Alabama's Da'shawn hand arrested for DUI

[4down20]

I think that is the argument here. Most schools don't extend that special privilege to not being suspended for a dui

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[4down20]

And with that comes some sort of accountability and responsibility. Just like the coach who was let go for calling an escort service. He didn't even break a law at least nothing serious but he did not represent the school in a good light. You can't accept the privileges and then when you fuck up want to be treated like a regular student.

Actually, it turns out he can in fact accept the priviledges and then get treated like a regular student.

That's why you got nothing but anger about it.

 

[4down20]

If your dumb enough to let the car running while your hammered, you deserve all the shit coming to you. Don't give a fuck how hot it is.

It would seem he deserves the DUI charge, and to play against FSU.

 

[4down20]

So your claim about college football players losing more when they fuck up isnt exactly true. Thanks for clarifying.

No, I think your employer has every right to do what the hell they want, and if you aren't worth the trouble then maybe you shouldn't be fucking up.

If Alabama wanted to boot him over it, I would support that as well. Apparently, you just aren't worth shit.

 

[fishinabarrel]

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Schools more often than not suspend student athletes for getting DUI's. A hell of a lot of people in their careers have more repercussions other than just legal for getting a DUI. Saban's little spin on suspensions doing nothing and hurting the kid's future sounds well and good, but its bullshit spouted from a master recruiter. He is good at spinning negatives into positives.

Like I said earlier, don't care that the kid wasn't suspended, but let's stop acting like it is for any more reason than having the best chance to win a football game.

 

[WizardHawk]

Man, some of you try way too hard to make round pegs fit in square holes.

This really isn't that hard and doesn't require this much effort to understand.

In general the schools have every right, and probably duty, to give their own punishments on top of the legal system for conduct that brings negative light to the school. This would include DV and DUI types of events. The more light it brings the more of a punishment required. Most others also face repercussions outside of the legal system for things they might do and plenty are because of how it makes their employer look. This isn't unique to student athletes in any way.

In this particular case a suspension probably isn't warranted if what little that has been reported is in fact true. If he actually didn't drive, but got behind the wheel to do so and passed out before moving the vehicle he deserves the charge and whatever the team/school does, but at least he did the right thing and didn't actually drive.

No two cases of screw ups are the same, but there needs to be consistency across a program for all kids that do similar levels of stupid things. Of course kids at different schools face entirely different levels. I really don't want the NCAA in the business of handing out discipline to individual players do you? So there really is no way to uniform these things without serious abuse and misuse. It's up to each school to decide how much the public backlash means to them and what image they care about from their student athletes.

 

[4down20]

Schools more often than not suspend student athletes for getting DUI's. A hell of a lot of people in their careers have more repercussions other than just legal for getting a DUI. Saban's little spin on suspensions doing nothing and hurting the kid's future sounds well and good, but its bullshit spouted from a master recruiter. He is good at spinning negatives into positives.

It depends on the kid and his history.

A kid that is constantly in trouble, bad attitude, etc = probably going to be suspended or kicked off the team even. Because they are a liability. If they aren't very good, it's even more likely because they are even more of a burden.

And maybe people who fall in the special snowflake category don't want to hear that, but it should be that way. It's the same exact way in life.

I once worked at a telemarketing place many years ago. 1 Friday night, basically nobody showed up(mostly highschool kids). I personally was always missing days, coming in late, or leaving early because I didn't give a fuck. So come monday they had a big meeting, for the only time in my life, I got fired along with a bunch of other people for missing that Friday.

A few days later, they called me back, hired me back and told me I could work any hours I wanted, so long as I put in 30 hours a week. Because I was good and they wanted my sales.

And I could give plenty more examples. I've been at my current job for 17 years, and I work at home. Even when I lived literally next door to the office, I was the person that was there the least. Meanwhile, other people had to be there at 9am, work all day everyday and they made way less money than I did. Because again, I'm good at what I do, and I get special treatment because of it.

If I was shitty at my job, nobody is going to put up with that. And I'm sure there are limits to what I could get away with. Because things are NOT based on single incidents like this, they are done based on the bigger picture. The more you contribute, the more you get away with.

So if you aren't as good at your job as others, then guess what - you better walk the line. Because you are expendable and you will be replaced.

And all the "special snowflakes" can cry about how it's not fair, but it shouldn't be fair. It would be stupid and against the best interests of everyone involved if we for some stupid reason pretended like every situation was the same, and that all people are equal in everything. People have a right to be treated fair by the government, and that's it.

Sorry, I live in the real world and I don't give a crap about social justice warriors.

Like I said earlier, don't care that the kid wasn't suspended, but let's stop acting like it is for any more reason than having the best chance to win a football game.

This thread is 17 pages long because people want to see Alabama hurt and have less chance at beating FSU. So I guess any response in the opposite is that way, regardless.

However, I have the same argument no matter what team it is. Suspending players is a bullshit punishment for the most part that is done mostly for PR reasons and nothing more. And I'm glad Alabama has a coach who will tell everyone else to suck his harry balls while he drags them along.

 

[socaljim242]

Man, some of you try way too hard to make round pegs fit in square holes.

This really isn't that hard and doesn't require this much effort to understand.

