Alfred Morris

[Breed]

Those who have said you trade him for a first, we say this because we believe RBs are made by scheme usually and can be replaced reasonably easy.

I think Morris is great in this scheme but would flounder elsewhere. I think he would flounder without the threat of RG3.

My question is this...let's say you don't trade him at any point, do you resign him at 8 million/year because that's what it will cost...at a minimum.

How do you know far as the 8 mill minimum? But lets say that's the number for argument's sake. I guess I'd go over his entire body of work as a Redskin the last 4 years and if his production put him in the same category as 8 million dollar a year RBs. And if I felt reasonably sure said production would continue for a another 4-5 years. Sure I'd pay him.

I got a feeling though the Alf haters will get their wish though as I think Gruden is a Alf hater as well.

 

[gkekoa]

You people don't get it at all. Nobody hates Alfred Morris. I am a big fan of him. I am not a big fan of the RB position because they are a dime a dozen. The OL makes the RB...the scheme makes the RB. There are better fits in different offenses.

What is bad for RBs is the committee approach because they never get a feel for the individual game.

If a RB is a dime a dozen and you can get a very high draft pick for him, I believe you make a trade for that player especially in a contract year.

 

[skinsdad62]

alf stepped up when needed on that last drive

 

[Breed]

You people don't get it at all. Nobody hates Alfred Morris. I am a big fan of him. I am not a big fan of the RB position because they are a dime a dozen. The OL makes the RB...the scheme makes the RB. There are better fits in different offenses.

What is bad for RBs is the committee approach because they never get a feel for the individual game.

If a RB is a dime a dozen and you can get a very high draft pick for him, I believe you make a trade for that player especially in a contract year.

I get it. I just don't agree with it. And speaking of RBBC, looks like Chris Thompson put his resume in for bigger role in the RBBC. Personally I love it. When was the last time the Skins had an over-abundance of players that have all seriously impressed and more importantly, have all made contributions at key times in games?

What I don' get is someone w/o fail will mention RBs are easy to acquire or a dime a dozen periodically. Simply put, teams don't trade high end draft picks for dime a dozen players. Yet within a couple posts, are talking that Alf for a 1st rd pk noise again. Its like Night Gallery, Twilight Zone, and Outer Limits combined.

 

[j_y19]

First, look at the date on this thread. It is close to 2years old. Second, I think what I, and others, were intimating is that there is no way anyone would offer a 1st for Morris, but if someone did, you'd be crazy not to take it.

 

[skinsdad62]

RBS are not a dime a dozen . its a myth

 

[gkekoa]

Myth?

Where did Devonte Freeman come from?

Where did CJ Anderson come from last season?

Every year, there is a new great back in the NFL. Dime a dozen...maybe 20 cents. Riggs wasn't good, hogs made him. Emmitt Smith wasn't special, OL made him.

 

[Breed]

Riggs was a horse before injuries mounted up on him in Atlanta, That said, he was a very effective short yardage runner for the Skins and a made man so to speak well before he came to Washington. Emmitt was a stud, a straight up stud. And with the exception of Roger Staubach the most feared Redskin killer in all my years of being a Skins fan

You have some valid points about the decline of importance as it relates to RBs in today's NFL. Neither Riggs or Smith play in today's NFL though.

 

[Breed]

First, look at the date on this thread. It is close to 2years old. Second, I think what I, and others, were intimating is that there is no way anyone would offer a 1st for Morris, but if someone did, you'd be crazy not to take it.

So what concerning the date this thread was started. Sytmie I believe it was started a thread about trading Alf just last month. Ever since then trading Morris, what it might take monetary-wise to retain Morris, and with the flashes Jones has shown and now Johnson as well. Would it be to the advantage of the Skins organization to deal Morris away and if so. What type of compensation should the Skins be seeking have all been current and on-going discussions in various threads.

