Active Hall of Famers

[navamind]

Ortiz is a very unique case. Career .286/.380/.551 hitter with a 141 OPS+. He's hit .290/.386/.570 (148 OPS+) with the Sox. Hard to ignore his very pedestrian stats with the Twins. Not to mention his career OPS+ is below the likes of Thome, Edgar, Bagwell and Berkman. Going by BB-Ref, he has 54.9 WAR. Fangraphs has him at 50.0. Ortiz does have a strong narrative that will get him votes, playing a pivotal role in the Sox breaking an 86 year drought and winning three titles in a decade. He's hit .295/.409/.553 with 40 extra base hits (17 HR) in 357 postseason plate appearances. That's more than half a season's worth of PA.

I don't think I'd put him in my personal HOF and I consider Edgar the better hitter, especially factoring in his performance at 3B before the hammy injury. But I don't think he's a terribly weak selection either. I'd much rather have him in there than, say, Jim Rice.

 

[navamind]

Votto could go down as one of the greatest hitters of all-time. Career .311/.424/.533 hitter and he has a 156 OPS+. He does have an MVP award under his belt. His .424 OBP ranks 13th all-time and his OPS+ ranks 21st. He's got around 46 WAR, but he did just turn 33. Definitely needs a few more All-Star caliber years under his belt and he's unusually loathed by his own team's fan base/media.

 

[obxyankeefan]

If Pedroia can stay productive for another 5-6 years, he could have a decent case. Either WAR you look at, he's got 46+ to his credit (HOF borderline is about 60). He's a career .302/.367/.446 (117 wRC+) hitter at a position that isn't known for offense historically. Not to mention Pedroia rates as an excellent 2B, whether you go by Gold Gloves (4x), defensive metrics (UZR/DRS), or the eye test. Pedroia's having an excellent year right now (5+ WAR and hitting .332/.392/.466), but he is 33 years old at a position that isn't known for guys aging well.

HOF or not though, he could go down as the best Sox 2B of all-time.

Bobby Doerr says hi. Though I do have to admit it has been a while since I looked at his stats.

The Little Midget was one I was thinking about when I wrote that book earlier and forgot to mention him. He was right there with Cano for a long time until the injuries sidetracked his career. But he has had a great bounce back season and another one or two like it he should be discussed.

 

[navamind]

Bobby Doerr says hi. Though I do have to admit it has been a while since I looked at his stats.

The Little Midget was one I was thinking about when I wrote that book earlier and forgot to mention him. He was right there with Cano for a long time until the injuries sidetracked his career. But he has had a great bounce back season and another one or two like it he should be discussed.

Red Sox career leaders at 2B

Pedroia ranks 9th among Sox position players in WAR. There's a chance he can pass Ortiz (47.8), Rice (50.8), Doerr (53.3) and Speaker (54.4; he played only 1065 games in Boston). Speaker was pretty damn good.

 

[obxyankeefan]

Red Sox career leaders at 2B

Pedroia ranks 9th among Sox position players in WAR. There's a chance he can pass Ortiz (47.8), Rice (50.8), Doerr (53.3) and Speaker (54.4; he played only 1065 games in Boston). Speaker was pretty damn good.

Looking over that list brings back some memories of the 70s and 80s.

 

[navamind]

Looking over that list brings back some memories of the 70s and 80s.

Jody Reed was a pretty good player for a guy named Jody.





Can't say I miss the Jose Offerman era at 2B.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Ortiz is a very unique case. Career .286/.380/.551 hitter with a 141 OPS+. He's hit .290/.386/.570 (148 OPS+) with the Sox. Hard to ignore his very pedestrian stats with the Twins. Not to mention his career OPS+ is below the likes of Thome, Edgar, Bagwell and Berkman. Going by BB-Ref, he has 54.9 WAR. Fangraphs has him at 50.0. Ortiz does have a strong narrative that will get him votes, playing a pivotal role in the Sox breaking an 86 year drought and winning three titles in a decade. He's hit .295/.409/.553 with 40 extra base hits (17 HR) in 357 postseason plate appearances. That's more than half a season's worth of PA.

I don't think I'd put him in my personal HOF and I consider Edgar the better hitter, especially factoring in his performance at 3B before the hammy injury. But I don't think he's a terribly weak selection either. I'd much rather have him in there than, say, Jim Rice.

Great to hear this from a red sox fan...

But you KNOW he will win the MVP this season, just because it is his final season and he is SEMI close...

 

[navamind]

Great to hear this from a red sox fan...

But you KNOW he will win the MVP this season, just because it is his final season and he is SEMI close...

I don't see it. Even if the voters decide to shun Trout again, if any Sox player is going to win it, it'll be Betts.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Great to hear this from a red sox fan...

But you KNOW he will win the MVP this season, just because it is his final season and he is SEMI close...

I seriously doubt that. I think if the season ended now, Betts would win.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Red Sox career leaders at 2B

Pedroia ranks 9th among Sox position players in WAR. There's a chance he can pass Ortiz (47.8), Rice (50.8), Doerr (53.3) and Speaker (54.4; he played only 1065 games in Boston). Speaker was pretty damn good.

