ALL THINGS SUH

[gvsulaker82]

Yes. Mike we get it. All of Detroits players suck. Our team sucks. Nothing worked. We should replace everyone and everything about team. Everyone and everything is better than us. Worst team in NFL history every year. Fuck dude we get it.

The lions were not good last year. They were even worst the year before. They have had one winning season in what 15 years? That winning season they had a super soft schedule. The team isnt good and hasnt been in a long time. They need a lot of help. What do you expect him to say? He says good things about their good players and is critical of their weaknesses. There are many more waknesses currently than there are strengths so common sense should indicate heir weaknesses are talked about much more. What more should be expected?

 

[tpaulus_2]

You are right, the numbers dont lie. But lets not kid ourselves. The lions had a cakewalk of a schedule last year and I dont believe they played one elite offense. (maybe the eagles). We all saw what happened there. So yes, the numbers did look better, but that secondary is not very good.

Yeah, I can agree with that. They certainly were not a good secondary, but they also weren't nearly as bad as he's been carrying on about all year. Turnovers, or the lack thereof, were their biggest problem area.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Yeah, I can agree with that. They certainly were not a good secondary, but they also weren't nearly as bad as he's been carrying on about all year. Turnovers, or the lack thereof, were their biggest problem area.

Yeah they were as bad as I've talked about. Our best CB was RASHEAN MATHIS. He was cut by the Jacksonville and wasn't picked up until August.

We can try and make them sound better than they were, but I am just being honest. We literally had 2 interceptions by our CB for the year and only one CB on the roster had an interception.

We didn't play Peyton Manning, Brady and Brees every week. We faced Minnesota twice, we faced a backup for GB, we faced Brandon Wheeden, we faced Mike Glennon, we faced Eli Manning, we faced Philly in a blizzard. We didn't face the elite offenses or elite QBs, and we still stunk it up.

As I said -- the 'top' QBs we faced were Romo, Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers (once) -- they had a 109 QB rating with 8 td's and 0 interceptions.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Yeah they were as bad as I've talked about. Our best CB was RASHEAN MATHIS. He was cut by the Jacksonville and wasn't picked up until August.

Mathis had a very solid year and was our best CB, I don't see how that's an indictment on our other CBs? It's not like he was our best CB and was terrible. He got his hands on a lot of passes and generally had a good season.

We can try and make them sound better than they were, but I am just being honest. We literally had 2 interceptions by our CB for the year and only one CB on the roster had an interception.

Lol, the crutch of the realists... always just being "honest" because their opinions are obviously the truth, and nothing less.

We didn't play Peyton Manning, Brady and Brees every week.

Nobody in the league has. Ever.

Stop exaggerating to try to make a point. If your story held half as much water as you'd like us all to believe you wouldn't have to constantly exaggerate and stretch the truth.

We played who was on the schedule, simple as that. If we played a top 5 QB in the league every week our numbers would have been worse- same is true for every defense in the league. If we played the Raiders or Texans every week our numbers would have been much better. As always, there's two sides to the way you're always trying to twist things. Give it a rest for a change, hey?

We faced Minnesota twice, we faced a backup for GB, we faced Brandon Wheeden, we faced Mike Glennon, we faced Eli Manning, we faced Philly in a blizzard. We didn't face the elite offenses or elite QBs, and we still stunk it up.

Our bad, we shouldn't have played the teams on our schedule- only shitty teams do that, right? Perhaps Ford Jr. can petition the league to have us play a Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady 4 times each next year so the secondary really can be the worst in the league? Then you'd be able to bitch your heart out without anyone saying otherwise... that'd have to be a dream come through for you I'd imagine...

As I said -- the 'top' QBs we faced were Romo, Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers (once) -- they had a 109 QB rating with 8 td's and 0 interceptions.

Holding those three QBs to 2.6 TDs a piece isn't too shabby. As usual, the numbers don't support your ultra-negative stance.

 

[gandydancer]

Mathis had a very solid year and was our best CB, I don't see how that's an indictment on our other CBs? It's not like he was our best CB and was terrible. He got his hands on a lot of passes and generally had a good season.



Lol, the crutch of the realists... always just being "honest" because their opinions are obviously the truth, and nothing less.

Truly was honest
Was he picked up in August? yes ( he was leftovers that outplayed our original core). Was he the best we had? Yes. Did they have 2 INT's as a CB unit? Yes.

