Alex Rodriguez to play his last career game on Friday, August 12

[Bulletz]

Bronson Arroyo's glove and the ball from the slap.

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Lol. Speaking of gloves where's Varitek's at? The one Arod tasted.

 

[mcnabb7542]

@mcnabb7542 is a Mariners fan that never got over choking in the playoffs after a 116 win season, and still cries over A-rod leaving the Mariners.

Pay him no mind.

He was gone during the 2001 season, so no he didn't take part in that choke...

 

[calsnowskier]

Bronson Arroyo's glove and the ball from the slap.

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Perfect example of double standard.

Why is/was it totally accepted to blow up the catcher to dislodge the ball, but slapping the ball out of the hand of a guy trying to tag you out is blackball-worthy?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

@mcnabb7542 is a Mariners fan that never got over choking in the playoffs after a 116 win season, and still cries over A-rod leaving the Mariners.

Pay him no mind.

All you had to say was that he was a Mariners fan. Everyone knows Seattle teams' fans are the whiniest bitches in sports.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Why is/was it totally accepted to blow up the catcher to dislodge the ball, but slapping the ball out of the hand of a guy trying to tag you out is blackball-worthy?

I hope you're joking.

 

[DHoey]

His career is probably the first that I followed all the way through, I was too young to see Griffey and Randy Johnson begin. He had some crazy season's, and some pretty crazy low's. A hell of a baseball career either way. I was really bummed out when he went to Texas, but I can understand. It's kind of too bad the way he fizzled out, and he may be stepping away a little too late, but who am I to judge. Can't say I'm sad, can't say I'm happy

 

[Guy Incognito]

Perfect example of double standard.

Why is/was it totally accepted to blow up the catcher to dislodge the ball, but slapping the ball out of the hand of a guy trying to tag you out is blackball-worthy?

Well, shit, let's just let baserunners tackle any fielder trying to make a play. It's the same as having the plate blocked by the catcher.

 

[calsnowskier]

Well, shit, let's just let baserunners tackle any fielder trying to make a play. It's the same as having the plate blocked by the catcher.

That's my point.

Why is one acceptable (the outrage of the "Posey Rule") and the other is not?

A runner is considered a hard-nosed "gamer" if he bowls over the catcher, but a doosh bag if he try's to knock the ball out of the fielders glove.

What is the difference outside of one of the motions putting a guys career and health on the line and the other is not.

 

[Guy Incognito]

That's my point.

Why is one acceptable (the outrage of the "Posey Rule") and the other is not?

A runner is considered a hard-nosed "gamer" if he bowls over the catcher, but a doosh bag if he try's to knock the ball out of the fielders glove.

What is the difference outside of one of the motions putting a guys career and health on the line and the other is not.

The two plays are so far from the same thing that it's not even funny.

In one play (the catcher blocking home), the defender is actually blocking the ability of the baserunner to reach home, and the only way to score is to go through the catcher.

In the A-Rod play, no one is blocking him, and he chose to swing his arm at the glove instead of attempt to avoid contact. It's a bush league play, and it's baserunner interference.

If baserunners were going into home trying to "strip" the catcher instead of run through him to jar the ball loose, it would be an apt comparison.

 

[obxyankeefan]

If Arroyo had been standing in the baseline and A Rod ran through him, OK. But it is more A Rod slapping Arroyo's arm that people have a problem with. If you want to compare something to a collision at home plate, I would lean more to the take out slide to break up a DP.

 

[calsnowskier]

The two plays are so far from the same thing that it's not even funny.

In one play (the catcher blocking home), the defender is actually blocking the ability of the baserunner to reach home, and the only way to score is to go through the catcher.

In the A-Rod play, no one is blocking him, and he chose to swing his arm at the glove instead of attempt to avoid contact. It's a bush league play, and it's baserunner interference.

If baserunners were going into home trying to "strip" the catcher instead of run through him to jar the ball loose, it would be an apt comparison.

Great response. Thanks.

However, Posey got a lot of national criticism for his play because he did not set his feet properly to take the hit, while he was actually NOT blocking the plate. Cousins had a path to the plate, but changed his direction to take out the catcher rather than slide for the plate. (defender is "at fault" and a new rule is "needed" moving forward) vs the ARod play, where the batter is "at fault" (and no new rules created).

