ALL THINGS SUH

[gvsulaker82]

I agree with others, I was thinking this yesterday as well. Jay z is no scott boras.

 

[broncosmitty]

Yeah people dont seem to get that though. Their thought process is lets trade him for draft picks because those picks will pan out and somehow they will be better. But thats not how the draft works and the lions will not find another suh or anyone close to it. Like I said earlier for those so worried about the lions spending money thats not yours you should be wanting to renege the stafford contract not worried about suh signing. Suh has already proven himself to be one of the best at his position and hes only going to get better. Stafford has not.

Yeah, Suhs an absolute force who's talents are not common. Other player aren't capable of what he is. He's a special player. Those aren't available in every draft. Picks in exchange for his abilities, no thanks. Do people remember who most of our picks are? Best, done. Delmas, cut. Titus, crazy. Broyles, IR. Slay, bench. Fairley will need to get paid eventually, see ya. Hell, it was this week that I read how people don't want BP resigned. What good are draft picks if you don't pay the ones you hit on? (Im afraid to even touch the Stafford side of this. He should be blamed for being grossly overpaid though.). What good are they if you don't hit on 'em in the first place?

 

[broncosmitty]

What qualifications does Jay Z have to be an agent? Is it anything more than Suh himself? Seriously, what does this jackass know more about NFL contracts than half the guys on this board?

Suh could simply walk into Allen Park representing himself and say I expect to be the highest paid DT in the league and will not accept a pay cut. How much does an agent take of the contract? I would guess its 15%. Well guess what Suh, if you wiped out that commission and the Lions agree to keeping you at your $12.5m average thats the same amount as if your agent got you an average of $14.375m/yr.

This isnt rocket science for crying out loud. You want a contract that works for everyone, here's one for free........

6 yr, $75m, with $30m guaranteed. That crushes the Atkins contract and keep you at the same average you get now. If you want that big amount then you need to work with the Lions in a way that benefits them as well since they are paying you such a continued premium over your position pay scale. That's why you didnt get a signing bonus immediately, but you will be more than taken care of. Here's how......

Year 1 Salary $3.6m + plus $9.8m carry forward dead from Millenhew's restructuring incompetance = cap hit $13.4m (the Lions free up $9m in space this year)
Year 2 Salary $4.4m + $9.7m carry forward dead (thanks again Millenhew you fucking loser) = cap hit $14.1m
Year 3 Salary $5m + a $20m Option Bonus (like a signing bonus its paid all at once but can be spread over the remaining length of the contract, so it counts as a $5m per year hit). The cap hit = $10m
Year 4 Salary $9m + another Option Bonus of $6m (counts as a $2m annual hit) + $5m from the first option bonus = Cap hit = $16m
Year 5 Salary $12m + the annualized hits from the option bonuses of $7m = Cap hit $19m
Year 6 Salary $15m + option bonuses of $7m = Cap hit $22m

All contracts escalate quite a bit in the last few years, just look at CJ's and Stafford's. The cap should be quite a bit higher by the time you reach the 5th and 6th years of that deal. But if by that time the situation with his play was such that it warrented cutting him then despite the dead money that cut would still actually free up $5m in cap space the 5th year and $15m if cut before the 6th year.

If you want to know how that compares to what Suh would actually be paid over the first few years of the contract compared to Atkins here it is. First off Suh would get double the amount of guaranteed money, which is the most important part of the contract. Atkins gets paid a total of $27.4m in the first 3 years of his deal and $33.7m over the first 4. Suh would be paid $33m over the first 3 years and $48m over the first 4 years. I would think he should be happy as shit with that and it still keeps his cap number never once exceeding a workable $16m for the Lions.

On the other hand if he goes in there demanding $16m+ a year then good luck with that. If the Lions pay it then not only are they stupid but watch how much that hurts. You try and figure out a way to work into those numbers an additional amount of $21m ($3.5m more than what I put up times 6 years). It's a clown show in Allen Park.

Jay Z, I believe, is a image expert. His wife has a sweet ass too. That's all I know. Three short sentances, four counting this one.

 

[RobBase]

Some people on this board seem to think and act like their opinions and posts actually influence the Lions. I don't care what anyone here would do, or who they would trade.

What interests me is trying to figure what the LIONS will do.