 

[Sharkinva]

RBS are not a dime a dozen . its a myth

I bet Chip Kelly and for that Matter Jason Garrett would gladly spare a few dimes right now.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

First, look at the date on this thread. It is close to 2years old. Second, I think what I, and others, were intimating is that there is no way anyone would offer a 1st for Morris, but if someone did, you'd be crazy not to take it.

Given the big number of high quality RBs that will be available via the draft in the next year or two a team would be crazy to waste a high pick on a trade for a RB. Several college RBs look like they are ready for the NFL now, and they will have minimal impact on the salary cap when compared with some of the guys that have been in the league 3/4 + years.

This is no knock on Morris - just the reality of the situation.

 

[Stymietee]

So what concerning the date this thread was started. Sytmie I believe it was started a thread about trading Alf just last month. Ever since then trading Morris, what it might take monetary-wise to retain Morris, and with the flashes Jones has shown and now Johnson as well. Would it be to the advantage of the Skins organization to deal Morris away and if so. What type of compensation should the Skins be seeking have all been current and on-going discussions in various threads.

Sorry Breed, I didn't start a thread about Ammo last month. I did start one in the off season about that because his trade value was higher then than it is now. In fact I now believe that his trade value right now is zero. I also started one about Garcon for the same reasons, believing that because the team won't pay Ammo what he deserves next year nor want to pay the 10.2 million that's due Garcon, they would be in effect renting them this year and getting zero return for them next year. Unless there is a drastic change in contractual affairs this coming off season, we stand to lose them both without recovery. That was this past off season and not beyond the start of training camp.

 

[gkekoa]

Sorry Breed, I didn't start a thread about Ammo last month. I did start one in the off season about that because his trade value was higher then than it is now. In fact I now believe that his trade value right now is zero. I also started one about Garcon for the same reasons, believing that because the team won't pay Ammo what he deserves next year nor want to pay the 10.2 million that's due Garcon, they would be in effect renting them this year and getting zero return for them next year. Unless there is a drastic change in contractual affairs this coming off season, we stand to lose them both without recovery. That was this past off season and not beyond the start of training camp.

I started the new thread in a hypothetical situation to see who here values loyalty to a player over winning.

 

[gkekoa]

I bet Chip Kelly and for that Matter Jason Garrett would gladly spare a few dimes right now.

Chip Kelly has the answer on his team. How did Ryan Matthews do when he was given the opportunities? He had a dominant game and goes to prove my point. Not every player fits every scheme.

As for Dallas, Jason Garrett abandons the run like nobody I have ever seen.

 

[gkekoa]

Riggs was a horse before injuries mounted up on him in Atlanta, That said, he was a very effective short yardage runner for the Skins and a made man so to speak well before he came to Washington. Emmitt was a stud, a straight up stud. And with the exception of Roger Staubach the most feared Redskin killer in all my years of being a Skins fan

You have some valid points about the decline of importance as it relates to RBs in today's NFL. Neither Riggs or Smith play in today's NFL though.

After Riggo, we had many more Pro Bowl RBs behind that OL. The OL made Riggo a household name. He was easily replaced.

Emmitt was made by his line too. He would frequently go four and five yards before being touched because of their push. His old ass could barely hold off TJ Duckett in Arizona.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I started the new thread in a hypothetical situation to see who here values loyalty to a player over winning.

As that relates to Morris - I would still not trade him this season barring a team willing to trade some crazy amt - which won't happen in today's NFL. As for next season - that will be a tough decision for the Redskins depending on how much Morris asks for from the team. As you saw yesterday - Morris was ineffective at times but came through in critical situations. Meanwhile - Jones was pretty ineffective & Thompson did well but does not appear to be an every down RB.

This situation is fluid & will need to be evaluated based on a complete season.

