Active Hall of Famers

[Guy Incognito]

??? A career .312/.425/.534 line in a non-offensive dominated era with arguably adequate defense and he's on the outside looking in?

I think he's close, but here's a list of 1B with a lower WAR7 who didn't win a home run or batting title and got voted in by the BBWAA.

Tony Perez.

And he's about 150 HR behind Tony. And I know that HR is not an ideal metric to base HOF credentials on, but this is the BBWAA we're talking about here.

 

[Omar 382]

I think he's close, but here's a list of 1B with a lower WAR7 who didn't win a home run or batting title and got voted in by the BBWAA.

Tony Perez.

And he's about 150 HR behind Tony. And I know that HR is not an ideal metric to base HOF credentials on, but this is the BBWAA we're talking about here.

I guess we're distinguishing between should be in and will be in. I think he definitely should and probably will, but I guess you're right in that I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't.

 

[Omar 382]

Tony Perez makes me angry because I think of how he got in over Dick Allen and it makes me want to time-travel and start Civil Rights 40 years earlier so Allen wouldn't be such a dick (sigh) when people were such assholes to him

 

[StanMarsh51]

Average WAR7 among HOF 1B: 42.5

Joey Votto WAR7: 41.4

And whenever you have the average among Hall of Famers at a position, you have outliers like Lou Gehrig (67.7), Albert Pujols (61.6), and Jimmie Foxx (59.4). Votto is none of those guys, but he is a HOF'er in my books.

My guess is that he's gonna end up with a career a little better than a guy like Lance Berkman (.300 avg, 350ish HR, 145ish OPS+), which falls a bit short of the HOF for a non-premium position.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Average WAR7 among HOF 1B: 42.5

Joey Votto WAR7: 41.4

And whenever you have the average among Hall of Famers at a position, you have outliers like Lou Gehrig (67.7), Albert Pujols (61.6), and Jimmie Foxx (59.4). Votto is none of those guys, but he is a HOF'er in my books.

Worth noting that this list includes some guy called High Pockets Kelly and another dude who got in because he was part of a dumb poem.

 

[Omar 382]

My guess is that he's gonna end up with a career a little better than a guy like Lance Berkman (.300 avg, 350ish HR, 145ish OPS+), which falls a bit short of the HOF for a non-premium position.

That depends how this era is viewed. If 2000-2020 is viewed as the "steroid-free" era marked with the resurgence of the power pitcher, those numbers, same as Berkman, will be viewed differently because of the different eras; namely, steroids.

 

[Omar 382]

Worth noting that this list includes some guy called High Pockets Kelly and another dude who got in because he was part of a dumb poem.

Don't you talk trash on my Frankie!

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Trout is a stone cold lock

 

[Tharvot]

the shoe ins:
Ichiro Suzuki
Albert Pujols
Miguel Cabrera

The should be shoe in but STEROIDS
Alex Rodriguez

The SHOULD make it in
Adrian Beltre

The Not yet 10 seasons but Might be HOF already
Clayton Kershaw
Mike Trout

the rest are borderline IMO

Beltre's current stats:

2926 hits, 443 hr, .286 batting average

Pretty likely he gets above the 3,000 hit barrier before he's done. Unlikely he's gonna get to the 500 HR mark unless he plays 3-4 more seasons and since he's 37, I don't think that'll happen...though he doesn't seem to age so maybe.

Toss in the 4 gold gloves he's won and being a 4-time all-star and I think he makes the Hall if he gets above the 3k hit mark.

 

[Omar 382]

Beltre's current stats:

2926 hits, 443 hr, .286 batting average

Pretty likely he gets above the 3,000 hit barrier before he's done. Unlikely he's gonna get to the 500 HR mark unless he plays 3-4 more seasons and since he's 37, I don't think that'll happen...though he doesn't seem to age so maybe.

Toss in the 4 gold gloves he's won and being a 4-time all-star and I think he makes the Hall if he gets above the 3k hit mark.

And you just listed none of the reasons Beltre should be in the HOF

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Beltre's current stats:

2926 hits, 443 hr, .286 batting average

Pretty likely he gets above the 3,000 hit barrier before he's done. Unlikely he's gonna get to the 500 HR mark unless he plays 3-4 more seasons and since he's 37, I don't think that'll happen...though he doesn't seem to age so maybe.

Toss in the 4 gold gloves he's won and being a 4-time all-star and I think he makes the Hall if he gets above the 3k hit mark.