Hall of Stats ranks Pedroia as the 12th greatest player in franchise history (behind Williams, Yaz, Clemens, Boggs, Cy Young, Evans, Pedro, Speaker, Doerr, Grove, and Fisk). His Hall Rating is 89, just 9 points behind Doerr. I think he will eventually pass him.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Utley shouldn't be a HOFer.

Unless second baseman who are better and aren't in, get in first.

Beltran isn't an HOFer to me either. But he's well ahead of Utley in my book.

Mauer, no.

Kershaw is the only current pitcher I see getting in. Two years ago I would've thought King Felix was. Not now. KRod would have to find his power arm again in order to stay a closer for 4-5 more years. Great career, one of many closers from the modern era who I don't see as HOFers.

Hamels is not worthy, to me. Neither is JV. ERA is already too high. Don't see him getting the Win totals to cancel it out.

I doubt Posey stays a catcher long enough. Just like Mauer. He could, but I think the odds are against him. Sal Perez could be, but he's a big fella with a lot of mileage already. Yadi has a shot.

Big Papi shouldn't get in before Edgar Martinez.

Cano, maybe. Depends on how long he can continue to be a solid hitter.

Pujols, Ichiro, Cabrera and Beltre are first ballot guys imo. And I'm pretty sure Trout will be. He'd have to fall apart physically and soon in order to not be.

ARod should be, but who knows what kind of hate will follow him.

Well I think Whitaker and Grich should be in too. So if we are basing it off who we think should get in, not judging based on past mistakes by the BBWAA, then I still say Utley should be in.

Thanks to the new Veterans Committee ballots, Whitaker and Grich (along with Trammell and Tiant) will be up next year.

My guess is Bagwell, Raines, and Hoffman get in this year, with Rodriguez and Guerrero just missing. And no one from the new "Today's Game" ballot gets in.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Really surprised how bad the HOF pitching options are...

Yeah here are the top 10 active pitchers as far as the Hall of Stats rating:
1. Kershaw
2. Sabathia
3. Greinke
4. King Felix
5. Hamels
6. Colon
7. Verlander
8. Peavy
9. Wainwright
10. Weaver

I would say there is one HOFer in there.

 

[romeo212000]

Votto could go down as one of the greatest hitters of all-time. Career .311/.424/.533 hitter and he has a 156 OPS+. He does have an MVP award under his belt. His .424 OBP ranks 13th all-time and his OPS+ ranks 21st. He's got around 46 WAR, but he did just turn 33. Definitely needs a few more All-Star caliber years under his belt and he's unusually loathed by his own team's fan base/media.

Didn't even think about votto, but that's a great point.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Votto could go down as one of the greatest hitters of all-time. Career .311/.424/.533 hitter and he has a 156 OPS+. He does have an MVP award under his belt. His .424 OBP ranks 13th all-time and his OPS+ ranks 21st. He's got around 46 WAR, but he did just turn 33. Definitely needs a few more All-Star caliber years under his belt and he's unusually loathed by his own team's fan base/media.

Very much agree, but what does hurt him is his position... If he played anywhere but first base I think he would have a much better chance... But with players like Jim Thome, Jason Giambi, Don Mattingly, Boog Powell, and others not making it, it may be hard for him too...

He is 19th all time for first baseman in WAR7

 

[Guy Incognito]

Very much agree, but what does hurt him is his position... If he played anywhere but first base I think he would have a much better chance... But with players like Jim Thome, Jason Giambi, Don Mattingly, Boog Powell, and others not making it, it may be hard for him too...

He is 19th all time for first baseman in WAR7

Votto's probably on the outside looking in at the Hall. One of the better hitters of his generation, but is heavily reliant on SABR stats that suggest that he's not quite a HOFer.

 

[Omar 382]

Votto's probably on the outside looking in at the Hall. One of the better hitters of his generation, but is heavily reliant on SABR stats that suggest that he's not quite a HOFer.

??? A career .312/.425/.534 line in a non-offensive dominated era with arguably adequate defense and he's on the outside looking in?

 

[Omar 382]

Joey Votto's wRC+ of 156 among qualified hitters is 15th all time

 

[Omar 382]

Average WAR7 among HOF 1B: 42.5

Joey Votto WAR7: 41.4

And whenever you have the average among Hall of Famers at a position, you have outliers like Lou Gehrig (67.7), Albert Pujols (61.6), and Jimmie Foxx (59.4). Votto is none of those guys, but he is a HOF'er in my books.

 

[Omar 382]

I hope Utley makes it. He definitely should. I hope Rollins doesn't (well I hope he does, but I don't really think he should)

 

[broncosmitty]

Well I think Whitaker and Grich should be in too. So if we are basing it off who we think should get in, not judging based on past mistakes by the BBWAA, then I still say Utley should be in.

Thanks to the new Veterans Committee ballots, Whitaker and Grich (along with Trammell and Tiant) will be up next year.

My guess is Bagwell, Raines, and Hoffman get in this year, with Rodriguez and Guerrero just missing. And no one from the new "Today's Game" ballot gets in.

Id rather see the most deserving players get in prior to more modern. That goes for Edgar over Papi more than anything for me. But I view Ortiz as a deserving candidate.

Raines is definitely overdue.

Don't get me started on Tram.... Lol. (He sat in on the local pregame show. He's still as smooth of a guy as he was a player.)