central when they were 27-12 and they proceeded to go 9-20. Saying JD Martinez was garbage and they needed to just keep Rajah Davis in the lineup daily -- Martinez is hitting .300+ and is batting clean up with VMart out and is the best hitter on the team not named Cabrera right now. Last one was dropping George Springer in my fantasy league, because after watching him face the Tigers, I believe I said, he will never hit double digit homeruns in the MLB with a swing as long and violent as he has -- all he has done since i dropped him is hit 16 homeruns, including a stretch where he hit one in 7 straight games.

I may be hard headed when discussing the Lions and I know I don't have a lot of good things to say about them, but I think an 11-21 record speaks volumes about why there is so much negativity regarding the team and some of the decisions they have made.

I know I should keep my mouth shut more often, but I can't when I see some of the post about the Lions having a top 5 this or they are one of the best at that. Unless the post is talking about Calvin Johnson -- the only people making those statements are Lions fans. If the Lions were as good as many think they are on here -- we wouldn't have drafted 5th and 10th overall the last two years.

 

[Microwahevo]

If the Lions were as good as many think they are on here

What "many"? The majority in here either think the Lions are the worst franchise ever, have a lot of issues, have some issues, or are just a few key pieces away from the playoffs. But only Kreton and TP have the description on here as being overly optimistic.

Just call em out and direct your shots at them instead of pussy-footin' around if that's who you're speaking of. If not, I'd love to hear who the "many" are.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

The truth isn't trolling.

Micro -- you can give me a thumbs down, but you know, as well as I -- The Lions could sign anyone and TP would post how he really likes the signing. Every player on our bench is being developed into a quality starter and every starter that has been garbage just needs another year to develop.

I wish I could look at the Lions like he does and see all the positive. When I look at the Lions -- I see a team extremely thin with depth on the defensive side of the ball. A team who is asking a group of CB's who aren't very good, to now play man, and out of the group on the team, the only one I feel has the ability to become a quality starter is Slay.

I actually really like our DL, but we have big cap issues and not one, but both of our DT's are in the final year of their contracts. So with so many question marks on the defensive side of the ball -- we draft a TE. One of the few weaknesses on the offense were all the drops, so we re-sign Pettigrew and then spend a top 10 pick on another TE. I just don't get it?!?! On top of that -- everything written about Ebron in OTA's has been about his struggles with.............drops.

Offensively -- I think Detroit would have been really good with the addition of Golden Tate. After that signing -- I wasn't worried about our offense. The defense is going to be the key for the Lions this year. They don't have the luxury of a cupcake schedule and they are going to face a lot of good offenses. Unless Slay makes a huge jump in his development and can be a solid #1 -- I think Detroit is going to be in the same boat they were in the last couple years, on the outside looking in at the playoffs.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Just call em out and direct your shots at them instead of pussy-footin' around if that's who you're speaking of. If not, I'd love to hear who the "many" are.

I'm not trying to start a big argument. Just stating my opinion. If you need names -- they have a history of threads started on here and shouldn't be hard to figure out for you.

 

[Microwahevo]

I'm not trying to start a big argument. Just stating my opinion. If you need names -- they have a history of threads started on here and shouldn't be hard to figure out for you.

Then start using names. Using "many" signifies a lot of people when you know you're only referencing one or two. Not sure what's so hard about directing your post at those certain people. I mean, you are wanting a response from them no?

 

[Microwahevo]

you can give me a thumbs down,

I gave you a thumbs down bc I disagreed with your comment. Your opinion hardly makes anything "truth".

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

(this is based on different things said by different posters over a long period of time and IS NOT even remotely directed at any one poster individually but to the entire collective group of board members.)

My homer club is TP and Kreton. Should be no surprise there.

There are others who I think may have somewhat unrealistic expectations and overly optimistic views about the team. But the offseason is the time when fans are always optimistic about the upcoming season. I honestly cant think of one team who I think is truly bad and almost a certainty for a top 5 pick next year. Therefore I have no issue with posters who feel that way.

My issue is, has been, and continues to be the treatment of anyone who doesn't share that same level of optimism. Those have self coined the term "realists" and are fine being called that. I personally take it as a compliment, after all the definition is simply a person who tends to view or represent things as they really are. That certainly works for me. Those who see things that way are called always negative, haters, and trolls. They are the ones being bashed without merit.

I have never been more negative heading into a season than I am about this team right now. I honestly can not think of one area I am anything more than neutral on. Those are subjective views and are my singularly. There are others who feel the same way and draw the calling of the names I mentioned above that for the most part I have managed to escape. I will continue to be negative until anyone choosing to challenge my statements can factually prove them to be incorrect or the team proves me wrong on the field because then my views would be wrong as things really are.

But if you subjectively choose to challenge my views and opinions you had better have your shit together and find some way to prove them wrong with more than your views and opinions. That is not someone who is always negative, a hater, or a troll. If I make a statement I believe to be a fact and you can prove its wrong I'll be the first person to admit that I made a mistake.