In general the schools have every right, and probably duty, to give their own punishments on top of the legal system for conduct that brings negative light to the school. This would include DV and DUI types of events. The more light it brings the more of a punishment required. Most others also face repercussions outside of the legal system for things they might do and plenty are because of how it makes their employer look. This isn't unique to student athletes in any way.

In this particular case a suspension probably isn't warranted if what little that has been reported is in fact true. If he actually didn't drive, but got behind the wheel to do so and passed out before moving the vehicle he deserves the charge and whatever the team/school does, but at least he did the right thing and didn't actually drive.

No two cases of screw ups are the same, but there needs to be consistency across a program for all kids that do similar levels of stupid things. Of course kids at different schools face entirely different levels. I really don't want the NCAA in the business of handing out discipline to individual players do you? So there really is no way to uniform these things without serious abuse and misuse. It's up to each school to decide how much the public backlash means to them and what image they care about from their student athletes.

Thats all well and good and of course its better that he wasn't driving when they found him It would have been better if he wasn't in the drivers seat in a running car and on the sidewalk instead and it would have just been drunk in public. But he did get drunk and get in his car , start the car and pass out and got a DUI. No one knows if he meant to drive. But the argument was more about some bama fans feeling that a suspension isn't the right punishment pretty much ever because according to these guys it won't help the player and Saban has magical powers to know what extra diversion class and how many hours of community service does do the trick.

 

[WizardHawk]

Big difference between not suspending a star player that misses a practice and one that makes the school and their community look bad. That would be a closer comparison to special treatment at a job where you are so needed they put up with bullshit.

 

[WizardHawk]

Thats all well and good and of course its better that he wasn't driving when they found him It would have been better if he wasn't in the drivers seat in a running car and on the sidewalk instead and it would have just been drunk in public. But he did get drunk and get in his car , start the car and pass out and got a DUI. No one knows if he meant to drive. But the argument was more about some bama fans feeling that a suspension isn't the right punishment pretty much ever because according to these guys it won't help the player and Saban has magical powers to know what extra diversion class and how many house of community service does do the trick.

Well I said suspensions in general are warranted. I started with that. I firmly believe that. I have publicly called for it when it was against my own team because it was the right thing to do.

In this case however, it doesn't matter whether or not he meant to drive and passed out before he could, or thought better of it and just passed out instead. Either way he never actually put anyone else in harms way. That should matter and should change the level of school punishment IMO.

 

[socaljim242]

Well I said suspensions in general are warranted. I started with that. I firmly believe that. I have publicly called for it when it was against my own team because it was the right thing to do.

In this case however, it doesn't matter whether or not he meant to drive and passed out before he could, or thought better of it and just passed out instead. Either way he never actually put anyone else in harms way. That should matter and should change the level of school punishment IMO.

There's a reason they give you a DUI if you're drunk in a car and its running . Plenty of things can happen .

 

[WizardHawk]

There's a reason they give you a DUI if you're drunk in a car and its running . Plenty of things can happen .

Again, punishment by the team/school is an entirely different thing and for a different purpose than the legal system. The legal system doesn't always take intent into account. The court of public opinion really should.

You'd much rather the next time a kid is drunk they don't get behind the wheel at all, but if they did you would hope they thought better of actually pulling out and simply pass out as well.

 

[ralphiewvu]

No, I think your employer has every right to do what the hell they want, and if you aren't worth the trouble then maybe you shouldn't be fucking up.

If Alabama wanted to boot him over it, I would support that as well. Apparently, you just aren't worth shit.

LOL so decisively defending Saban not suspending him but yet you support any decision.

Anyone in my job would get fired over a DUI, even you huckleberry.

 

[ralphiewvu]

It would seem he deserves the DUI charge, and to play against FSU.

Is there anything you won't defend for the team you bandwagon?

 

[4down20]

Big difference between not suspending a star player that misses a practice and one that makes the school and their community look bad. That would be a closer comparison to special treatment at a job where you are so needed they put up with bullshit.

There is always a limit to how much you can fuck up.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Nobody will even remember this shit in a month. You will all have moved onto some other social injustice. Maybe Gary will mention it on CBS.

This should read: TrustMe just made me realize Saban is responsible for the student athletes he brings into Bama, so I will change my argument to social injustice and just wait til the next guy screws up.

 

[WizardHawk]

There is always a limit to how much you can fuck up.

Falling asleep in a team meeting or doing other things that violate team policy that no one else outside of the team knows about can be ignored or carry different levels of punishment for star players vs bench players. And no one outside of the program should care.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Ever heard of uber? Jesus Christ it's not that hard to avoid things like this. I never take my car out when I hit the bars, which is generally multiple times a week.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

There is always a limit to how much you can fuck up.

Exactly. It isn't like he was driving around with a hand gun and drugs. He didn't kill anyone either -- he was 'responsible' and passed out before he started driving.

 

[4down20]

LOL so decisively defending Saban not suspending him but yet you support any decision.

Anyone in my job would get fired over a DUI, even you huckleberry.

Because it's his decision to make. He is the one who knows what's going on. But game suspensions are lame and mostly for PR. Maybe there are cases where it's warranted, I don't know and don't pretend too.

As for your job - good. I guess it's a good thing he plays football instead of doing your job.

I've never had a ticket in my life, much less a DUI.