 

[skinsdad62]

i think you keep morris and go from there . ammo has been good for the gteam and has been woefully underpaid

i personally dont think he will ask for a huge contract

 

[Breed]

Sorry Breed, I didn't start a thread about Ammo last month. I did start one in the off season about that because his trade value was higher then than it is now. In fact I now believe that his trade value right now is zero. I also started one about Garcon for the same reasons, believing that because the team won't pay Ammo what he deserves next year nor want to pay the 10.2 million that's due Garcon, they would be in effect renting them this year and getting zero return for them next year. Unless there is a drastic change in contractual affairs this coming off season, we stand to lose them both without recovery. That was this past off season and not beyond the start of training camp.

My bad. It was gkekoa. Trade Alfred Morris? | SportsHoopla Sports Forums

I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last so I'm OK with it. Here's my rubber hits the road take on both Alf and PG.

I like Alf, alot, both as a player and a person. He's arguably been the Skins best player and w/o question best skill position player the last 3 years. Even in the midst of the bullshit with Griffin the last two years and the Skins having no other offensive player that scares anyone with the exception of Djax last year. He and RK are w/o question my fave players and ideally. I'd love if both had decade+ long careers as Redskins with a few SB trophies and some pro bowl berths along the way as well as all that would entail. The reality though is that this is the FA era, teams only have so much money to spend. The RB position has been devalued as the rules changes have trended towards the passing game. And RBBC has become a viable means to keep from playing huge contracts to a single RB and helped offset the injury/drastic drop-off in production issues RBs are more prone to than other position players. Drafting Jones was a smart move and if Thompson continues to flash, something I made mention of after the NYG game. That would be an unexpected, but definitely added bonus for the Skins. Alf is the logical odd man out. If that should happen. I'll still like him both as a player and person and wish him the very best......except when he plays against the Skins.

As for PG. Everyone, even PG himself, knows the Skins or no other team is kicking him down 10 mill next year. The Skins will make him a new restructured offer and he'll likely test some waters elsewhere. If he gets a comparable offer he might jet. If he gets a better offer, he's gone.

At this moment though. I'm not worried about any of that. Both Alf and PG were instrumental in the game winning drive led by Cuz Sunday. I hope they both continue to be instrumental to winning more games. In large part,. because that should signal among other things. That Cuz is growing into an NFL-legit QB and that more than anything, is what I would love to happen.

 

[Breed]

After Riggo, we had many more Pro Bowl RBs behind that OL

Many more eh. Than it shouldn't be hard for you to name five of the many more Pro Bowl RBs. The Skins had during the days of the Hogs after Riggo retired in 1985 should it.

The OL made Riggo a household name.

Riggo was one of the most unique characters, if not the most unique character, in all of professional football during his career. That includes his time with the Jets, well before he became a Redskin. He was also the biggest reason the Skins won their first SB championship and that's not debatable. And that was after he told Joe Gibbs to put on him and he'd lead the Skins to the promise land. And that's when he became a certifiable mega-star. What makes Riggo even motherfuckin cooler as if that was possible. Is that at no time did any of it go to his head, make him an ass0, or even change him. That's some rarified and impressive shit right there. I'm not gonna front and say the Hogs had no role in that, they most certainly did, but Riggo was the straw that stirred the drink.

Emmitt was made by his line too. He would frequently go four and five yards before being touched because of their push. His old ass could barely hold off TJ Duckett in Arizona.

If you're gonna say stupid shit. At least come up with the stupid shit on your own as opposed to repeating some stupid shit someone else said.

 

[gkekoa]

As that relates to Morris - I would still not trade him this season barring a team willing to trade some crazy amt - which won't happen in today's NFL. As for next season - that will be a tough decision for the Redskins depending on how much Morris asks for from the team. As you saw yesterday - Morris was ineffective at times but came through in critical situations. Meanwhile - Jones was pretty ineffective & Thompson did well but does not appear to be an every down RB.

This situation is fluid & will need to be evaluated based on a complete season.

Nobody said anybody would give up a first...the question was IF it was offered.