Not what the board thinks they should do.

This is why I was not surprised Stafford was the no.1 overall pick, Ansah was the pick last year, and I won't be surprised when Suh signs as the top paid (or one of the top) defensive player in the NFL.

Some things just are, and this is another one of them. Period.

I'll throw down the challenge again -- lets get a board Madden league going, salary cap ON, and let's see who really know their stuff. It's not exact science but it'd be fun.

 

[lionstop1]

Let's see what Stafford does this year before we go on talking about whether or not he's worth his contract.

Do you guys really want to risk continuing to be in cap hell just to keep Suh around? I guess I don't see him as this once in a lifetime DT that everyone else does. He's probably one of the greatest players to come out of college but in the NFL, there's several guys as good as he is. And there are "other" guys that can be just as productive.

Fans always say that players can be found in the draft, yet when it comes to a topic like this, "other" guys cannot be found. Thats funny. How long will the team be able to keep up with this and hang on to their other good players if they have no money? The Packers have 30 million in space and are rumored to be players in FA. The Lions? They cant do shit but hope the draft provides something decent.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

What interests me is trying to figure what the LIONS will do.

Fair enough. I think they will way overpay the Suh contract, stay in cap hell, remain mediocre, be one and done at best if they somehow make the playoffs, and ultimately be the last team in the league to still have never made an appearance in the SuperBowl.

They will also continue to get thousands of dollars of mine every year spent on my tickets, their merchandise, and stadium concessions. In fact, I just paid for my seats not 5 minutes before typing this and have the seat relocation upgrade request form in front of me waiting to be filled out. That way I can spend even more money on them. Quite frankly, I sicken myself.

 

[RobBase]

Fair enough. I think they will way overpay the Suh contract, stay in cap hell, remain mediocre, be one and done at best if they somehow make the playoffs, and ultimately be the last team in the league to still have never made an appearance in the SuperBowl.

They will also continue to get thousands of dollars of mine every year spent on my tickets, their merchandise, and stadium concessions. In fact, I just paid for my seats not 5 minutes before typing this and have the seat relocation upgrade request form in front of me waiting to be filled out. That way I can spend even more money on them. Quite frankly, I sicken myself.

I appreciate the honesty lol

 

[broncosmitty]

Oh,...... he's not worth his contract. But as Im reminded, it doesn't matter, he's our Quarterback. A guy who's top 15 at his position and a guy who's top 15 on his side of the ball aren't a very good comparison in the first place.

 

[RobBase]

FYI I believe that Mario Williams is currently the highest paid defensive player in the NFL at 16 million per year. Peppers is 2nd at around 14 million and Clay Matthews is 3rd at around 13 million.

Aaron Rogers is first overall with 22 million. So right there the Packers already have the top paid QB and 3rd highest paid defensive player.

Just for some perspective.

 

[RobBase]

Oh,...... he's not worth his contract. But as Im reminded, it doesn't matter, he's our Quarterback.

More perspective. Rogers, Flacco, Brees, both Mannings, Romo, Ryan, and Schaub all make more per year than Stafford. Rivers, Stafford and Cutler are the next 3 highest paid QB's. That's 11 out of 32 teams right there. Soon Russell Wilson will make more than all of them probably. Just the way it goes. They were never not going to re-sign him.

 

[broncosmitty]

Cutler and Schaub aren't swaying my contract value analysis on that one. (Schaub completed 60% of his passes last year, so he's good.). Don't disagree with you one bit on the never not going to resign him part. (I meant to say "shouldn't" not "should" a few posts ago. I hold it against Mayhew.)

 

[RobBase]

Cutler and Schaub aren't swaying my contract value analysis on that one. (Schaub completed 60% of his passes last year, so he's good.)

Yep. He's good. Good as gone.

ESPN New York reports the Jets "could check into the availability" of Matt Schaub.
Schaub is a near-lock to be released by the Texans, saving Houston $4 million against the 2014 cap. The Jets are in the market for a veteran to compete with Geno Smith this summer and have been linked to Michael Vick and now Schaub. Schaub has also been connected to the Raiders and shouldn't command more than $3-4 million annually on a backup-caliber contract

Schaub 2013 stats:

10 games
8 starts
2300 yards
10 TD's
14 INT

He's good.

