aj mccarron

[Stymietee]

History is not on AJs side. Aside from Namath and Bart Starr, no Alabama QB has really seen much success in the NFL. Also not on his side is that he's backing up and having to learn from a team that doesn't have a really good QB to learn from. Another thing not on his side is that he has been in the league since 2014 and has only played in 2015. I don't know how we can value someone's worth on 3 starts, unless you are valuing him on his preseason play which isn't fair either way for him because he's playing with the 2nd string team who are obviously not as good as the first string team he's be playing with on Sundays. I don't get the hype, I don't get the want for the guy unless you are a team like the Jets or 49ers or someone like that.

Valuing someone's worth on three starts is a whole lot better than doing so without any experience at all as is done yearly in the NFL draft. Beyond that, interviewing coaches and players who work with them is another tool used to evaluate as is making comparisons to former and current players in terms of style, approach to the game, management style, fit into an offensive system and measurable tools.

Now in as much as history is concerned, those stats can be used to justify almost anything. However since you want to use a historical stat consider this list....Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, and Tom Brady. They all didn't win the starting jobs on their respective teams but went on to win Super bowls. BTW: 6 SEC QB's Have won SB's.

Then there's this....
Top 15 Backup Quarterbacks who Became Legends
www.thesportster.com/.../top-15-backup-quarterbacks-who-became-legends

A pretty impressive list huh? We can do this all day and night without changing our perspective, so I'd rather not. Instead I'll just reiterate the original question (challenge) that was and has been presented during this whole Cousins mess.

Who can (we) this team reasonably get without the cost in moving up in the draft or without taking several steps back to replace Kirk Cousins if he walks?

 

[Stymietee]

I think my list read more like this:

1. Inability to beat incumbent starter

2. Less than a quarter of a years worth of starts, close to no experience.

Just for the record I would bet there are more top QBs if not QBs in general from the Big 10 compared to the SEC. I have brought this up many times. Lets just start with Brady and Brees.

1. Inability to beat incumbent starter....For whatever reasons, Like Kirk Cousins.

2. Less than a quarter of a years worth of starts, close to no experience. Again Like Kirk Cousins

 

[Sportster 72]

1. Inability to beat incumbent starter....For whatever reasons, Like Kirk Cousins.

2. Less than a quarter of a years worth of starts, close to no experience. Again Like Kirk Cousins

Sty you are smarter than that.

1. Cousins did start some but we all know Griffin was Snyder's golden boy not to mention they gave up 4 picks for him.

2. Cousins started 9 games not including all but one series against Jacksonville, attempted over 400 passes and threw for over 3,000 yards before becoming the starter.

2a. McCarron has started 3 games, attempted 119 passes and through for 854 yards so NOT like Cousins.

Your comparison is bogus. If and I think this is what you are saying is if Cousin's is gone then McCarron is a possible replacement. I won't argue for or against that point. If Cousin's leaves they are going to need some sort of plan.

I believe Tyrod Taylor was suggested by ehb. I wouldn't want him instead but he could be a possibility IF Cousin's leaves. I do not believe it is a foregone conclusion he will be gone.

 

[Stymietee]

Sty you are smarter than that.

1. Cousins did start some but we all know Griffin was Snyder's golden boy not to mention they gave up 4 picks for him.

2. Cousins started 9 games not including all but one series against Jacksonville, attempted over 400 passes and threw for over 3,000 yards before becoming the starter.

2a. McCarron has started 3 games, attempted 119 passes and through for 854 yards so NOT like Cousins.

Your comparison is bogus. If and I think this is what you are saying is if Cousin's is gone then McCarron is a possible replacement. I won't argue for or against that point. If Cousin's leaves they are going to need some sort of plan.

I believe Tyrod Taylor was suggested by ehb. I wouldn't want him instead but he could be a possibility IF Cousin's leaves. I do not believe it is a foregone conclusion he will be gone.

The challenge was to NAME a replacement if Kirk is no longer here, let's not lose sight of that. All the other comparisons to justify why we shouldn't get this guy is subjective to the poster's point of view, as is my perspective that right now he's a better fit in this offense than Kirk is.. I really don't care what's said about or against the guy. The challenge was to put a name out there and I did just that!!

 

[Sharkinva]

Actually I think the challenge was... find a replacement for Cousins who is as good as or better. The concept that McCarron is that guy is pure conjecture.

If the question was simply, find a replacement.. well fuck it lets just sign Dean to play QB.

 

[Stymietee]

Actually I think the challenge was... find a replacement for Cousins who is as good as or better. The concept that McCarron is that guy is pure conjecture.

If the question was simply, find a replacement.. well fuck it lets just sign Dean to play QB.

The concept that McCarron is NOT is also pure conjecture!!

You all can disagree if that is your choice, but I'm telling you all, right now he's a better fit in this offense than Kirk.....