What others might do if they are in a similar situation I cant say, but I can assure you that I will take issue and you are going to get one hell of an e-fight until you actually can show me the reality of how I am wrong. And if you get bitch slapped in the process thats on you for not simply respecting an opinion or acknowledging a fact.

 

[tpaulus_2]

The truth isn't trolling.

So talking shit about a dude who hadn't mentioned you at all, in an argument that you hadn't yet entered is the "truth"?

You didn't even offer anything pertinent to the discussion... just came out of nowhere to take an opportunity to talk some shit.

Maybe we (and I'm using that ironically- I mean you) can leave this thread for the grown-ups who are having a good, lively debate centered on actual football stuff, and save your elementary bullshit for a different one? That'd be great, thanks...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Drips with irony.

So this isn't trolling, right? It is the truth and all...

 

[tpaulus_2]

I have absolutely no problem admitting when I am wrong. I came on here and readily admitted I was wrong on Deandre Levy and he should have made the pro bowl last year.

I just got done a week or two ago on the AL Central thread talking about multiple comments I made where I was 100% wrong -- i.e. -- saying Detroit would run away with the Central when they were 27-12 and they proceeded to go 9-20. Saying JD Martinez was garbage and they needed to just keep Rajah Davis in the lineup daily -- Martinez is hitting .300+ and is batting clean up with VMart out and is the best hitter on the team not named Cabrera right now. Last one was dropping George Springer in my fantasy league, because after watching him face the Tigers, I believe I said, he will never hit double digit homeruns in the MLB with a swing as long and violent as he has -- all he has done since i dropped him is hit 16 homeruns, including a stretch where he hit one in 7 straight games.

I may be hard headed when discussing the Lions and I know I don't have a lot of good things to say about them, but I think an 11-21 record speaks volumes about why there is so much negativity regarding the team and some of the decisions they have made.

I know I should keep my mouth shut more often, but I can't when I see some of the post about the Lions having a top 5 this or they are one of the best at that. Unless the post is talking about Calvin Johnson -- the only people making those statements are Lions fans. If the Lions were as good as many think they are on here -- we wouldn't have drafted 5th and 10th overall the last two years.

And if they were/are anywhere near as bad as you constantly try to make it seem we would have had the #1 pick in every draft, ever.

 

[tpaulus_2]

What "many"? The majority in here either think the Lions are the worst franchise ever, have a lot of issues, have some issues, or are just a few key pieces away from the playoffs. But only Kreton and TP have the description on here as being overly optimistic.

Just call em out and direct your shots at them instead of pussy-footin' around if that's who you're speaking of. If not, I'd love to hear who the "many" are.

I don't think that's fair at all. I predicted 8-8 this year, hardly overly-optimistic, imo.

I get that reputation because I'm one of the only people who will speak up in favor of a player who is being needlessly trashed, or if someone is offering up a jaded assessment that just doesn't hold water.

I find it funny that when I argue the merits of an average player (not Sims, specifically, it happens with a lot of our guys) still being a useful piece despite not being a Pro Bowler, it rapidly becomes me saying that he is the greatest ever and all our guys are All Pros. For my money when guys start resorting to exaggerations like that have no argument left to give, so they resprt to trying to discredit me instead.

For what it's worth, when I defend guys like that it's not because I think they're great, but rather I think we should focus on improving from the worst guy up, not cutting our middle-of-the-pack types just because they're not better than they are...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

And if they were/are anywhere near as bad as you constantly try to make it seem we would have had the #1 pick in every draft, ever.

The difference between you and I TP is this -- I can view the team as a whole and readily see the issues they have. Detroit has two players who can be in the conversation for best at their position -- Calvin Johnson is the best WR. You can make an argument for Suh being the top DT.

When I read threads on here about the Lions having one of the best OL and one of the best RB groups and one of the best DL, etc. It just cracks me up.

When I make a comment in those threads -- You are waiting in the wings with a slew of excuses, but continue to ignore the big picture. It is Linehan's fault, it is Schwartz's fault, it is the system's fault, Detroit's running backs didn't fumble that much -- look at the interception ratio for top QB's or my favorite one -- Detroit didn't fumble that much, the rest of the league held onto the ball more securely than in year's past. It isn't the DL's fault they only had 33 sacks -- it was the system. The CB's weren't good because the coaching staff didn't play them in their strengths.

When you finally realize -- Detroit is an extremely flawed team, built around their offense. You won't have to make any more excuses and you will understand why they are 11-21 the last two years.

In all honesty -- I don't have anything personal against you TP. I just have issues with fanatics, which to me are different than fans. Fanatics think every more, every draft pick, every signing has put the team over the hump and next year will be the year to win it all. Fans can look at the team without bias and see the faults and where the team needs to get better before getting to the next level.

I put you and Kreton as the President and Vice President of the Lions Fanatics Club.