I don't question whether he will make it... I think he will, and he will deserve it... But lets not pretend he is making it for his offense...

He will make it because he is the second best defensive 3B of all time, and his offense wasn't bad enough to NOT get him in... And he was able(or will be able) to compile his counting stats to at least one milestone...


But if he wasn't the 2nd best defensive 3B, then he would be no better than Sal Bando... and certainly worse than Dick Allen...

 

[Tharvot]

And you just listed none of the reasons Beltre should be in the HOF

I don't question whether he will make it... I think he will, and he will deserve it... But lets not pretend he is making it for his offense...

He will make it because he is the second best defensive 3B of all time, and his offense wasn't bad enough to NOT get him in... And he was able(or will be able) to compile his counting stats to at least one milestone...


But if he wasn't the 2nd best defensive 3B, then he would be no better than Sal Bando... and certainly worse than Dick Allen...

3,000 hits is kind of the soft target for batters' HOF qualifications, as is 500 HR, which is why I listed them. He's a well above average offensive player but his numbers offensively are borderline to below HOF worthy.

His longevity helps his case and certainly his status as an elite defensive player should get him in.

 

[HammerDown]

Has Lance Armst... errrr I mean Albert Pujols gotten busted yet?

 

[navamind]

McCutchen was (still might be) on a HOF track until his abysmal 2016 season (95 OPS+, 0.5 WAR (or -1 if you go by BR)). Even including it, he still has a career line of .292/.381/.486 line with a 138 OPS+ and 40.7 WAR in only 8 seasons. He has an MVP under his belt and three other top 5 finishes. He turns 30 in October.

Longoria has ~46 WAR under his belt and after a few meh seasons (2014/15), he's rebounded with a pretty strong 2016 campaign (125 OPS+ and 32 home runs, 4.4 WAR). He's got strong batting stats (.271/.345/.489 and 128 OPS+ at 3B) and is regarded as one of the best defensive 3B of his era (metrics and eye test, several Gold Gloves to his credit). He's only got five seasons with MVP votes and has never finished higher than sixth though, and not a lot of people think of him as a potential HOFer right now. Postseason stats are meh (.191/.262/.470), but he played a big role in the Rays' WS run (.262/.340/.762 with 3 doubles, 6 home runs and 11 RBI between the ALDS/ALCS). He turns 31 next month.

 

[navamind]

Tulo's firmly in Nomar/Mattingly territory right now.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Tulo's firmly in Nomar/Mattingly territory right now.

How so?? both Mattingly and Nomar are significantly ahead of Tulo IMO... Don't forget the Colorado affect!!!

 

[broncosmitty]

Tulo won't stay healthy enough to reach any milestone numbers.

 

[JohnU]

The problem with pitchers is that the current way they are used doesn't let them get anything but "quality starts". Nobody believes in W-L now and ERA is about all there is. A pitcher getting 250 innings now is a workhorse.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Id rather see the most deserving players get in prior to more modern. That goes for Edgar over Papi more than anything for me. But I view Ortiz as a deserving candidate.

Raines is definitely overdue.

Don't get me started on Tram.... Lol. (He sat in on the local pregame show. He's still as smooth of a guy as he was a player.)

Sure, and if Grich and Whitaker get in on that Modern Ballot they would be in before him. And they'll get at least two cracks at it with the Veterans Committee before Utley gets his first year on the BBWAA ballot

 

[navamind]

How so?? both Mattingly and Nomar are significantly ahead of Tulo IMO... Don't forget the Colorado affect!!!

Tulo's career stats are on par with Nomar's.

Tulo: .295/.365/.503, 120 OPS+, 216 HR, 745 RBI (100 per 162), 43.4 WAR in 5071 PA (6.1 per 162)
Nomar: .313/.361/.521, 124 OPS+, 229 HR, 936 RBI (106 per 162), 44.3 WAR in 6116 PA (5.2 per 162)

While it's true that Tulo played most of his games at Coors, his OPS+ is only a few points below Nomar's. Tulo's road stats would still make him a good offensive SS, especially with his glove. Tulo was a much better defender than Nomar was IMO.

Nomar does have a slightly better prime, but almost all of Nomar's career value came from his six all-star seasons. Tulo's still playing pretty well.

The problem for Tulo is that in some of his biggest years, he missed a decent chunk of time (especially in 2014 when he played only 91 games, but still managed 5+ WAR).