With that said, let's look at these 2 int's he so covets. Levy had 6 as did Lavonte David. Same team that had Revis. Revis had 13 PD and 2 INT/ Houston 11PD 2INT. Does this mean Revis sucks? No, but he sucked in zone. Sure his stats will go back up now a coach uses him properly. Stats don't always tell the story.

The game tape sure does. Tpaul I assume you watched the games? Yes I know you did.

OUR CB'S SUCKED LAST YEAR!!!!
Did our overall pass defense? According the stats they are middle of the road.

 

[broncosmitty]

Delmas had THREE. Our corners amisarewaswere shitty. Mathis being the least shitty. It was sad really. Cuz that line and the two linebackers that actually played amisarewaswere pretty damn good.

 

[gandydancer]

Holding those three QBs to 2.6 TDs a piece isn't too shabby. As usual, the numbers don't support your ultra-negative stance.

Let me guess... losing 5 games by 3 points or less and one by 4 isn't to shabby either???

Damn almost had some wins so close...woulda shoulda coulda easily been 11-5 and in playoffs.

No I am not suddenly a negative bastard who hates certain posters. Just tired of mediocre football!!
Are you??

 

[tpaulus_2]

Truly was honest
Was he picked up in August? yes ( he was leftovers that outplayed our original core). Was he the best we had? Yes. Did they have 2 INT's as a CB unit? Yes.

With that said, let's look at these 2 int's he so covets. Levy had 6 as did Lavonte David. Same team that had Revis. Revis had 13 PD and 2 INT/ Houston 11PD 2INT. Does this mean Revis sucks? No, but he sucked in zone. Sure his stats will go back up now a coach uses him properly. Stats don't always tell the story.

The game tape sure does. Tpaul I assume you watched the games? Yes I know you did.

OUR CB'S SUCKED LAST YEAR!!!!
Did our overall pass defense? According the stats they are middle of the road.

You give it a much more balanced spin... I can't disagree that our CBs sucked.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Our bad, we shouldn't have played the teams on our schedule- only shitty teams do that, right? Perhaps Ford Jr. can petition the league to have us play a Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady 4 times each next year so the secondary really can be the worst in the league? Then you'd be able to bitch your heart out without anyone saying otherwise... that'd have to be a dream come through for you I'd imagine...

TP -- we had the 2nd or 3rd easiest schedule in the NFL. We only had one game against a top QB. I realize we can only play the teams on our schedule, but I am looking past regular season -- We aren't going to be facing Matt Flynn, Brandon Wheeden, Christian Ponder, etc. if we get back to the playoffs.

Our CBs were terrible against a cake schedule. What do you think would happen IF they get to the playoffs and face one of the top teams? We got a glimpse of this in the NO game a few years ago. If we continue to be satisfied with mediocre -- we will continue to see the same results.

Holding those three QBs to 2.6 TDs a piece isn't too shabby. As usual, the numbers don't support your ultra-negative stance.

This statement right here speaks volumes. If you want to break it down simply and say 2.6 isn't shabby, which is laughable. Over the length of a season -- QBs would throw 41 tds and 0 interceptions if you want to break down those 3 games like that. Is that not too shabby either?

I'm sick of losing and sick of seeing the Lions continue to get shiny new toys for the offense, while the defense is pieced together with what is left over. THAT is why I was so adamant about the Tate signing, even though I know he fits what the offense 'needed' -- to me, if the Lions want to get to the next level, they need to start on the other side of the ball and get some play makers or they will be one and done if they ever get back to the playoffs.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Mathis had a very solid year and was our best CB, I don't see how that's an indictment on our other CBs? It's not like he was our best CB and was terrible. He got his hands on a lot of passes and generally had a good season.

It isn't an indictment on our other CBs that we signed a 33 year old CB who was cut by Jacksonville and he was our best CB last year?

The fact he even started for Detroit tells you where the overall talent at the position is at on the team. The fact he was the best CB, BY FAR, on Detroit should speak volumes to the lack of overall talent.

It isn't as if we picked up an aging superstar and he found the fountain of youth. Mathis made the pro bowl once 9 years ago. I guess I just don't see how this can't be grasped by those who think the Lions aren't too shabby. We can put middle of the road and mediocre on the field -- we may have enough firepower on offense, but once they play a good team -- it will be exposed again and again.

 

[Kreton]

Truly was honest
Was he picked up in August? yes ( he was leftovers that outplayed our original core). Was he the best we had? Yes. Did they have 2 INT's as a CB unit? Yes.

