AL Central Smack Talk

[tygerphan4ever]

Well, the freakin Red Sox are 1-3 with the Tigers, first of all. The A's are 1-2.. not to mention last season reg season and ps. NYY are 1-2, not to mention last yr ps. The O's are 4-2 with the Tigers, but I'd put our rotation up against theirs in Oct. So, AGAIN, there's MORE to suggest the Tigers will play well in the ps than won't. AND.. I'll say it AGAIN, the Twins are a pain that I hate watching the Tigers play. At 26-22 vs winning teams, I'm fine with the Tigers playing-- just not worried about it. Btw, if you don't think Detroit is acquiring the bp help they need at the deadline for their playoff run, then it's YOU who has the 'issues' to address.One more time now.. not worried about the Tigers ps chances.. but thanks for checkin

 

[tygerphan4ever]

*26-21*

 

[Iffster]

We can talk all day about which teams the Tigers should, or shouldn't face...the key to any Tiger success will be in the hands of Dombrowski and whatever pitching staff his team will have from the end of July on. The Tigers will score runs - in spurts mostly - but their season will rest largely on how the starting pitchers and relievers handle the last 60 games. The starters have slowed down some since the early part of the season. Sanchez and Fister have cooled, Verlander can't find the old groove and Porcello is erratic. Add to that, they are only two guys in the bullpen you can count on...the rest are poor to awful. Dombrowski must find an answer to that....and we all cross our fingers that the starters are dependable for 6+ innings on most starts.

BTW...just a hunch, but I think what tygerphan might be feeling about facing good vs lesser teams, is that there are higher expectations when the Tigers face the White Sox or Twins....and thus fans feel more pressure for them to win those games. If they only take one of three from the Rangers...well, that can be excused, somewhat, because the Rangers ARE good. If that makes any sense.

 

[tygerphan4ever]

The expectation thing is part of it, but also b/c it's also very visible that the Tigers appear to play much more comfortably against the better teams. I agree that DDs choices at the deadline are going to mean alot. In this case, it's a matter of obtaining the reliever or 2 to bridge the gap between the starters and Smyly/Benoit. As to the starters, I'd rather take my chances with those than the rotations most of the other contenders have. Those are talented pitchers. Rotations tend to have peaks and valleys throughout the season, but talented rotations rise to the top when it counts the most late in the season. Especially ones who feel confident that they are handing the game over to a decent pen. That's why the Tigers picking up BP help at the deadline is such a necessity, not to mrntion how they might actually stop blowing late leads should they get that help.. can't forget how many the pen has blown this year.

 

[Nosferatu]

The core of the Tigers team is 30 or under, including Cabrera, Fielder, Jackson and all 5 starters (6 if you throw in Smyly). They may be without older guys like V-Mart, Hunter and Benoit in 2015, but I think they'll be just fine, especially with Ilitch's open-wallet policy.

Miguel Cabrera is 30, he's 6'4 about 260 pounds, guys with that body type don't last deep into their 30's. His contract runs out after 2015 and he will wanna break the bank, I hope the Tigers give him a 5 year deal worth about 200 million then.

Prince Fielder is 29 and is listed at 5'11 275 pounds, read above about players with this body type not lasting long into their 30's. He is signed through 2020 which is not good.

Austin Jackson is a decent player but not a player likely to carry the team once the fat guys wear down.

Justin Verlander is a great pitcher but he's 30 and this season will be seven in a row over 200 innings. I hope he stays healthy but I would guess he will start to wear down somewhat in the next 2 or 3 seasons.

As far as the open wallet policy, you are gonna have probably 70+ million tied up in 3 guys all 32 years of age or older in 2016, with the Tigers farm system being as bad as it is you aren't going to be able to trade for great players so you'll have to buy them, no matter how much you all love Detroit it's not a city guys who aren't from there or have some ties there wanna spend lots of time in. And of course you are assuming everyone stays healthy which with as big as Prince and Miggy are the risk goes up every year for injury.

 

[MiamiVice]

Miguel Cabrera is 30, he's 6'4 about 260 pounds, guys with that body type don't last deep into their 30's. His contract runs out after 2015 and he will wanna break the bank, I hope the Tigers give him a 5 year deal worth about 200 million then.

Prince Fielder is 29 and is listed at 5'11 275 pounds, read above about players with this body type not lasting long into their 30's. He is signed through 2020 which is not good.

Austin Jackson is a decent player but not a player likely to carry the team once the fat guys wear down.

Justin Verlander is a great pitcher but he's 30 and this season will be seven in a row over 200 innings. I hope he stays healthy but I would guess he will start to wear down somewhat in the next 2 or 3 seasons.

As far as the open wallet policy, you are gonna have probably 70+ million tied up in 3 guys all 32 years of age or older in 2016, with the Tigers farm system being as bad as it is you aren't going to be able to trade for great players so you'll have to buy them, no matter how much you all love Detroit it's not a city guys who aren't from there or have some ties there wanna spend lots of time in. And of course you are assuming everyone stays healthy which with as big as Prince and Miggy are the risk goes up every year for injury.

32 is old in baseball? Really?

 

[Nosferatu]

32 is old in baseball? Really?

I know you are an idiot homer but try to pay attention to everything I said not just the ages...

 

[MiamiVice]

I would love to see some facts put behind how a guy that is 6'4'' and 260 or a guy 5'11'' 275 age differently baseball wise than others... Would LOVE to see that.

 

[MiamiVice]

I know you are an idiot homer but try to pay attention to everything I said not just the ages...