Scenario 1
Runner performs a dangerous play while running out of the line (line to base is not blocked) - defender is "blamed"

Scenario 2
Runner performs a non-dangerous play while staying in the line (line to base is not blocked) - runner is "blamed"

You answered that ARod made a dooshy play that is interference. I can buy that. I just dont understand why Cousins is considered gritty (and Rose as well) but ARod dooshy.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Great response. Thanks.

However, Posey got a lot of national criticism for his play because he did not set his feet properly to take the hit, while he was actually NOT blocking the plate. Cousins had a path to the plate, but changed his direction to take out the catcher rather than slide for the plate. (defender is "at fault" and a new rule is "needed" moving forward) vs the ARod play, where the batter is "at fault" (and no new rules created).

Scenario 1
Runner performs a dangerous play while running out of the line (line to base is not blocked) - defender is "blamed"

Scenario 2
Runner performs a non-dangerous play while staying in the line (line to base is not blocked) - runner is "blamed"

You answered that ARod made a dooshy play that is interference. I can buy that. I just dont understand why Cousins is considered gritty (and Rose as well) but ARod dooshy.

Scenario 1 - runner performs a play allowed by the rules.

Scenario 2 - runner performs a play not allowed by the rules.

 

[calsnowskier]

Scenario 1 - runner performs a play allowed by the rules.

Scenario 2 - runner performs a play not allowed by the rules.

Actually not (in regards to scenario 1). The rules on the books at the time prevented (even at home plate) interference from the runner if the plate was available. Posey was not blocking the plate, therefore could not he interfered with.

That said, the culture of the game disregarded enforcement of that rule when it came to home plate collisions. Much like batters are SUPPOSED to make an effort to get out of the way of a pitched ball or they will not be awarded 1B on a HBP. The rule exists, but it rarely/never enforced. The "Posey Rule" was redundant.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Actually not (in regards to scenario 1). The rules on the books at the time prevented (even at home plate) interference from the runner if the plate was available. Posey was not blocking the plate, therefore could not he interfered with.

That said, the culture of the game disregarded enforcement of that rule when it came to home plate collisions. Much like batters are SUPPOSED to make an effort to get out of the way of a pitched ball or they will not be awarded 1B on a HBP. The rule exists, but it rarely/never enforced. The "Posey Rule" was redundant.

Actually, no it wasn't. Collisions were legal.

And Posey wasn't interfered with. The runner has a right to the base. They changed the rule after the Posey collision.

MLB Adopts New Rule For Home Plate Collisions In Wake Of Posey Injury

 

[calsnowskier]

Actually, no it wasn't. Collisions were legal.

And Posey wasn't interfered with. The runner has a right to the base. They changed the rule after the Posey collision.

MLB Adopts New Rule For Home Plate Collisions In Wake Of Posey Injury

He was not blocking the plate. He was in front of the plate, actually following the rule as it is now.

And collisions were NOT legal by the letter of the rule book. The culture of the game simply allowed for them.

And where did I lead you to think I was unaware of the Posey rule? Was it when I referenced it multiple times in my responses? Sorry for misleading you like that.

 

[Guy Incognito]

He was not blocking the plate. He was in front of the plate, actually following the rule as it is now.

And collisions were NOT legal by the letter of the rule book. The culture of the game simply allowed for them.

And where did I lead you to think I was unaware of the Posey rule? Was it when I referenced it multiple times in my responses? Sorry for misleading you like that.

Collisions were legal. I played in lower levels of baseball that allowed collisions. They were 100% legal.

 

[calsnowskier]

Collisions were legal. I played in lower levels of baseball that allowed collisions. They were 100% legal.

Legal and allowed are not the same thing.

The rule book was actually rather clear. Collisions were not allowed if the base was free. If Posey were blocking the plate, than he actually could have been called for obstruction himself, BY THE RULEBOOK. But he was not blocking the plate, therefore, Cousins should have been called out BY THE RULEBOOK for altering his panther to blow him up.

Again, I am not talking about the culture of the game which allowed for them. I am not arguing that. I acknowledge the the culture of the game allowed them. But the rules did not allow them.

 

[Lions=TeHsUcKs]

its gonna drive people nuts when ARod coaches for decades.

The next Billy Martin?

 

[Indrid Cold]

I think the Yanks just decided they were not going to have ARod hit his 700th HR in their uniform and that was that.
Zombie Babe Ruth would have emerged from his grave and killed the entire team and front office...

 

[navamind]

"we're trying to win baseball games"

/inserts Tex as starting 1B