With that said, let's look at these 2 int's he so covets. Levy had 6 as did Lavonte David. Same team that had Revis. Revis had 13 PD and 2 INT/ Houston 11PD 2INT. Does this mean Revis sucks? No, but he sucked in zone. Sure his stats will go back up now a coach uses him properly. Stats don't always tell the story.

The game tape sure does. Tpaul I assume you watched the games? Yes I know you did.

OUR CB'S SUCKED LAST YEAR!!!!
Did our overall pass defense? According the stats they are middle of the road.

Revis sucked last year too??? Fuck dude either you are retarded or don't understand the game of football or you are just simply trolling.

 

[Microwahevo]

Revis sucked last year too??? Fuck dude either you are retarded or don't understand the game of football or you are just simply trolling.

Actually, what he's saying is that Revis isn't best suited for zone coverages. His strengths, as has always been, is man-to-man. He's a very physical corner and this scheme allows him to be very physical. Zone does not. And I would say maybe he didn't "suck" last year but it wasn't the Revis most were used to seeing. Save for '10(which seemed to be the year no one threw his way) it was actually a down year for him.

 

[Kreton]

Actually, what he's saying is that Revis isn't best suited for zone coverages. His strengths, as has always been, is man-to-man. He's a very physical corner and this scheme allows him to be very physical. Zone does not. And I would say maybe he didn't "suck" last year but it wasn't the Revis most were used to seeing. Save for '10(which seemed to be the year no one threw his way) it was actually a down year for him.

Revis was the top rated CB in the NFL last year. No corner in the NFL had a better year than he did last year.

 

[black_magic]

also had the game clinching pick against our lions

 

[gandydancer]

Revis sucked last year too??? Fuck dude either you are retarded or don't understand the game of football or you are just simply trolling.

Kreton, I just ask sir, before throwing the word retarded around. Walk in a mans shoes. Thanks!! For a guy who wants acceptance. This surely will not get any with me.

 

[gandydancer]

Actually, what he's saying is that Revis isn't best suited for zone coverages. His strengths, as has always been, is man-to-man. He's a very physical corner and this scheme allows him to be very physical. Zone does not. And I would say maybe he didn't "suck" last year but it wasn't the Revis most were used to seeing. Save for '10(which seemed to be the year no one threw his way) it was actually a down year for him.

Nice to see a guy who can a read post and understand the content without being broke down to simplest terms.

Then you have some who have comprehension isssues.I would take Revis in a heartbeat if we played a man scheme.( I actually do understand the game. Just wondered why Cherry boy in Tampa could not use him properly as stated in my post.) Basic stats lie sometimes. Kreton speaks of Suh helping even without glamour stats. However Revis without glamour stats suddenly sucks???

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[gandydancer]

Revis was the top rated CB in the NFL last year. No corner in the NFL had a better year than he did last year.

Not when just going by stats...

 

[gandydancer]

I'm sick of losing and sick of seeing the Lions continue to get shiny new toys for the offense, while the defense is pieced together with what is left over. THAT is why I was so adamant about the Tate signing, even though I know he fits what the offense 'needed' -- to me, if the Lions want to get to the next level, they need to start on the other side of the ball and get some play makers or they will be one and done if they ever get back to the playoffs.

Love the Tate signing. Do agree the defense needs some toys though. I am going to wait til after FA and draft are done to be negative. New regime, new thought process. (maybe)...Not sure of the path being taken. A WR at #10 will show me.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Love the Tate signing. Do agree the defense needs some toys though. I am going to wait til after FA and draft are done to be negative. New regime, new thought process. (maybe)...Not sure of the path being taken. A WR at #10 will show me.

I think Tate is a great fit, but hated giving out a contract like that for a #2 WR, when you already have the highest paid WR in football.

If they draft defense, defense, defense, defense -- I won't be too upset, as at least they are spending the picks to improve the defense. Our defense could be unreal if we had some play makers in the secondary.

As you said -- the #10 pick in the draft will tell us a lot about what directions the coaching staff wants to take the team.

 

[LPinSLC]

I think Tate is a great fit, but hated giving out a contract like that for a #2 WR, when you already have the highest paid WR in football.

If they draft defense, defense, defense, defense -- I won't be too upset, as at least they are spending the picks to improve the defense. Our defense could be unreal if we had some play makers in the secondary.

As you said -- the #10 pick in the draft will tell us a lot about what directions the coaching staff wants to take the team.

I don't think the #10 tells a story of direction. I think they could take an offensive player as still go heavy defense after that. With that pick I just hope they get the BPA regardless of side of the ball. I just want a playmaker. Picking top ten, you have got to land a solid eventual starter for years to come.