Bro... How am I a homer.. do you even know what that is? Do you see me on here posting stupid stuff like doug... he is a homer... I am far from a homer. As for your stupid post... Detroit is not NY or Miami.. but fun fact... baseball has no cap... fun fact... teams that will spend can always add talent... and another fun fact.. the tigers are owned by a family that also owns the casino with the largest revenues of all casinos in the USA. That is right.. they not only own Little Caesars... They own a CASINO. Do you think that after the old man dies they will quit spending? The only reason they didn't spend before was because they put all the money into the Red wings.. now the NHL has a salary cap... so the money that was going to the red wings goes to the tigers.. Easy math... unless the NHL takes away the cap... or baseball adds one.. Tigers will spend.. because the Ilitch family can. Another fun fact... Ilitch's son has been running the day to day operations of the family businesses since 1999... so if the old man kicks the bucket.. not much is changing... All you are doing is WANTING the tigers to fail.. want all you want... the team is owned by one of the wealthiest families in the USA... and they ain't selling anytime soon.

 

[MiamiVice]

PS... Still waiting for you to show me what statements I made that would make me a homer.. and for the stats showing bigger guys don't age well compared to so called smaller guys... You been called out homie

 

[Nosferatu]

Ok, let me say I apologize for thinking a guy 5'11 275 pounds could possibly be more likely to run out of gas sooner than someone 6'2 200... I mean in real life that doesn't happen right? So why would it happen in baseball, quick, name me someone 5'11 275 who played well into their 30's? Why not use Cecil Fielder? Up until age 32 he hit at least 28 home runs every year he was a Tiger, he was out of baseball at age 35 and he was 6'3 230 or so for most of his career. Can't wait to hear the excuses.

HOMER? I have seen your moronic posts on CBS for quite some time, you are an instigating prick in nearly every post I have ever read of yours

Wanting the Tigers to fail all I want? Thank you, even though I said I hope Verlander stayed healthy, yeah you aren't an idiot. Until I met people like you I rooted for the Tigers but reading your insane bullshit has made me root against them...

 

[dougplayer]

Tigerswin. Fister looks good. real good.
Miggy is playing hurt. his back is sore. lot of people in Detroit would like him to skip the all star game and rest his back. good idea if you ask me.

about about Tori Hunter????? was a big addition he has been

 

[CaptO]

HOMER? I have seen your moronic posts on CBS for quite some time, you are an instigating prick in nearly every post I have ever read of yours

Wanting the Tigers to fail all I want? Thank you, even though I said I hope Verlander stayed healthy, yeah you aren't an idiot. Until I met people like you I rooted for the Tigers but reading your insane bullshit has made me root against them...

CaptObviouse... CaptoIsFecal... Cant wait to see the next name he dedicates to me

 

[dougplayer]

did you homers believe the crap some of you post??
how can you say Jackson is iffy???

after last years great season.... he was off to a good start. then he missed 30 games. he came back and was hitting right away. didn't need 10 or 20 games to get back his groove..

in 60 games. he has scored 55Rs, has 73 hits. he gets this offense going.
remember just 3 years ago he was lost at the plate. green rookie that most thought the Yankees were smart to trade. He is turning into one of the better lead off men. PLUS PLUS he is in the running for a gold glove every year. you saw him climb the center field wall in Cleveland last week to rob the tribe of a homer... he just gets better and better every year

 

[dougplayer]

captobvious.. I think you are still sour about losing Jhonny P. that hot dog at SS you have now is not the team player Jhonny is...

I would be worried if I was a buckeye fan. it must be obvious to you capt...that Urban Meyer is going to bring that program down.
you saw how he let Miami just recruit any player they could get. his handling of AAron Hernandez is a perfect example. no control. he let him run amok down there. iam sure they with top tatoogate down there this year.

 

[MiamiVice]

CaptObviouse... CaptoIsFecal... Cant wait to see the next name he dedicates to me

Only one was me moron... I will let you figure out which one.

 

[MiamiVice]

Ok, let me say I apologize for thinking a guy 5'11 275 pounds could possibly be more likely to run out of gas sooner than someone 6'2 200... I mean in real life that doesn't happen right? So why would it happen in baseball, quick, name me someone 5'11 275 who played well into their 30's? Why not use Cecil Fielder? Up until age 32 he hit at least 28 home runs every year he was a Tiger, he was out of baseball at age 35 and he was 6'3 230 or so for most of his career. Can't wait to hear the excuses.

HOMER? I have seen your moronic posts on CBS for quite some time, you are an instigating prick in nearly every post I have ever read of yours

Wanting the Tigers to fail all I want? Thank you, even though I said I hope Verlander stayed healthy, yeah you aren't an idiot. Until I met people like you I rooted for the Tigers but reading your insane bullshit has made me root against them...

Ok.. I am going to help you out here and show you the definition of homer... a homer is a person that only looks at his team in a good light.. never looks objectively at them.. and has no grasp of reality when thinking about his team. Now that we got that out of the way... What post of mine shows these tendencies? Please.. quote it.. as for Fielder.. still waiting on stats that show a guy with his body style has less of a chance at a long career...

 

[Nosferatu]

Ok.. I am going to help you out here and show you the definition of homer...

You are too stupid to show anyone anything about anything.... thanks for trying...

as for Fielder.. still waiting on stats that show a guy with his body style has less of a chance at a long career...

When you learn to read get back to me...

 

[MiamiVice]

Gotta love people that think they can predict how long a guy like Fielder or Miggy will play... do I think Miggy is hitting .350 at the age of 40? No... Do I think the odds say he is still around at 37-40 performing at an above average clip... I wouldn't bet against it. Most top flight MLBers make until 35-40... Look at Giambi, Thome, Frank Thomas, Fred McGriff, Manny Ramirez, just to name a few LARGE men that lasted well into the late thirties or forties...

 

[dougplayer]

nosfer..tell us how you think a lead off man should carry a team?

or tells us of any lead off man in the history of the game carrieda team.. I like to hear it