AL Central Smack Talk

[MiamiVice]

Sure, in that sense I guess he has but he had a stretch where he faced the Sox a lot as well.

I'm looking for more flashes where he puts up a great era for a long stretch. Like you have said Archer probably wont hold up completely but 102 innigns of a 2.81 is showing something.

Obviously Archer and Cigrani still havnt even gone a full year so there is a alot to prove.

Parker is on his second full year of putting up very nice numbers though.

Rick while he can bundle some QS together he still has that ugly ERA.

However it is dropping a consistent rate the last few years though. Still a long ways from the 3.5 prediction.

Look.. I agree with you.. his numbers are not all star at this point.. but what I am trying to say is he will not be a #5 forever... and will most likely have much better numbers moving forward.. he is not in his prime.. and is not a strikeout pitcher.. there are not a lot of pitchers that flourish at a young age if they are not a strike out pitcher... but there are a lot that flourish once they learn how to use the corners, move around the strike zone... and use their pitches in the right situations...

 

[broncosmitty]

I'm completely fine with people not agreeing with me. At the end these are still opinions.

But when I am giving my opinion and there are numbers that support me not thinking hes good I dont like when im told "I clearly don't know pitching"(even if Bronco meant no offense) or "Dougy is a better one to ask) or someone the fact the twins pitching sucking actualy has to do with my opinion of Porcello.

If Vice thinks Rick will be good in the future that is his opinion. Its what makes this thread fun, over the years we can see whose views hold up over time.

I just happen to think RIck is in a perfect situation. Durable and has a team that can back him up. So he can get a lot of wins that you want out of a 5th starter.

I was talking shit hockey. That's about all that was. I have about six pages to read now, so maybe I should have just said "I respectfully disagree". But I can't really do that on here, cleeves would be disappointed in me.

 

[Nosferatu]

so maybe I should have just said "I respectfully disagree". But I can't really do that on here, cleeves would be disappointed in me.

This is why I like smitty!!! Good shit buddy...

 

[Nosferatu]

I honestly have no issue with you and nosfer.. you guys are entertaining to discuss stuff with.. and you getting all worked up and crying about our posts is funny... seriously.. you guys rarely if ever have a good word to say about anything Det

Thats bullshit, I have stated many times I like Cabrera, I even like JV and obviously I still like Torii and I have always liked Prince. I honestly have never heard or read you say even ONE kind thing about the Twins or it's players.

 

[burfboy]

Are guys getting your stuff from Quest?....

 

[Nosferatu]

Are guys getting your stuff from Quest?....

No that's dougie, seperated at birth...

 

[mr.hockey4242]

I'd rather have Dougy than Quest.

With quest you say one negative thing about the twins and are labeled a Tigers fan for life. No conversing with him.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

If you look up Porcello's first 170 innings.. all as a starter I would like to remind you.. his numbers are actually comparable.. and he was 20.... Smyly as a starter had an era of over 4 and and a whip of 1.3.... and he was 23...

Actually -- they aren't comparable.

Smyly has a 3.27 ERA and 1.16 WHIP, while Porcello has a 3.96 and 1.34 WHIP

Porcello gave up 30 more hits, 7 more homeruns, walked 4 more batters, while striking out SEVENTY SIX fewer batters. Smyly BAA is .235, Porcello's was .267 (which bumped up to .288 in year 2, .292 in year 3 and topped out at .310 in year 4, before dropping to .278 this year)

And Smyly was 22 when he first entered the starting rotation for the Tigers. He turned 23 during the year.

That is why I asked how Smyly is overrated, yet you think Porcello has a high ceiling.

 

[MiamiVice]

I'd rather have Dougy than Quest.

With quest you say one negative thing about the twins and are labeled a Tigers fan for life. No conversing with him.

I haven't seen quest since may... does he come here?

 

[MiamiVice]

Actually -- they aren't comparable.

Smyly has a 3.27 ERA and 1.16 WHIP, while Porcello has a 3.96 and 1.34 WHIP

Porcello gave up 30 more hits, 7 more homeruns, walked 4 more batters, while striking out SEVENTY SIX fewer batters. Smyly BAA is .235, Porcello's was .267 (which bumped up to .288 in year 2, .292 in year 3 and topped out at .310 in year 4, before dropping to .278 this year)

And Smyly was 22 when he first entered the starting rotation for the Tigers. He turned 23 during the year.

That is why I asked how Smyly is overrated, yet you think Porcello has a high ceiling.

Bro.. you are not using smyly's numbers as a starter.. pitching out of the pen is much different man.. smyly's numbers were over 4 era as a starter

 

[MiamiVice]

Heck.. lately Smyly has only been pitching to lefties.. that screws it even more.. use smyly's stats as a starter.. and they are actually about the same as porcellos.. and porcello was 20... i could care less what smyly's stats are out of the pen.. wade davis and hochevar are shit starters but pitch well out of the pen.

 

[MiamiVice]

LOL infante doing his miggy impersonation

 

[mr.hockey4242]

I haven't seen quest since may... does he come here?

Nope he hasn't made his way here. Just had the occasional encounter on game tracker. But I barely go on there so it's few and far between listening to that idiot babble.

 

[MiamiVice]

I think the quests and the dougs of the world make these boards more fun...

 

[da55bums]

Porcello will have his era in the low 4's by the end of this season.. maybe even high 3's... you are thinking to shorted sited on him and are forgetting his age his body is not even in its prime yet. It makes me laugh when people say he is done developing.. He has 59 wins.. and is 24... he is the type of pitcher that can pitch long into his 30's or 40's because he relies on accuracy and contact and not power... he could easily have 15 more yrs in him... and win 250+ games in his career.

250+ wins in his career, for Porcello....again, just can't make this stuff up.......Guthrie should get to 200 then...

 

[da55bums]

trust me.. da55bums is more of a threat to this thread than that weirdo tygerphan...

coming from you, I will definately take that as a compliment...thank you.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Bro.. you are not using smyly's numbers as a starter.. pitching out of the pen is much different man.. smyly's numbers were over 4 era as a starter

It still doesn't matter if you only used his innings as a starting pitcher. Smyly WHIP is still much lower and averaged almost a strikeout an inning. As a matter of fact -- Smyly actually struck out more hitters than Porcello (94-89), even though Porcello pitched 70 innings more than him.

Also -- Smyly's BAA was 25 points lower and that was Porcello career best in that stat his rookie year. As I just got done saying -- Porcello BAA went from .267 to .288 to .292 to .310 last year. If you are a contact pitcher -- you aren't going to be very good if you are giving up hits like that.

That is why I have asked why Smyly is overrated, yet you think Porcello and his career 1.40 WHIP and .288 BAA has a high ceiling. It makes no sense at all.

 

[da55bums]

Porcellos career year will be the year he actually makes it under 4 for an ERA....John Danks has a better chance...by the way 250 wins would be very close numbers to get in the HOF...so its actually being said that Porcello is HOF material?

Just great...who would have thought..

 

[mr.hockey4242]

250+ wins in his career, for Porcello....again, just can't make this stuff up.......Guthrie should get to 200 then...

I try to leave you and vice to each other but wasn't Guthrie like mid 20s when he started his career? I think porcello is already close to guthries career wins.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

I think the quests and the dougs of the world make these boards more fun...

Agreed. Quest is annoying but when his conspiracy stories get rolling its entertaining. Along with his references to his job as a pizza man lol