 

[skinsdad62]

the only thing i am going to say is stymie was basically the only one to put a name or names out there . the rest tap danced into oblivion

and he takes the fire too , the rest again have a chastity belt on their sacks

 

[gkekoa]

the only thing i am going to say is stymie was basically the only one to put a name or names out there . the rest tap danced into oblivion

and he takes the fire too , the rest again have a chastity belt on their sacks

And it is a decent name to put out there. He openly admits it is conjecture and he believes McCarron is a better fit. We can disagree with him; however, he at least backs it up intelligently.

 

[Sportster 72]

Agree that Sty is one of the few (I referenced ehb and his choice of Ty Taylor) that put a name out there.

I disagree that McCarron is a better fit in this offense than Cousin's is. Back that up with some fact.

McCarron among top NFL QBs who could change teams in 2017

 

[gkekoa]

Agree that Sty is one of the few (I referenced ehb and his choice of Ty Taylor) that put a name out there.

I disagree that McCarron is a better fit in this offense than Cousin's is. Back that up with some fact.

McCarron among top NFL QBs who could change teams in 2017

It is total speculation because there is no proof that either is a better fit. KC just has experience in this exact offense and has done well. That isn't proof though.

 

[ehb5]

OK, maybe this will give you a different perspective. During one of the many Kirk Cousins threads, a question was raised concerning who to replace him with IN THE EVENT THAT Kirk was NO LONGER HERE. I cannot recall any other response beyond the one that I gave....A.J. McCarron who matches up well with Kirk in terms of stature, approach to the game and management skills. He also brings a more impressive pedigree than Kirk, having played in the tough SEC and National Championship games.. professionally, he's shown well when the opportunities were there and has NFL playoff experience. He's smart and protects the ball.

On the other side, the only arguments against that I've read anywhere are:

1. He can't start over Dalton (something that Kirk also couldn't do when the choice was that other guy)

2. He's NOT Kirk Cousins (a really silly argument considering the question)

3. He cost too much ( another silly argument considering that is exactly why the question ever came up)

4. OH YEAH.....The BIG one....HE'S NOT KIRK COUSINS

For the record, I still haven't taken the bait, just answering a very specific question on a subject that I'm very well informed about.

How is this a silly argument? He simply will cost a ton for what is a very high risk (and probably not high reward) move.

 

[ehb5]

Valuing someone's worth on three starts is a whole lot better than doing so without any experience at all as is done yearly in the NFL draft. Beyond that, interviewing coaches and players who work with them is another tool used to evaluate as is making comparisons to former and current players in terms of style, approach to the game, management style, fit into an offensive system and measurable tools.

Now in as much as history is concerned, those stats can be used to justify almost anything. However since you want to use a historical stat consider this list....Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, and Tom Brady. They all didn't win the starting jobs on their respective teams but went on to win Super bowls. BTW: 6 SEC QB's Have won SB's.

Then there's this....
Top 15 Backup Quarterbacks who Became Legends
www.thesportster.com/.../top-15-backup-quarterbacks-who-became-legends

A pretty impressive list huh? We can do this all day and night without changing our perspective, so I'd rather not. Instead I'll just reiterate the original question (challenge) that was and has been presented during this whole Cousins mess.

Who can (we) this team reasonably get without the cost in moving up in the draft or without taking several steps back to replace Kirk Cousins if he walks?

Preferable to McCarron? Literally anybody we draft in the first 5 rounds of the draft.

 

[ehb5]

1. Inability to beat incumbent starter....For whatever reasons, Like Kirk Cousins.

2. Less than a quarter of a years worth of starts, close to no experience. Again Like Kirk Cousins

And Cousins was a MASSIVE long shot that worked out. Saying "x outlier did it", is not a good argument

 

[ehb5]

The concept that McCarron is NOT is also pure conjecture!!

You all can disagree if that is your choice, but I'm telling you all, right now he's a better fit in this offense than Kirk.....

The concept that dean wouldnt be a better QB is also pure conjecture. Doesnt mean it wouldnt be stupid to make him our QB.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

the only thing i am going to say is stymie was basically the only one to put a name or names out there . the rest tap danced into oblivion

and he takes the fire too , the rest again have a chastity belt on their sacks

i said sudfeld

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

The concept that McCarron is NOT is also pure conjecture!!

You all can disagree if that is your choice, but I'm telling you all, right now he's a better fit in this offense than Kirk.....

if kirk does not fit this system thats grudens fault not to build a system for kirk and this is the problem alot of coachs have system was built for manning system was buil for brady system was built for rogers

 

[Sportster 72]

And Cousins was a MASSIVE long shot that worked out. Saying "x outlier did it", is not a good argument

From the time he was drafted I thought Cousins was an insurance policy against Griffin not working out. I remember so many people saying "that is a wasted pick." I never thought so. Cousin's being drafted in the same draft as Griffin told me the Shanahan's were not comfortable with Griffin.

 

[skinsdad62]

KC was made for this system . i dont know where we get that he isnt

 

[skinsdad62]

i said sudfeld

have to give props to coach too . he puts his out there all the time