 

[broncosmitty]

Im just going off the benchmark numbers for "good". Read 'em in a book yesterday. (If it weren't for all those pick 6's.....). Seriously though, Cleveland is gonna fuggin' love Schaub.

 

[RobBase]

Im just going off the benchmark numbers for "good". Read 'em in a book yesterday. (If it weren't for all those pick 6's.....). Seriously though, Cleveland is gonna fuggin' love Schaub.

I'm reading the new Texans HC likes Blake Bortles from UCF but the owner prefers Johnny Football. Seems legit but who knows. Either way it sounds like they're looking for a new QB not named Case Keenum.

 

[Rollingthndr]

Yeah, Suhs an absolute force who's talents are not common. Other player aren't capable of what he is. He's a special player. Those aren't available in every draft. Picks in exchange for his abilities, no thanks. Do people remember who most of our picks are? Best, done. Delmas, cut. Titus, crazy. Broyles, IR. Slay, bench. Fairley will need to get paid eventually, see ya. Hell, it was this week that I read how people don't want BP resigned. What good are draft picks if you don't pay the ones you hit on? (Im afraid to even touch the Stafford side of this. He should be blamed for being grossly overpaid though.). What good are they if you don't hit on 'em in the first place?

Amen.

 

[Rollingthndr]

Jay Z, I believe, is a image expert. His wife has a sweet ass too. That's all I know. Three short sentances, four counting this one.

If anyone thinks Jay Z is actually doing any of the negotiating are out of there minds.

Like Broncosmitty said, Jay Z is there just for image. Like sweet commercials and whatnot.

 

[Rollingthndr]

I'm reading the new Texans HC likes Blake Bortles from UCF but the owner prefers Johnny Football. Seems legit but who knows. Either way it sounds like they're looking for a new QB not named Case Keenum.

They are both out of their minds. Bridgewater all day.

 

[broncosmitty]

I like Bortels more than Johnny Football. Can't say about Bridgewater. I wouldn't take any of 'em personally. Don't think I could let anybody else have Clowney if I had the chance. (But, you all know how I roll with QBs.). Anybody know who CJ, Staff, Fairley, Reif or Reggie's Agents are? Not that I care, just wondering if anybody knows. (Looking it up is cheating.)

 

[Rollingthndr]

Fair enough. I think they will way overpay the Suh contract, stay in cap hell, remain mediocre, be one and done at best if they somehow make the playoffs, and ultimately be the last team in the league to still have never made an appearance in the SuperBowl.

They will also continue to get thousands of dollars of mine every year spent on my tickets, their merchandise, and stadium concessions. In fact, I just paid for my seats not 5 minutes before typing this and have the seat relocation upgrade request form in front of me waiting to be filled out. That way I can spend even more money on them. Quite frankly, I sicken myself.

Dr. Evil. I understand you don't want to pay Suh top money but dude is a top player, period.
Also you are forgetting the money we are saving at other positions that make up for it.
Example- LaAdrian Waddle will be paid 408,000.... Phil Loadholt 3.4 Million
Warford- 579,250 .... Andy Levitre 6.5 Million

Another Example.... Say Suh gets resigned and makes 14 million next year. Then say we get an impact defender like Anthony Barr at #10 and he plays for 600k this year. 7.3 per player. We have a lot of nice players playing on the cheap this year. A couple more impact rookies playing on the cheap all evens things out.

THEEEEEEEEN you cut the older players in a few years and pay the rookies that panned out. Also, the salary cap won't be contracting anytime soon.

 

[Rollingthndr]

I like Bortels more than Johnny Football. Can't say about Bridgewater. I wouldn't take any of 'em personally. Don't think I could let anybody else have Clowney if I had the chance. (But, you all know how I roll with QBs.). Anybody know who CJ, Staff, Fairley, Reif or Reggie's Agents are? Not that I care, just wondering if anybody knows. (Looking it up is cheating.)

I understand your point on Clowney but if I am looking at my roster in Houston and Case Keenum is my starting QB..... Be damn hard to pass on the most important position in football.


I know every poster on this board has seen plenty of Aaron Rodgers. Just the way he moves around the pocket (but stays in it) and still slings the ball with players all around him. Bridgewater plays exactly the same way, moves around inside the pocket but stays in it and slings it with amazing accuracy.